Matchup: Michael Bolton > Ramsay Bolton vs The Many-Loss God for Ep 3

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Michael Bolton > Ramsay Bolton (bwsewell)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults
Eddard Stark The long-deceased head of House Stark. There are rumors that he may make a reappearance in flashback form for S6.	#37	20	20	0	0
Smalljon Umber The son of Greatjon Umber, heir to House Umber and bannerman to the Starks.	#104	19	10	3	6
Three-eyed raven A mysterious man who lives far north of the Wall with the Children of the Forest. He has been guiding Bran's dreams through the form of a three-eyed raven.	#65	0	0	0	0
Ellaria Sand The former paramour of Prince Oberyn. She is also the mother of several of his bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes, and plots revenge against the Lannisters for Oberyn's death.	#48	0	0	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, bannermen to the Lannisters. He defeated Prince Oberyn Martell in a trial by combat for Tyrion Lannister's role in King Joffrey's death, although he was gravely injured in the fight. He appears to have recovered (in some form) under Grand Maester Qyburn's care, and returns to serve as a member of the Kingsguard.	#9	0	0	0	0
Anya Waynwood Head of House Waynewood, bannermen to House Arryn.	#93	0	0	0	0
Tommen Baratheon The King of the Seven Kingdoms after the assassination of his brother, Joffrey Baratheon. He is young and highly impressionable to the various influences in King's Landing that seek to control him.	#20	0	0	0	0
Lem Lemoncloak A leader of a group of outlaws in the Riverlands.	#76	0	0	0	0
Totals		39	30	3	6

The Many-Loss God (dneanover)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Deaths
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#49	10	0	10
Kevan Lannister The younger brother of the late Tywin Lannister, Lord of Casterly Rock. Often underestimated as his brother's inferior, Kevan is one of the few in King's Landing who is not afraid to stand up against Cersei Lannister's schemes. With Cersei's imprisonment, he has returned to serve as Hand of the King to the young King Tommen Baratheon.	#64	3	3	0
High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	#21	3	3	0
Euron Greyjoy An uncle to Theon Greyjoy, Euron is an infamous pirate who has terrorized seas all around the world. He is described as cunning, ruthless, and with a touch of madness.	#36	0	0	0
Lyanna Stark Eddard Stark's sister. She was kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryen and subsequently died, which sparked Robert Baratheon and the Starks to rebel against he Targaryens.	#77	0	0	0
Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger) Formerly the Master of Coin, Littlefinger is a conniving political mastermind and serves as Warden of the East after his behind-the-scenes assassination of Lisa Tully.	#8	0	0	0
Harald Karstark A northern lord. The son of Rickard Karstark, who was beheaded by Robb Stark for treason.	#105	0	0	0
Karsi A Wildling chieftain who was killed in the Battle of Hardhome. She appears to have been re-animated as a wight.	#92	0	0	0
Totals		16	6	10

Kills

14:17 (+10) Eddard Stark:

Ned stabs the Targaryen Kingsguard, Gerold Hightower, through the throat. (Kill of Named Character)

Isn't this unnamed? It seems shady to use book canon to infer a name. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 9 prognar and bookworm13457 like this
Thought this while watching also. Shouldn't Dayne get credit for named kills too as Neds companions are mentioned in the books? Hard to tell who is who in the fight though. -apayne270

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Shouldn't it depend on if he was cast as Oswell Whent in the show or do names have to explicitly be said by characters in the show. This is probably something that should be made clear in the rules. -Reaper

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2016 May 9 jedjackoway likes this
Looks like a slight predicament here - Eddie Eyre (listed as Rowland Selwyn, and currently incorrectly renamed to Howland Reed) in fact plays Oswell Whent. Because players drafted him, we'll have to count the points.

Book-only names won't count, so none of Ned Stark's bannermen are counted as named.

There is slight precedent before for adding "major" characters who never had a spoken name, for example the three White Walkers we've been shown (Sam's kill, Jon's kill, and the thorny-headed king). This is a little fuzzy on which characters get this special treatment (in this case made easier by the fact that the char was draftable). -nyan

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457, jedjackoway, apayne270, moonbaseu92 like this
And it turns out he ends up credited as Gerold Hightower after all! That shows me for trying to gather casting info from the wiki a few hours after the episode premiere. -nyan

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16:20 (+10) Eddard Stark:

Ned finishes off the mortally-wounded Targaryen Kingsguard Arthur Dayne. (Kill of Named Character)

46:00 (+10) Smalljon Umber:

Smalljon Umber brings Ramsay the severed head of Rickon Stark's direwolf, Shaggydog, to prove his prisoner's identity. (Kill of Named Character)

Political Wins

33:21 (+3) Kevan Lannister:

Kevan Lannister rebuffs Cersei's attempt to force her way into the Small Council discussions, by simply ordering the meeting to be moved.
Jaime Lannister: "We've got a lot to discuss. All of us together."
Cersei Lannister: "And seeing as you cannot make us leave, we best get on with it."
Kevan Lannister: "No, we cannot make you leave. And you cannot make us stay." (Executive Decision)

37:21 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces Tommen Baratheon to stand down his demands for his mother's entry into the Sept to see Myrcella.
High Sparrow: "A true leader avails himself of the wisest counsel he can. And no one is wiser than the Gods."
Tommen: "My grandfather once said something similar. Except for the part about the Gods."
High Sparrow: "The Gods worked through him whether he knew it or not. As they work through your mother. There's so much good in all of us. The best we can do is to help each other bring it out." (Convincing Argument)

45:30 (+3) Smalljon Umber:

Smalljon Umber betrays Rickon Stark and Osha, who his house has been hiding as fugitives, turning them over to Ramsay Bolton. (Act of Betrayal)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

43:17 (+3) Smalljon Umber:

Ramsay Bolton: "When my father became Warden of the North, your house refused to pledge their banners."
Smalljon Umber: "Your father was a cunt." (Witty Insult)

45:22 (+3) Smalljon Umber:

to Ramsay Bolton and Harald Karstark: "And a boy, nice and young. The way Karstark likes 'em." (Witty Insult)

Deaths

46:00 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber brings Ramsay the severed head of Rickon Stark's direwolf, Shaggydog, to prove his prisoner's identity. (Death)

Does Rickon get +1 point per episode for dead Shaggydog going forward? I'm not sure how this works -apayne270

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2016 May 9 dopeghoti, julian.aronowitz, jedjackoway like this
Yes, Shaggydog gets scored just like regular characters except his points are given to Rickon. So if Rickon dies next episode, he'll be in a unique position to be receiving +2 post-episode death points thereafter. -nyan

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2016 May 9 apayne270 likes this
I'm not convinced this is actually Shaggydog. What if it turns out to be another direwolf later? -nsimmonds

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2016 May 9 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Lem Lemoncake, nyan like this
@nsimmonds this is my hunch as well... I'm expecting to have a big debate over this if it comes to pass, and unfortunately we don't have good precedents for what too do about it. There was a switcheroo for Theon's kill of the farmboys in S2, but that was during a rewatch so we knew it happened, and didn't grant the scores accordingly. -nyan

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2016 May 9
It makes no sense to fake Shaggydog but deliver the real Rickon. The only reason to fake Shaggydog would be if the whole thing is a ruse...if you're only going to fake half, clearly you fake Rickon and keep the real maybe-last-surviving-Stark safe. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
Pretty much we have to count the points here, the severed head is about as confirmed dead as you can get (else we second-guess every death on the show). The two options I can think of are:

1. Retroactively remove the points if the ruse is revealed later. Potentially upsets expectations if it changes scoring/wins from a long time ago (and what about season-spanning deception?)

2. Count the kills/death as they are apparently, and let the points stick. This allows for the same Characters to get multiple kill/death points, which was previously only allowed for very special cases (Jaqen H'ghar, Beric Dondarrion). Only exception is if the reveal happens in the same episode.

Leaning towards the second, as it's the easier way to keep consistent scoring (and not risk spoilers for late-watchers). -nyan

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