Matchup: The Worth of Howland Reeves vs The Ryans of Castamere for Ep 10

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The Worth of Howland Reeves (patrick.f.reeves)

Character	Drafted	Total	Deaths	Special
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three children. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.	#7	3	0	3
Mance Rayder A former member of the Night's Watch, Mance leads a united Wildling army as the King Beyond the Wall. Following the Battle at Castle Black however, his forces were defeated and he was captured by Stannis Baratheon.	#26	1	1	0
Maester Aemon The Maester of the Night's Watch. In a previous life he was born Aemon Targaryen, a great-uncle of Daenerys.	#39	1	1	0
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. He is north of the Wall, arriving in the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#23	0	0	0
Nymeria Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastards, known as Sand Snakes.	#58	0	0	0
Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his bastard son.	#10	0	0	0
Trystane Martell Prince Doran Martell's son, and heir to Dorne. He is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon.	#55	0	0	0
Meera Reed The eldest child of Howland Reed, bannerman to the Starks. She and Bran have arrived at the cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#42	0	0	0
Totals		5	2	3

The Ryans of Castamere (christopher.ryan36)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Wine	Deaths
Jaqen H'ghar A member of the Faceless Men of Braavos, and a skilled assassin. After helping Arya escape from Harrenhal, his whereabouts are unknown.	#56	25	10	0	5	10
Stannis Baratheon The eldest brother of King Robert, he is the rightful heir to the Irone Throne.	#9	14	4	0	0	10
Alliser Thorne Formerly the master-of-arms at Castle Black, Thorne now serves as acting Lord Commander of the Night's Watch in the absence of Lord Commander Mormont.	#41	8	5	3	0	0
Hizdahr zo Loraq A son of one of the Meereenese slave masters - he appears in Daenerys' court to ask for his fathers body, after Daenerys crucifies all of the slavers in Meereen.	#40	1	0	0	0	1
Sansa Stark The second eldest Stark child. Though currently married to Tyrion Lannister, she has been smuggled into the Vale by Littlefinger, where she poses as his niece, Alayne Stone.	#8	0	0	0	0	0
Obara Sand One of Prince Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes.	#57	0	0	0	0	0
Margaery Tyrell The daughter of Mace Tyrell, head of House Tyrell. Betrothed to King Tommen, she is the queen-to-be and active in the politics of King's Landing.	#24	0	0	0	0	0
Bronn A former sellsword, who has risen through the ranks of nobility thanks to his fighting skills and work for the Lannisters. He is arranged to marry Lollys Stokeworth, and eventually inherit a lordship and castle of his own.	#25	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		48	19	3	5	21

Kills

14:07 (+4) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis kills two Bolton soldiers who attempt to finish him off in the woods outside Winterfell. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

24:09 (+10) Jaqen H'ghar:

Jaqen commits suicide to balance out Arya's killing of Meryn Trant. "A girl stole from the Many-Faced God. Now a debt is owed. Only death can pay for life." (Kill of Named Character)

56:31 (+5) Alliser Thorne:

Alliser stabs Jon Snow in the stomach as he and the rest of the Night's Watch assassinate him for aiding the Wildlings. "For the Watch." (Major Injury of Named Character)

Political Wins

56:31 (+3) Alliser Thorne:

Jon Snow is betrayed by Ser Alliser for helping to aid the Wildlings. "For the Watch." (Politics - uncategorized)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

24:09 (+5) Jaqen H'ghar:

Jaqen drinks a glass of the poisoned liquid in the House of Black and White. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Deaths

16:11 (+10) Stannis Baratheon:

The strong implication is that he was, in fact killed at the hands of Brienne of Tarth. I realize it wasn't technically on-screen and could be considered to be ambiguous, but we never saw Syrio Forel's death or the Hound's death, but the understanding is that they are dead as well. And if at the start of the next season, it turns out that he did, in fact, die, it'll be a little late to go back and add the points. Would the points be given to whoever has him at the beginning of next season, then? (Death)

submitted by cfitzgerald (approved!)

The precedents for kills and deaths has been to count them in the episode where it was confirmed - Barristan Selmy was treated that way (scored when we actually saw him lying on the table in the next episode), and neither Syrio Forel nor the Hound are actually counted for death points yet. Davos in S2E9 closely paralleled this - received what was possibly a fatal blow, wasn't heard from the rest of the season, then showed up fine in S3E1.

Normally the cliffhangers are between episodes and it's not as big of a deal, since the points are still counted eventually. In this case, teams that drafted Stannis would miss out on the points entirely (if he's actually dead), which is unfortunate. But the false positive is a much bigger problem: if we count a death in S5, then in S6E1 we find out the character is still alive, the S5 results are unequivocally wrong, and we may find ourselves revising scores and winners 9 months later. Counting the death for S6E1 is at least consistent to a rule that we'll count the deaths when we see a body. -nyan

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2015 Jun 16
That all said, the event suggestion is listed here because there's a very believable argument that Stannis is actually dead-dead. If everyone else is equally certain here, I'll go ahead and add this (and Brienne's kill points) in. -nyan

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2015 Jun 16
I think it's ambiguous whether he's dead-dead and whether Brienne had a last minute change of heart when she was reminded of her duty to rescue Sansa (as opposed to exacting vengeance for the death of Renly). -elaine

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2015 Jun 16
The official Game of Thrones viewer guide says Brienne killed Stannis -cfitzgerald

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2015 Jun 18
Repeating comment here: the pure scorekeeper in me doesn't like this as much either, but I'll end up recording the Kill and Death points based on it being highly likely that it happened. Pragmatically there is more riding on this death than Barristan's, because his potential death would just be recorded in the subsequent episode, which isn't a possibility here. Ultimately I think more players will be happier with the points recorded.

I'll make this an official "last episode of season" exception in the Rulebook, where the kill/death standard can be lowered from "confirmed" to simply "highly likely". -nyan

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2015 Jun 30

24:15 (+10) Jaqen H'ghar:

Jaqen commits suicide to balance out Arya's killing of Meryn Trant. "A girl stole from the Many-Faced God. Now a debt is owed. Only death can pay for life." (Death)

+1 for Maester Aemon, +1 for Mance Rayder, +1 for Hizdahr zo Loraq

Special

29:07 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime is confronted with his incest by his own daughter, Myrcella: "I know. About you and mother. I think a part of me always knew. And I'm glad. I'm glad that you're my father." (Special)

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