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  1. Addi how are you doing there at 38 points? Heheh -alexanderjspriggs
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  2. Jorah got points for sex by touching Sercei's arm....lmao -jordanp22916
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  3. @padrebojangles this category is going to be subjective and I don't disagree with you here. This will probably not happen this week but I'd like to open up more avenues for sentiment analysis (votes instead of likes) and provide an objective way to decide what counts. -nyan
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  4. I think we'd need to see if this happens again. I'm not sure riding him once is significant. -alicehanners
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  5. I don't know what this category is but I love it. -alicehanners
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  6. Pretty sure Lyanna should get bonus points for putting John in his place -palecekc
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  7. Seems like if it's equal either way then the score should go to both or neither. My vote would be both. -mah13090
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  8. This is hardly funny. Who comes up with these 'Funny Line' points? -padrebojangles
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  9. This 'Funny Line' is garbage. Who actually laughed at this? -padrebojangles
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  10. House Min is divided over my loss to my (actual) Queen by 1 Pt! -erikmin4
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  11. This is a very fair question. Traditionally for battles and gaining a castle, it's been attributed to only the commander (else you could start arguing that every individual soldier on the winning side gets to double up on those points). But having the entire army as a group draftable is something new this season. I feel like this could go either way, though it's a little weaker since we didn't see any on-screen wights in action. -nyan
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  12. Oh, thanks for bringing that up. I remember this was a whole long rabbit hole of discussion and sometimes I'm reaching back to older S5/S6 criteria and not remember we had decided on new rules. For context: https://fantasora.com/event/3128

    Based on this convo, I think we had decided that "has the power to distribute or maintain the secret" was a big thing, it's reasonably but a little weaker here with 3 named characters to all share the discovery. Bran Stark's existence (last remaining male Stark, also strange warg powers and prophetic knowledge) is a much bigger plot than Ned Umber's non-existence (a few hundred less soldiers will make it to Winterfell?)
    -nyan
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  13. Nevermind he did -johnjrohan
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  14. How did bronn not score me any points in that orgy he was in but all the girls involved got points wtf -johnjrohan
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  15. Precedent #1 of Secret discovery is Ed Tollet finding out Bran is alive. I dont see how him discovering Bran being alive impacted the story at all. -hindsight44
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  16. 15 pontos yes! que bosta
    -fabio.killer.fernandes
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  17. Why it doesn't count to the white army as well? -guy.v
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  18. Why it doesn't count to the white army as well? -guy.v
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  19. Probably a reasonable debate on whether the chairs at the head table in Winterfell were disinct enough to have some significance as a seat of power. Ultimately I judged it to be not really? https://i.imgur.com/GSBgKiJ.jpg

    The criteria could change and just have it grade for any seats that are distinct/rare from the others in a room.
    -nyan
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  20. @bcharleshayes that was in the submission queue and has now been approved! https://fantasora.com/event/3920 -nyan
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  21. Going to rule against this and err on the side of "it's stuff that should have plot impact". I think the original intention here was stuff like discovering Joffrey is a bastard, this episode Jon finding out he's really Rhaegar's son, etc. -nyan
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  22. Approved and switched to Drogon (original submission had listed Rhaegal). -nyan
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  23. I think it's important to keep the moments to a high bar, as you said, so that this category doesn't get oversaturated :) -niketbp
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  24. That sounds good to me! -niketbp
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  25. Why didn’t Drogon get points for staring at Jon snow? -bcharleshayes
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  26. I still haven't come up with a specific-enough criteria, but how about this (and we'll try to refine it as more examples come).

    We add a "Funny Moments" subtype to the "Feels" category, independent of lines. This is for all the hilariously funny scenes, but we'll try to keep it to a pretty high bar. It will be scored for only the characters that were "essential" to the funny moment - if you could remove that character and the moment would still be funny, they don't score.

    To give an idea of where the bar is, in this episode that's:
    * Drogon/Jon awkward stare-off
    * Edd/Tormund "I've ALWAYS had blue eyes!"

    Characters like Beric, Rhaegal, and importantly Daenerys are not counted. Working on how to phrase this but while Daenerys is "essential" in the scene for Jon to kiss with, in this context her/the kiss is more like a prop, and it's the stare-off which is making the scene funny.

    I think this could be 3pts in the Feels scale (5pts happy/sad, 3pts funny/regret).
    -nyan
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  27. This one didn't seem to get a lot of support but I'll add it actually. @jedjackoway that's a very good line of thought about new proposals, and generally it doesn't feel worthy to give points when characters are not even there (this is why the "references to..." Specials generally don't count if the characters aren't in the scene).

    In this case my feeling is that this would be a good stat to count if there were generally a "Team White Walkers" draftable group (like team defenses for NFL fantasy). With the lack of characters, I think the Night King was drafted by many people as a stand-in for that. This also is hopefully not too OP (I expect we see this 1-2 times at most), especially for a character that's already top-tier.
    -nyan
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  28. We'll need to see the things burnt on-screen as well. -nyan
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  29. Making it to the 1yd lines doesn't count =] -nyan
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  30. Mild reject on this one, there's an argument for it. Since this is the "Feels" category, I think this is mainly a criteria of the character has to feel like they've made a regretful mistake, and Daenerys didn't seem to. -nyan
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  31. The insult line was added, they ended up in a stalemate and it was Lyanna who sat back down, so we'll say she tried but was ultimately not successful in putting Jon in his place. -nyan
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  32. Good catch but I think from what they describe, he is severely injured but not dead.

    "Came back with his face burnt right off. He's got no eyelids now. How does he sleep with no eyelids?"
    -nyan
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  33. This has been added as a new Special for Jorah: Scores in the sex category for any physical contact he has with Daenerys -nyan
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  34. Will try to work on more feedback options, this one didn't feel very insultey or that funny. -nyan
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  35. I'll add this as an example in the rulebook criteria, the few goat bones not counting as "significant". I think anytime it's just a number in dialogue and we don't see the kill, we'll want the to raise the bar to make the points feel worthy. -nyan
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  36. Yep we'll do it. Let me go back and count them all up! -nyan
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  37. Melter of Many Faces is a cheater -vdeceglio
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  38. Is this one approved? -josh.radde
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  39. You all suck, except for Joe who is equally the bomb dot com -cereith717
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  40. i would have to disagree with this one, his ability is "each time he is called a bastard in his presence (including self-references)". i would say that telling someone that they are not a bastard is just the opposite of calling them a bastard -IPKOB
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  41. Tormund straight up says "It is a message from the Night King." -craigdietz20
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  42. Thank you. I'm glad it was a glitch that could be fixed. -rtyger8
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  43. Hot Pie is one of only eighteen recurring characters from Season 1 who are still alive as of the end of Season 7. Out of that eighteen, he is the only ,"commoner",a random baker's apprentice.

    Hot Pie's dialogue with Arya Stark in Season 7 appears to be a wry joke at his ability to randomly stay alive throughout all the bloodshed in the TV series, when he insists that he's "a survivor" just like Arya.

    HOT PIE IS GONNA SHOW UP AND BRING IN THE POINTS, I CAN FEEL IT.
    -jesse.fitz12
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  44. They added more points. I’m furthest behind -bcharleshayes
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  45. We'll see in the upcoming episode. It seems like it may be a mistake to have come to Winterfell at all. Definitely a worthwhile debate though. -nyan
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  46. @alicehanners good call! She wasn't made draftable this season but I'll change that. -nyan
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  47. If Jon receives points for it as a "feels" moment, it only makes sense for Bran to get them as well. -g108138214067352828589
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  48. My boy Eddard paying dividends right off the bat. Best draft pick of 2019. -padrebojangles
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  49. So how can this count for Jon but not for Bran?? Is this a mistake? -g108138214067352828589
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  50. This is some straight up BS. Where TF is Hot Pie???? -g108138214067352828589
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  51. Scores were updated and I did get points for that whole scene now. #longlivetheking -campeajm
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  52. That's true, 58 points seems quite excessive. However, I feel like some points are warranted considering they threw out a very specific number -niketbp
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  53. @rtyger8 sorry, there was an issue with the roster assignments after draft day. This has now been fixed for your league! -nyan
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  54. aye
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  55. LYANNA FOR THE THRONE -chefshwasty
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  56. not for kills, but since the special is objects burned in non-combat situations -ssleppy
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  57. I think it meets the 3 criteria, it's rare, its concrete and it's useful.

    House Umber is one of the great houses of the North. When designing a battle plan to defend Winterfell it would be good to know whether or not one of your great houses is going to show up.

    E.g. in this weeks episode when the Glovers wrote to Sansa that they were bailing both her and Jon were visibly upset they weren't going to "stand with house stark." I think it's fair to say there will be an equal reaction to the Umbers.
    -hindsight44
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  58. That doesn't account for the category of the "I've made a huge mistake".
    The explanation for is: the "you done fucked up" moments where a character has done something that in hindsight was clearly a dumb, avoidable mistake.

    But, Jaime doesn't do any dumb or avoidable mistake (or any mistake at all).
    -amitelran2110
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  59. Making this explicit in the Night King specials: "Any named character re-animated as a wight is assumed to be his follower (unless shown as re-animated by another character)" -nyan
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  60. Also so much for having a crew of elite mutes who can't warn each other in the event of a surprise attack, eh Euron? -nyan
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  61. Original submission: "Theon and his team board the boat to save Yara, 4 arrows are used to kill people working on the boat. The camera then cuts to Theon and his team with Theon at the front with his bow and arrow cocked, surely he deserves some points for these kills?"

    There were actually 5 kills and on-screen we see a squad of 4 (including Theon). Given the scenario I've scored 1 for Theon (Euron's men were killed in quick succession, so presumably they all landed their shots).

    For future references, I *would* say this is a bit of a grey(joy) area, with the fudged assumption that they didn't have time to reload much, so Theon must've landed his first shot. If there were 5 arrow kills and Theon had boarded with 20 goodmen, I don't think he would have gotten any points. Similar for 200 arrow kills and 20 men shooting, or if we saw arrows flying around and missing. These scenarios would put enough plausibility that Theon did not land his shots.

    The scoring criteria wants to see strong attribution happen on-screen, else we have submissions like "Tormund and Jon were like 2/10 of soldiers in the Battle of Bastards at this point and there's a pile of 150 bodies around them, clearly they did 20% of those kills". It ends up cheapening the points for legitimate kills the characters do 1:1.
    -nyan
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  62. @jrb it doesn't look like your league finished the draft. Feel free to hop into the Draft page to finish out the picks, else I will run a process to autodraft all pending drafts by tonight. -nyan
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  63. What would be great is if we could come up with the scoring rubric for who gets points in a "funny scene" so there's a consistent guideline for future episodes. Drogon, Jon, Edd, Tormund feel like the deserving characthers here. This is also something I'd nudge towards the Feels category. -nyan
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  64. oohh you dropped the ginger -vincent.sung
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  65. I don't know what is happening . . . I don't think the draft went through all the way. Ev, any thoughts? -jrb
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  66. I agree, I think Ed should get something for that exchange -mlopez
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  67. Scores have been added for the Night King winning the battle and conquering the Last Hearth (these were missed previously). I think we might also consider that any named characters reappearing as wights count as "Followers" of the Night King even if we don't see it happen (this can be made explicit by a Special scoring rule). Proposal here: https://fantasora.com/event/3959 -nyan
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  68. This was the product placement ad that caused WOW Air to go bankrupt. They then had to CGI the dragons in at the last minute to replace the planes. -nyan
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  69. My read on the scene is that Daenerys is mildly sympathetic but mostly righteous that executing them was what needed to be done. There may be some remorse but I didn't see that she was super awkward or "ehr dang I shouldn't have brought this up" about it.

    I guess the "I fucked up" feeling should be one of huge regret.
    -nyan
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  70. This is a bit buried, but generally for all the "references to..." the character needs to be there. This avoids issues around characters being long dead or not even appearing in an episode and getting points for many seasons after: https://fantasora.com/rulebook -nyan
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  71. EXCELLENT catch @dtsantise! -nyan
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  72. "A message from the night king" doesn't constitute the kill though. We've seen other walkers do this. Like in S1E1. Trust me, I'd love the points. I have him on my team. But it's not enough. The night king could be in control of someone who killed him, etc. -klov3r
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  73. This is a bit buried, but generally for all the "references to..." the character needs to be there. This avoids issues around characters being long dead or not even appearing in an episode and getting points for many seasons after: https://fantasora.com/rulebook -nyan
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  74. This is information but I would argue it's not very useful information - the group talks about heading down to Winterfell but it's just to be in time for the battle, not necessarily to warn Jon or alert anyone about what happened at the Last Hearth. And everyone knows the White Walkers are coming. See the rulebook under Discovery of Secrets. This is a grey one though, I'm not saying it has no merit. https://fantasora.com/rulebook -nyan
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  75. So here's what's been decided in the past (see https://fantasora.com/rulebook):

    > Kills of animals are counted, so long as the animal has a "significant" role in the scene. Precedents for the definition of "significant":
    > Scene focus on animal prior to kill: Arya's pigeon kill (S1E9); Drogon's sheep kill (S4Ex)
    > Failed signifigance criteria: Dragons' fish kills in S4Ex

    If we had gotten a scene of Drogon/Rhaegal actually roasting or tearing apart live goats I think it'd be totally deserving, but something feels off about giving 58pts for a shot of them nibbling at some goat bones, and having it based on a number thrown out there in dialogue, at that.
    -nyan
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  76. I feel like the issue here is nobody questioned that a random animal was an "unnamed character," which I feel like is the questionable part. -jedjackoway
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  77. oops he didn't die -power.suit
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  78. Well well well..... -tia.m.enevoldsen
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  79. In S06 it was counted as a kill when Jorah&Daario guessed that Drogon had eaten something. In this case it's stated explicitly and equivalent physical evidence is shown, so it seems an even stronger case for points here. -stevenorum
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  80. Hmm yeah that's difficult. Perhaps not Beric then, since he was just there, but maybe Ed because he was a part of that interaction though? Tough to say :/ -niketbp
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  81. Feels like followers are the right thing here vs. weapon. Wouldn't want to objectify the gorgeous beasts! -nyan
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  82. Considering adding a category for "funny moments", that would apply to the Drogon/Jon interaction as well. The problem I'm struggling with is how to properly reward vs just throwing out free points to everybody who shows up in a scene. The funny line gives a score to Tormund who is the one delivering the payoff, it doesn't feel equitable that Edd and especially Beric are getting points just for being there. -nyan
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  83. If this was done previously though, it probably makes sense to split these points between the dragons. I think that it was implied that they killed these animals themselves since we see the charred remains -niketbp
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  84. I think we'll need to see them eating them live on screen. In this case, it's possible the animals could have been butchered (although I know that's kind of against normal dragon behavior). -nyan
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  85. This is the criteria used in the rulebook. Bronn was only in contact with one (Marei) before Qyburn interrupted things.

    > The definitional line for sex is direct contact with the above nudity parts, by any one of the characters.
    -nyan
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  86. It looked like Bran had a smile, at least a slight one, when Jon came over to him. That's how I read the interaction. -jimmy.tague
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  87. Agree that this scene seemed more like a +15 than a +5. -dlapato
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  88. Definitely was Drogon and agree that it was hilarious and should earn points. -dlapato
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  89. So, will this be scored? -k.molseed
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  90. Yeah seems to me it should be points for the Night King, considering they said his death was a "message from the Night King." I did not receive any points for it, however. -campeajm
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  91. LOL -niketbp
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  92. So would he have had to actually have sex with all three? I feel like they were all a part of it -niketbp
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  93. Not sure if this was changed recently, but his special rule states "when someone (excl. Cersei) references incest with Cersei or his childrens' bastardy directly to him" (though I have Jaime so am definitely in favor of him getting points for this :P) -niketbp
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  94. Yeah this was Drogon not Rhaegal right? Perhaps for characters that don't talk, such as the dragons, it makes sense that their "funny lines" are non-verbal? -niketbp
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  95. The show passed the books 2 seasons ago -hindsight44
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  96. great job everyone
    -noelsaullo101
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  97. *weapon -hindsight44
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  98. Also if Dragons are considered weapons, didnt jon just get a qeappn? -hindsight44
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  99. Should be more than 1 point -roisin.guargena
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  100. Frank obviously read the books -johnjrohan
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