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  1. I think we shouldn't remove his special for warging, it's a good one for him and may show an even bigger potential next season, I think like you said the character is now like this and leave it as such is the best option. -emilien.raggi
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  2. I think it may be fun to make that a general scoring booster for the sex category. And just +1 (+5) rather than the doubling. If we can think of one more additional couple that might incest, I'll add it for S8 and the rewatches. -nyan
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  3. It sort of seems like Bran being creepy is just how his character is now - I think this special would need to be more specific and/or have some qualifiers on it, else every line of his is creepy.

    Kind of would be okay with "reveals someone's secret" (which doesn't carry the importance requirements of the regular Secret category). Might remove his automatic "+special for instances of warging" in that case, because we're starting to count points for warging on top of everything that might happen during his warging.
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  4. I'm going to say no, but don't mind adding a special similar to Jaime: "+points when his lack of cock is used in combat situations" -nyan
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  5. I think we missed out on perhaps some secret Bran-Arya-Sansa meeting scene, or the "trial" could've been constructed in a way that the court gradually turned on Baelish. This is the breaking point for Baelish, but the court's minds seemed made up from the start. -nyan
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  6. The show-writer discussions should be considered non-canon, because it's not what they put on-screen and writers can change their minds about what to do with characters. There's no indication that there is anything immediately fatal about Ellaria's situation (unlike Tyene who was poisoned) - Cersei intends a long death for her that is probably beyond the timeline of the show's end, and we'll likely be seeing a power shift or several in King's Landing before it's all over so who knows, she might get freed or we might get a confirmation that she suicided, etc. -nyan
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  7. I don't think Bran was on the fence about doing this. -nyan
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  8. I think all of these lose out slightly as Cersei isn't ultimately convinced to make a deal at the end (thanks Jon Snow), but then were ultimately succeeded by Tyrion doing the final convincing in his meeting. -nyan
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  9. The Deals Brokered points were added for Tyrion/Jaime/Bronn. I'm unsure how/what to score for Jon, Daenerys, and Cersei, the "first parties" here in this discussion. Usually they are getting followers or armies out of the deal, but in this case it's only a truce. Perhaps if you can say that Jon is "leading" the fight against the Undead, he's successfully recruited two armies (the Targs and the Lannisters) to his cause?

    It may make sense to create a new Politics subcategory for "New Alliance", for future and rewatch seasons, but I'm hesitant to give that and mix up the scores at the last minute here.
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  10. Seems that I interpreted this scene completely wrong and that it's Cersei's decision that won out - he just won the bluff to leave and not be executed by Ser Gregor. -nyan
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  11. I can't find anything explicit for a new title. The wiki has some similar confusion:

    "It is confusing why, at the beginning of the episode, Bronn remarks on how pleasant it is when soldiers call him "my lord" now - as if this is a new development. He is still just a landless knight, but was knighted at the beginning of Season 3 (knights are sometimes generically addressed as "my lord"). Later with Tyrion, Bronn remarks on how he actually hasn't gotten the full reward he wanted, of a castle and a marriage to a noblewoman so he can join the ranks of the nobility. In the novels by this point, Bronn has actually already married Lollys Stokeworth - who was introduced in Season 5, only for the Lannisters to call off the betrothal because they still needed Bronn's help. It's unclear if there was supposed to be some sort of deleted scene in Season 7 explaining that he recently has been allowed to marry Lollys, which was then cut for time, or if this is purely meant to refer to his status as a knight. Bryan Cogman did mention in passing that there were more Bronn scenes intended for previous episodes this season that were cut for time, which seems to support this somewhat."

    So perhaps something did happen, but since they didn't get shown or mentioned explicitly I don't think we can count this.
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  12. A little cutesy, I think a better fit for this "warm, fuzzy moment" category. -nyan
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  13. I hadn't considered it as a threat to Jaime, but given their just-completed conversation it definitely has that tone. "I know you like our brother, but this is what will happen to people who cross me. Don't cross me." -nyan
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  14. Original submission by @hindsight44: "When speaking to Gregor pre metting she says kill Dany then Jon then after that kill anyone how he sees fit. then ends that brutal line with ".........come Ser Gregor lets meet our guests." It was so brutal Jaime was clearly shocked by it." -nyan
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  15. I considered this one but thought this was the epitome of plain-spoken insults. Theon didn't have an actual comeback to it, a better burn to shoot back to Euron, all he could muster was, "Euron, your dwarf joke "*wasn't even good*". I thought it was lame writing emblematic of S7, where GRRM surely would've given us a delightful diss at Euron. -nyan
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  16. They could simply return the Vale and rightfully serve little Robin Arryn. Littlefinger was simply a Lord Proctetorate for him. We'll wait to see some formal pledge of alliance to Sansa. I do think it's a bit of a show inconsistency how they sidelined Robin in these later seasons - he should've been an even more off-the-rockers version of Joffrey that all the Lords of Vale have to tiptoe around, even if they had decided to follow Baelish or their own plans in the background. -nyan
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  17. Pretty much everyone at Eastwatch sees it at the same time, so it's not a very exclusive group learning the information. It is more news than secret. -nyan
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  18. same teams -jessmell14
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  19. Hoduz -duzy957
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  20. Surely that is worth more points. Breaching the wall, c'mon. -miro.astore
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  21. Sweet. -alexanderjoelrose
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  22. Jon has the convince points here, I think it's more of that than Dany overruling everyone else. http://fantasora.com/event/3734 -nyan
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  23. I suppose it can count simply for an agreement on the surface level - she tells Team Targaryen what they wanted to hear, which she wasn't even willing to do prior to Tyrion's talk. There can be various shades of grey for not following through on a deal or even actively undermining it. -nyan
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  24. But would probably only count it as a betrayal - which in some way very often obviously is an executive decision. -Lem Lemoncake
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  25. Had the same impression as hindsight44. -Lem Lemoncake
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  26. Isn't Arya the villain Stark? I know that the series tries to make her somewhat sympathetic every now and then, that she is still the little Arya girl, but she actually went full blown egomaniac, sociopath and serial killer since she left King's Landing - which is even comprehensible considering her experiences and possible traumas. -Lem Lemoncake
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  27. Well, I guess this is dependent on which basis we are scoring: Do we score based on plot elements, which means, what we see and in the order we see it, or the story, which kind of includes everything before and after it and what happens in the background without direct telling. If Cersei's betrayal would be presented to us in the next episode, this would be a definite scoring event for Tyrion. Alternatively, you could introduce an interval and say, the convincing argument must not be falsified within the same scene/episode/5minutes/whatever. -Lem Lemoncake
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  28. I was going to suggest adding points for Jon as well for a convincing argument ? -Laxis
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  29. @derekjjjj, that's my bad, it's a random new category but because of the way I coded it, it shows up as a new column for each league. It doesn't count for any points and doesn't affect the results. -nyan
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  30. what this nonsense http://i.imgur.com/RDg5fPo.png -derekjjjj
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  31. Congrats Brian. Would have had a full sweep if it wasn't for that last episode -wynnch
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  32. Congrats, PiT -HerrWicked
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  33. The last two episodes were pretty meh. Bad writing. -HerrWicked
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  34. What was that you were saying? You had one thing right new champ! ME! I want to thank the little people! Especially tyrion for being my MVP! -korina.rangel
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  35. I suppose it can count, for Tyrion, Jaime, maybe even Bronn as the go-betweens. Despite Cersei not fulfilling her end which is a betrayal, it got things going on the northern side so the deal had some effect. -nyan
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  36. From the looks of it, definitely seemed like he was traveling alone in my opinion. But 1.5 years from now is a hell of a long time to wait for confirmation haha. -williamfmarr
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  37. There are surely more than 8 people in the castle? I guess that comes under non screen tho. -easson27
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  38. I think Jorah is beyond the regular friendzoning, and now that J+D is a thing we could add something explicitly for when they are being a couple/PDA in his presence? -nyan
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  39. Euron doesn't make an agreement with Daenerys though, only Cersei does. He lies, but I don't think there is any trust to betray. -nyan
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  40. I was originally under the impression that Jaime was still leading the armies, but on his own if he ends up going to Daenerys and making a pledge he'll be a follower. We'll have to see what happens in S8. -nyan
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  41. We'll leave it, and maybe she'll get a S8 mention or visit, or forever be a lost character like Syrio. -nyan
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  42. 3spoopy5me -nyan
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  43. Scoreboard. -andres.geurts
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  44. Extremely spoopy threat -alexanderdropkin
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  45. Arya to Sansa: I never could have survied whay you survived
    Sansa: you would have, you're the strongest person i know
    Arya: I believe thats the nicest thing you have ever said to me
    Sansa: well dont get used to it you're still very annoying and annoying
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  46. If you will give betrayal points to Cersei for her decision to not fight along with the North and the Targaryens, I think Euron deserve also betrayal points lying to everybody about going back to his Island when he is really bringing back the Golden Company -emilien.raggi
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  47. I dont think Cersei was ever convinced. We knew she had no intentions of ever keeping her word because she had Euron storm out to make her look weak 2 min into the conversation.Her plan from the beginning was to accept the offer and not go north. The only reason she didnt kill Tyrion was because if she killed him she couldnt accept the offer and have all of her enemies run away north. -hindsight44
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  48. Agree, Tyrion was not successful here, only helped Cersei to elaborate a new plan -emilien.raggi
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  49. Except Cersei lied? So its more like Tyrion fell for a betrayal, than that he won a victory. -andrewpost
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  50. Danys special is that her dragons contribute to her actions. If that wasnt her special she wouldnt get points -hindsight44
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  51. OK rules are rules. "He who passes the sentence should swing the sword" isn't the most clear justification for the rules, though. Arya did not pass the sentence. Conversely, Daenerys never swings the sword. Even though she has dragons(!), I don't remember her ever "doing the actual dirty work." -marr.virginia
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  52. Ooh, I'll have to rewatch and do some reading, but I think you're right since it's just Jaime trotting out alone. This could definitely count for Cersei then. -nyan
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  53. Yes, a time or location jump is needed to be considered a separate "scene" -nyan
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  54. Yeah that's definitely a good point that this line could've been dropped by anybody in the entourage, not really Jorah specific. -nyan
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  55. Jon should also get recognized for this -vjdev2015
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  56. They show the corpse a few times too right? or does it have to be an entirely different scene for the corpse to get points for being shown? -brandonthebigB
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  57. Also Jaime the person in charge of what rank Bronn is doesnt correct Bronn when he brings up he is a new lord he actually affirms it by saying, "you'll get used to it." -hindsight44
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  58. His subordinates were all calling him my lord. Which he jokes to Jaime is new to him. -hindsight44
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  59. But is it not a deal brokered? Jaime stayed true to the original deal. Band up, fight WW, then deal with each other after. -williamfmarr
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  60. Jaime isnt leadong her armies though, it was pretty clear he defected, he wasnt in any Lannister armor and was riding by himself. The reason he left was because Cersei overruled him. Also i think Cersei has to somehow, someway get betrayal points somewhere for this episode. She played everyone! -hindsight44
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  61. Along the lines of the band of 7 that went to bag a wight, it seems more like an alliance of equals. Jaime isn't taking orders from Daenerys or vice versa, but they're working together. -nyan
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  62. I have the executive decision to Jaime, since he's going to lead the armies north against her wishes. Cersei lost out politically when he called her bluff. -nyan
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  63. Hmm was it betrayal, or just her being petty? -nyan
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  64. His title is still just Ser Bronn of the Blackwater, right? He still hasn't gotten that castle or girl that Jaime promised. -nyan
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  65. I don't think we've quite counted both an executive and convincing argument for the same thing before. If Daenerys decided on a Plan C of her own, she'd get the points, but since she went for Jon's plan he got the convince. -nyan
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  66. I think we'll keep the criteria for "boss fight", which is the character being featured in a battle scene being a badass and/or owning the other extras. Not every draftable character will qualify to be a named/boss fight kill, we had this earlier with a few speculative draftable characters that ended up having extremely minor roles. -nyan
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  67. Oh right, totally missed that one! Adding. -nyan
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  68. Definitely, Littlefinger was always the most dangerous man in Westeros, I imagined his demise would see him get all the way to the pinnacle of power, and only then to get backstabbed by Sansa.

    I'd have a hard time writing a good S7 storyline for Littlefinger though. I think they put themselves into a corner by showing Sansa was through with him and saw everything. In my fantasy storyline, Sansa is the only Stark who sees a reedeming quality in Baelish, and goes along with his schemes against the better advice of all her family and followers. And then at the pinnacle do we find out that Sansa was the one playing an even longer game, and perhaps she can actually be as selfishly power-thirsty as Arya accuses her. It'd be awesome if we had one Stark who was questionably a villain, and not all goody-goodies.
    -nyan
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  69. @fatcatt316 the Kills scoring for S7 requires that "he who passes the sentence should swing the sword", so the ordered executions no longer count, only the person doing the actual dirty work.

    @marr.virginia the major decision is for characters having debates and one character winning over the other. I don't think the Stark kids debated over this one very much.
    -nyan
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  70. The manning face is victorious http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/207/210/b22.jpg -carsondgpotter
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  71. I'd be against adding that special. Both of them already have good ones, and that was Jamie and Cersei's *thing* in a way it isn't and likely will not become Dany and Jon's. -jedjackoway
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  72. And what happened to his lower body half? They burn his hand, dragonglass the upper body - but no one cares about the rest :O -Lem Lemoncake
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  73. Thought the same the instant it happened :D -Lem Lemoncake
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  74. Jon went Full Ned. -jedjackoway
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  75. Only 3 points to Sansa for orchestrating LF's execution? Is this not, at least, a "major decision?" -marr.virginia
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  76. Any chance of getting the incest special added, to replace Jamie and Cersei? :P -brandonthebigB
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  77. I noticed the "Captured Wight" was added as a draftable character. Would that not make him more significant / a named character? -kimbo
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  78. Only Cersei and Jaime get those for their special ability :o -Lem Lemoncake
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  79. Shouldn't we teeeeechnically get incest points? maybe? -williamfmarr
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  80. actually one of the series' most intriguing and concise analyses/critiques of the patriarchic order so far :o -Lem Lemoncake
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  81. ahem -alexanderdropkin
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  82. So would Dany get overruling points on Jorah? -williamfmarr
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  83. Why doesn't the Captured Wight get death points? -majoyce2
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  84. Why didn't Sansa get the points for Littlefinger getting executed? Arya says that it happened because of Sansa's order. -fatcatt316
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  85. I feel like they dragged his death on for so long - he was basically kept as a laying duck all season while we knew his demise was coming. He did practically nothing with the extra time he was given to live (all the failed whispering in Sansa's ear was so bad, I'd rather have LF killed off earlier than see him like that). Similar situation with Varys except they haven't built an entire plotline in a major location around his demise -hkeseyan
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  86. Yeah, for this it basically becomes a judgment call we can make. This fight happens on Dragonstone I believe, so Harrag isn't completely stranded. I also think that it's also not in Theon's character to straight up kill a guy just to take away his crew.

    The boss fight criteria isn't actually needed, since Harrag has a name so it'd count for full points either way.
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  87. Considering Tyrion killed both his parents in a sense this definitley has some wit to it. -hindsight44
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  88. Well I guess I was lucky! And my intentional picks were pretty good finally haha. So we're not doing money with this draft, just the other one?? -amymahar
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  89. Yeah, I think the ambiguity of whether or not he's alive is akin to Stannis' death in Season 5. We don't know for sure that he's dead after that initial scene, as we never technically see it, but his death was counted then for the same reason -jake.kmiech
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  90. meant to be e7 under secret discovery -hindsight44
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  91. Is anyone else upset with how LF went out? Until this season LF had the most unpredictable plans and was always smart enough to have someone else do the dirty work for him. This season his scheme was in your face and obvious. He always played 4 dimensional chess and this season it was 1 dimensional. Also say what you want about him but LF wouldnt beg for his life. He was willing to fight and die against Brandon Stark and also advised to risk everything because life is fleeting. I never really cared about how the show differs from the book as long as the characters stay the same. I really feel like this was a misrepresentation of LF. -hindsight44
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  92. Yeah i dont see how Harrag is surviving this. Also what about boss fight. Theon needed to beat him for his charcter arc to continue. Also As we all know a good boss fight requires a secret strategy/weapon to defeat the boss. The "let him kick me in the balls to throw him off" strategy is epic. -hindsight44
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  93. Season finale death rule? Leaving a minor character beaten senseless, ambiguously dead or alive, on a beach with no ship, food or water in a season finale -hkeseyan
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  94. Does this follow into the "would-be usurper"line? I thought that was a dorect insult. -hindsight44
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  95. I feellike this would be overkill. A Westerosi advisor with knowledge of a foreign land is far different than a Westerosi advisor with knowledge of Westeros. At this point hes justt doing his job. There is no wit or really anything discernable about a high born person in Westeroes knowing the history of Westroes. He is literally just doing his job and if Missandei was standing next to Tyrion/Varys/Davos/Jon/Dany they would have all been able to share the same information. Its the same principle that Wolkan isnt getting special points for delivering raven scrolls. Its what he is expected to do and until Jorah can do this in a way that makes this unique i dont think this is point worthy. -hindsight44
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  96. Sort of a diss at how Daenerys is simply feigning benevolence, and that she knows she's still after her crown at the end. -nyan
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  97. Thanks, that makes a lot of sense for how the evacuation played out. I counted just the people falling off the Wall as kills for the Night King: http://fantasora.com/event/3758 -nyan
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  98. Kill Log with screencaps: http://imgur.com/a/rMbwu -nyan
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  99. Raven count: http://i.imgur.com/Qk8cfn3.jpg -nyan
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  100. One boob. http://i.imgur.com/Q4NnVAU.jpg -nyan
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