Matchup: John Blows Snow vs Tormund's Littlefinger for Ep 1

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John Blows Snow (wpbutler1605)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Deaths	Special
Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	#38	109	0	0	10	99
Nymeria Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastards, known as Sand Snakes. She wields a whip.	#59	6	3	3	0	0
Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger) Formerly the Master of Coin, Littlefinger is a conniving political mastermind and serves as Warden of the East after his behind-the-scenes assassination of Lisa Tully.	#11	0	0	0	0	0
Euron Greyjoy An uncle to Theon Greyjoy, Euron is an infamous pirate who has terrorized seas all around the world. He is described as cunning, ruthless, and with a touch of madness.	#43	0	0	0	0	0
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Free-spirited and rebellious, Arya escaped the war-ravaged Westeros and currently resides in Braavos, where she trains under the face-changing assassin Jaqen H'ghar in the House of Black and White.	#6	0	0	0	0	0
Ramsay Bolton The legitimized bastard son of Roose Bolton, now Warden of the North. He is fond of the Bolton tradition of flaying their enemies.	#22	0	0	0	0	0
Gilly A wildling who lived north of the Wall. After she befriended Samwell Tarly, she escaped with him to Castle Black, and now sails with him to Oldtown as Sam begins his Maester's training.	#54	0	0	0	0	0
Tommen Baratheon The King of the Seven Kingdoms after the assassination of his brother, Joffrey Baratheon. He is young and highly impressionable to the various influences in King's Landing that seek to control him.	#27	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		115	3	3	10	99

Tormund's Littlefinger (bowmanmalpass)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Deaths
Areo Hotah The personal bodyguard for Doran Martell.	#32	10	0	0	10
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	#1	5	2	3	0
Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun A Wildling Giant, who fought in the Battle of Hardhome and was one of the few to escape.	#33	0	0	0	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities, and now serves as Master of Whispers in King's Landing.	#48	0	0	0	0
Mace Tyrell The head of House Tyrell and Lord of Highgarden. He is the father of Loras and Margaery. While bumbling and appearing incompetent, he heads a powerful House and serves as both Master of Ships and Master of Coin on King Tommen Baratheon's Small Council.	#64	0	0	0	0
Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, and formerly a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall. Although they have met in battle more than once, he bears a grudging respect for Jon Snow.	#16	0	0	0	0
Bronn A former sellsword, who has risen through the ranks of nobility thanks to his fighting skills and work for the Lannisters. He recently accompanied Jaime Lannister on a sensitive diplomatic mission to Dorne to rescue the Princeess Myrcella Baratheon.	#17	0	0	0	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#49	0	0	0	0
Totals		15	2	3	10

Kills

32:57 (+2) Daenerys Targaryen:

Jorah and Daario discover the charred bones of a ram out on the hills near the Dothraki sea. It appears to be Drogon's work.

Daario: "You think our friend got him?"
Jorah: "Don't know anything else that can melt a ram's horn."
Daario: "We're on the right path, then." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

submitted by alicehanners (approved!)

So the one little bit of difference in my mind is that for the little kid, we see both the before and after. So it's a clear, "this happened during the course of the episode". The ram in this case, I don't think was shown anytime earlier, and I worry that giving points for *any* dead bodies that show up will lead to some later scene where we come across a field of hundreds of mutilated bodies and get a line "Drogon must have done this." or "this is the work of Gregor Clegane", and end up rewarding a bunch of points that never had a payoff for show watchers.

Open to other thoughts/interpretations though. This is a good precedent-setter either way. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Wait, you see Zalla alive? I forgot that part
-alicehanners

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2016 Apr 26
Will have to bring the episode back up, but if I recall correctly the opening scene of the episode is the girl playing on the grass hillside. Then Drogon emerges from below the cliff and stares down at her. The later on in the episode the man comes to Daenerys' court with the charred bones. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Went back to do a rewatch, your memory of the events is right Alice. The scene I was thinking of is from S4E6 - Drogon rises above the cliff to stare down a boy goat herder, then ends up roasting a little goat and snatching it away. The boy escapes unscathed. Later in S4E10 the girls' bones show up without any prior introduction. I also found some previous precedents with Ramsay talking about killing people and just displaying the flayed corpses in S5 which were counted. So in keeping with that, this poor bbq'd ram will count! -nyan

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2016 Apr 27 moonbaseu92 likes this
Are dragon kills considered her "Special"? Because that would be a x3 multiplier -armizzle.diaz

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2016 Apr 29
@armizzle.diaz the dragons' actions will count for all of their respective category, so this is scored as kills, and if they shotgun a barrel of wine or decide to get incestuous, it'll count as wine/sex points. The special category is more for the "+1 for each..." that don't fit elsewhere. The Starks' wolves are counted the same way. -nyan

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2016 Apr 29 nsimmonds likes this

Political Wins

28:07 (+3) Nymeria Sand:

Obara and Nymeria arrive on the Dornish ship to assassinate Trystane.
Obara: "We're not here to feed you. We're here to kill you."
Nymeria: "You want her to do it? Or me? (Act of Betrayal)

40:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Khal Moro to not rape her by mentioning that she is the widow of Khal Drogo.
Daenerys: "I was wife to Khal Dorgo, son of Khal Bharbo."
Khal Moro: "Khal Drogo is dead."
Daenerys: " I know. I burnt his body."
Khal Moro: "Forgive me. I did not know. It is forbidden to lie with a Khal's widow. No one will touch you. You have my word." (Convincing Argument)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

28:49 (+3) Nymeria Sand:

After Obara performs the named-character Kill Steal on Trystane: "You're a greedy bitch, you know that?" (Funny Line)

Deaths

26:50 (+10) Areo Hotah:

Areo Hotah dies from a dagger to the back from Tyene Sand, as Ellaria Sand launches her coup d'état of Dorne. (Death)

27:43 (+10) Doran Martell:

Doran Martell bleeds out after being stabbed by Ellaria Sand. "When was the last time you left this palace? You don't know your own people. Their disgust for you. Elia Martell raped and murdered, and you did nothing. Oberyn Martell butchered, and you did nothing. You're not a Dornishman. You're not our Prince." (Death)

Isn't it 19 points for all of these characters because they get an extra point for every episode left in the season? (9) -tyler3005

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2016 Apr 26
I thought the same thing Tyler. I think it needs to be adjusted. I posed on the FB page about it. -marksizzle

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2016 Apr 26
It will be by the end of the season -moonbaseu92

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2016 Apr 26
The post-death points will be awarded in the subsequent episodes, so Doran and the rest will be getting 1pt each in E2, E3, ... thru E10. It'll be 19 points after it's all said and done, but as a sort of trickle-down consolation prize over the rest of the season while you're down a character. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26 tyler3005 likes this
Does Jon Snow get a point for being dead then? -cfitzgerald

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2016 Apr 27
@cfitzgerald check out the discussion at http://fantasora.com/event/1951. It's leaning towards not awarding the points since they are for the rest of the season after they die, and Jon Snow was officially recorded as dying in S5E10. -nyan

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2016 Apr 27

Special

25:35 (+99) Doran Martell:

Doran 'Professor X' Martell turns out to not actually be a wheelchair-bound cripple at all - apparently he was just too lazy to walk anywhere during any part of S5. He takes thirty-two slow, gimpy steps along the way to his wheelchair. Then decides to adjust his dangling right foot for good measure, before fully sitting down.

5 steps in initial overhead scene (25:35)
7 steps to get up the stairs (25:40)
8 steps to the next set of stairs (25:47)
9 steps to the wheelchair (25:55)
3 steps to get in the wheelchair (26:06)
1 step to get his last dangling foot onto the wheelchair (26:11) (Special)

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This is why you should play Roto not direct scoring -moonbaseu92

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2016 Apr 27
This is the opposite of why you should play roto. With roto, whoever has Doran will have a huge advantage in upcoming episodes. With H2H the field is a bit more level next episode. -alicehanners

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2016 Apr 27
Both Roto and H2H have their own ways of dealing with an outsized scoring performance. For H2H, it only counts for 1 win whether you win by 3pts or 100pts, so Doran's performance is capped at 10% of the season and he now won't be contributing much else.

For Roto leagues, teams with Doran will now have a sizeable lead in the Specials category, but there's still time to make it up over the course of the rest of the season (e.g. if Hodor has a Hodor-outburst, it's probably in the same order of magnitude as Doran). Even if 1 performance is good enough to secure a whole category, it's still just 1 of 7 categories (worth ~14%), and Roto scoring is based off of the ranks - if you win a category by 3pts or 100pts, the 2nd-place team in that category is still just -1 roto points behind. -nyan

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