Matchup: No Gout! vs whetstone for Ep 5

No Gout! (vincent.cabanacan)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three (now deceased) bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.	#2	6	6
Salladhor Saan A Pirate Lord from the Lys, a free city of Essos. He is an old friend of Ser Davos Seaworth and fought for Stannis in the Battle of the Blackwater.	#59	0	0
Lollys Stokeworth The second daughter of House Stokeworth. She was betrothed to Bronn, although the arrangement was broken off after Jaime recruited Bronn on a mission to Dorne.	#79	0	0
Tyene Sand The youngest of Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She uses daggers and poisons as her weapons.	#42	0	0
Missandei A freed slave from Astapor, who serves Daenerys as an advisor and translator.	#39	0	0
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre has demonstrated mythical skill in blood magic, most recently reviving a deceased Jon Snow. After Davos Seaworth exposes her live sacrifice of the child Shireen Baratheon, she has been exiled by Jon Snow.	#22	0	0
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#19	0	0
Daughter of the Myraham's Captain The captain's daughter aboard the merchant ship Myraham, a merchant ship traveling between the Riverlands and the Iron Islands. She had an fling with Theon Greyjoy during his stay aboard the ship, though he did not take her for a wife.	#99	0	0
Ornela (Dothraki Widow from Lhazareen) A young Dothraki widow from Dosh Khaleen. She follows Daenerys Targaryen after she defeats the other Khals by burning them alive inside the Temple of Dosh Khaleen.	#62	0	0
Malko A slave-auctioneer in the city of Meereen.	#82	0	0
Totals		6	6

whetstone (michael.childs)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics
White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	#7	3	3
Ellaria Sand The former paramour of Prince Oberyn. She is also the mother of several of his bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes, and plots revenge against the Lannisters for Oberyn's death. After assassinating Prince Doran and overtaking Dorne, she joins forces with Daenerys Targaryen as she sails west to retake the Iron Throne.	#34	0	0
Bianca (Sansa actress) A young Braavosi actress who portrays Sansa Stark in a Braavosi play depicting the political events of Westeros. (played by Eline Powell)	#47	0	0
Nymeria Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastards, known as Sand Snakes. She's into whips.	#14	0	0
Talla Tarly Samwell's sister.	#74	0	0
Robin Arryn The young, sickly son of the late Jon Arryn and Lysa Tully. He is Lord of the Vale, although he is easily manipualted by Lord Petyr Baelish, who serves as Lord Protector until he comes of age.	#27	0	0
Hot Pie An orphan from King's Landing. He works at the Inn at the Crossroads as a baker.	#54	0	0
Daisy A new prostitute employed in the brothels of Littlefinger.	#87	0	0
Marei A prostitute working in Littlefinger's brothel.	#94	0	0
Vance Corbray A member of Lysa Arryn's court.	#67	0	0
Totals		3	3

Political Wins

19:39 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

The Night King breaks Bran's warg connection to his ravens, dispersing the scouting flock sent north of the Wall. (Victorious Battle)

Fairly minor "engagement" if we can even call it that? -nyan

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2017 Aug 15 jake.kmiech, jedjackoway, playabills like this
The rules say that these points are for within the scope of a battle. I think this will set a precedent where minor actions are considered battle wins. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 15 hkeseyan, jake.kmiech, craigdietz20 like this
I wouldn't extend it that far (for minor actions in battles). Rather, this was the sum of the engagement (the ravens on a scouting mission, which was repelled). If this was one shot as a part of a larger battle, I don't think it counts as a battle victory at all. -nyan

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2017 Aug 15
I had thought this would be under discovery of a secret in that he now knows that Bran was attempting to scout out his army -cfitzgerald

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2017 Aug 15 hindsight44, jake.kmiech, talindsey like this
I agree how is this a win for the night king. To me bran came out with the information so regardless it was a successful scouting mission . -talindsey

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2017 Aug 15
Nothing really happened. :| -xdwxrd

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2017 Aug 16 jedjackoway, playabills, craigdietz20 like this

32:25 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime is taken by Bronn to the dungeons beneath the Red Keep, where he finds his fugitive brother Tyrion who has arranged a meeting with him there. (Secret Discovery)

submitted by hindsight44 (approved!)

Dang, I am kind of regretting losing the "willfully told" provision. It was working as a decent catch-all to exclude a lot of stuff like this that does technically fit but we sort of know it is not a powerful secret that goes anywhere. Anyhow for consistency's sake I'll add it in, I feel like I want to do more thinking about Secrets next season. -nyan

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2017 Aug 15 Lem Lemoncake likes this
damned if you do, damned if you don't -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 15
I think you should add the caveat that being willfully told a secret only counts if the only people who know the secret are the person telling the secret in the person being told secret. That still allows for secret discovery when it's not willingly told, but that puts an end to potential secret chains. What happens if Cersei told someone that Olenna killed Joffrey? What happens if that person tells them? Where does it end? -alicehanners

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2017 Aug 15 nyan likes this
*and the person, not in the person -alicehanners

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2017 Aug 15

41:13 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

After Jaime and Tyrion's secret meeting, Cersei agrees to the truce with Daenerys while they await for Jon to return with proof of the White Walker situation.

Cersei: "I've come to believe that an accommodation with the Dragon Queen could be in our immediate interest. She has the numbers. If we want to beat her, we have to be clever. We have to fight her like Father would have." (Deals Brokered)

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