Event: Melisandre - Threat (Insults Delivered / Funny Lines)

0:00 (+3) Melisandre:

to Varys: "I will return, dear Spider, one last time. I have to die in this strange country... just like you." (Threat)

submitted by hindsight44 (approved!)

This came off to me like she was conveying a prophecy, no insult or threat -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 1
She calls him a spider. And just because its a prophetic doesn't make it any less of an threat, if anything it makes it a much more profound threat. -ssantise

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2017 Aug 1
everyone calls him the spider in the first couple of seasons. that is not a new insult or reference to him. -ssleppy

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2017 Aug 1
He is commonly known as and refers to himself as a spider. That being said its irrelevant as to whther or not the full statement was a threat. Vaguelly telling someone they will die in the future is an absolute threat regardless of the source information. In the context of the scene Varys very clearly threatens her so she felt the need to bring it back to him. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 1
@ssleppy Just because Spider is not a new insult does not make it any less of an insult. Jon Snow still gets points for being called a bastard and that's not new in anyway.

Also, I think the context of this conversation is important here. Melisandre makes this insult/threat in direct response to Varys threatening her safety in Westeroes. She then patronizes him by sarcastically referring to him as her"Dear Spider" and then goes on to throw his threat right back at him by saying that he also must die. -ssantise

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2017 Aug 1
but it isn't an insult. he calls himself the spider a few times i am pretty sure. it's just what he was known as. everyone dies. Valar Morghulis anyone? how is it a direct threat? more of a possible prophecy that she's seen than anything. at least that's my perspective on it anyway. -ssleppy

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2017 Aug 1
To clarify, the 'bastards' are scored for Jon as a special. Being called 'bastard' is not being scored as an automatic insult for him.

My hunch is that the content of "you will die" is a threat, perhaps with some backing by her vague prophecy allusions. The main question is whether any of the wording here takes it past the wording/creativity bar to make it a good line. -nyan

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2017 Aug 1
Tyrion refers to himself as an imp quite a few times, doesn't make it any less insulting. Being referred to as a "spider" regardless if he personally uses it does not change the negative connotations around being referred to as a spider.

I think Melissandre's line was both eloquent and masterfully stated. First she calmly patronizes him as her "Dear Spider", in direct response to his threat (which is almost enough of insult for points alone). Then she cleverly follows this by referring to Westeroes as "this strange land". Finally she finishes of her beautiful line by returning the threat to Varys, that they both must die here. If she wanted to be dull and undeserving of points she would have just said "Varys you're gonna die in Westeroes." but she didn't. -ssantise

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2017 Aug 1
i think it was a great line and a threatening one. not an insult though. i'm not denying she should get points for the line at all; i agree she should get points for it being ominous and threatening, but not that it's an insult. that's all :) -ssleppy

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2017 Aug 1
I think context is what makes this a threat. Varys directly threatens her right before she says this. Before Varys threatened her she was passive and very open with Varys. This 180 attitude was to respond a threat with another threat. We have no evidence or proof to show this was definitvley from the flames, have Mel even interepted flames since Stannis?

Also this isnt a plain direct threat like Dany saying" Betray me and i will burn you alive." If there was no wit or innuendo Mel would have simply said "Varys you will die in Westeroes." But she did use wit.If you read between the lines what she meant by this was we are equals. Mel knows Varys hates magic and all who follow it, he has a very elitist and arrogant attitude when dealing with Magical entities (specifically priests of Rhollor). So when she says 'i will die here just like you.' she is saying get off your high horse you are no better than me, this country will claim both of us . Id say that is threatening and witty enough to warrant points. -hindsight44

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