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Eddison Tollett:
Unbeknownst to the rest of the world. Ed Tollet and company discover House Umber has been slaughtered. An important ally in the North.
submitted by hindsight44 (rejected)
jayson.the.pirate, the_catherine316, Ser Vincent, imonaship12, 2 others like this
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This is information but I would argue it's not very useful information - the group talks about heading down to Winterfell but it's just to be in time for the battle, not necessarily to warn Jon or alert anyone about what happened at the Last Hearth. And everyone knows the White Walkers are coming. See the rulebook under Discovery of Secrets. This is a grey one though, I'm not saying it has no merit. https://fantasora.com/rulebook -nyan
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I think it meets the 3 criteria, it's rare, its concrete and it's useful.
House Umber is one of the great houses of the North. When designing a battle plan to defend Winterfell it would be good to know whether or not one of your great houses is going to show up.
E.g. in this weeks episode when the Glovers wrote to Sansa that they were bailing both her and Jon were visibly upset they weren't going to "stand with house stark." I think it's fair to say there will be an equal reaction to the Umbers. -hindsight44
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Going to rule against this and err on the side of "it's stuff that should have plot impact". I think the original intention here was stuff like discovering Joffrey is a bastard, this episode Jon finding out he's really Rhaegar's son, etc. -nyan
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Precedent #1 of Secret discovery is Ed Tollet finding out Bran is alive. I dont see how him discovering Bran being alive impacted the story at all. -hindsight44
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Oh, thanks for bringing that up. I remember this was a whole long rabbit hole of discussion and sometimes I'm reaching back to older S5/S6 criteria and not remember we had decided on new rules. For context: https://fantasora.com/event/3128
Based on this convo, I think we had decided that "has the power to distribute or maintain the secret" was a big thing, it's reasonably but a little weaker here with 3 named characters to all share the discovery. Bran Stark's existence (last remaining male Stark, also strange warg powers and prophetic knowledge) is a much bigger plot than Ned Umber's non-existence (a few hundred less soldiers will make it to Winterfell?) -nyan
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