Matchup: Join vs xXsWaGXx for Ep 1

Redwyne Wildfire (Public #107)

Join (derekbonda)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Sex
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys seeks to return home and reclaim the Iron Throne. With her three dragons and an army on Unsullied warriors, she has conquered several slave cities and rules over the city of Meereen.	#1	8	3	0	5
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker.	#25	3	0	3	0
Myrcella Baratheon The only daughter of King Robert Baratheon and Queen Cersei Lannister. She was sent to Dorne to secure an alliance by marriage with House Martell.	#41	0	0	0	0
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three children. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.	#8	0	0	0	0
Tycho Nestoris A representative of the Iron Bank of Braavos, a powerful bank who holds a large sum of debt from the Iron Throne.	#49	0	0	0	0
Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, he is a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall.	#24	0	0	0	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#64	0	0	0	0
Nymeria Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastards, known as Sand Snakes.	#56	0	0	0	0
Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his bastard son.	#9	0	0	0	0
Jorah Mormont The exiled head of House Mormont. Jorah was previously one of Daenerys' most trusted advisors, but was banished when his time serving as a spy for Robert Baratheon was revealed to her.	#17	0	0	0	0
Alliser Thorne Formerly the master-of-arms at Castle Black, Thorne now serves as acting Lord Commander of the Night's Watch in the absence of Lord Commander Mormont.	#40	0	0	0	0
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. He is north of the Wall, arriving in the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#16	0	0	0	0
Robin Arryn The young, sickly son of Jon Arryn and Lysa Tully. He is Lord of the Vale, although Petyr Baelish serves as Lord Protector until he comes of age.	#32	0	0	0	0
Tyene Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes.	#57	0	0	0	0
Hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor. hodor.	#33	0	0	0	0
Grand Maester Pycelle The Grand Maester of the Seven Kingdoms. Pycelle is highly educated and serves as an advisor to the King.	#48	0	0	0	0
Totals		11	3	3	5

xXsWaGXx (benjaminlepic)

Character	Drafted	Total	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths
Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen.	#3	29	9	20	0	0
Mance Rayder A former member of the Night's Watch, Mance leads a united Wildling army as the King Beyond the Wall. Following the Battle at Castle Black however, his forces were defeated and he was captured by Stannis Baratheon.	#19	10	0	0	0	10
Loras Tyrell The heir to Highgarden and regarded as one of the most skilled knights in Westeros. He is the brother of Margaery Tyrell.	#30	8	3	0	5	0
Three-eyed raven A mysterious man who lives far north of the Wall with the Children of the Forest. He has been guiding Bran's dreams through the form of a three-eyed raven.	#51	0	0	0	0	0
Davos Seaworth A former smuggler, Ser Davos is now a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors, though he is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	#22	0	0	0	0	0
Trystane Martell Prince Doran Martell's son, and heir to Dorne. He is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon.	#54	0	0	0	0	0
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. She travels to Braavos to seek Jaqen H'gar.	#6	0	0	0	0	0
Podrick Payne A squire who serves Tyrion Lannister.	#38	0	0	0	0	0
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon is currently a captive of Ramsay Bolton.	#14	0	0	0	0	0
Eddison Tollett A member of the Night's Watch. Edd commanded some of the forces on the Wall in the Battle at Castle Black.	#46	0	0	0	0	0
Barristan Selmy The former Lord Commander of the Kingsguard of Robert and Joffrey Baratheon. After being dismissed by King Joffrey, he joins Daenerys to serve as her advisor and Queensguard.	#35	0	0	0	0	0
Sansa Stark The second eldest Stark child. Though currently married to Tyrion Lannister, she has been smuggled into the Vale by Littlefinger, where she poses as his niece, Alayne Stone.	#11	0	0	0	0	0
Gilly A daughter of Craster, a wildling who lived in a fortified compound north of the Wall. She and her baby escaped to Castle Black with Samwell Tarly.	#43	0	0	0	0	0
Yezzan zo Qaggaz (slave trader) A slave trader from Yunkai.	#59	0	0	0	0	0
Yara Greyjoy Theon's older sister, Yara was raised on the Iron Islands as a true Ironborn. She is a fearsome fighter and commands a longship of her own.	#27	0	0	0	0	0
Sandor Clegane (The Hound) A fearsome warrior known as the Hound. Sandor formerly served in the Kingsguard of Joffrey Baratheon and accompanied Arya Stark on her travels. He was left for dead after a fight with Brienne of Tarth.	#62	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		47	12	20	5	10

Political Wins

38:49 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys denies Hizdahr zo Loraq's request for the fighting pits to be re-opened.
Hizdahr: "They did ask for some concessions."
Daenerys: "Concessions?"
Hizdahr: "Politics is the art of compromise, Your Grace."
Daenerys: "I'm not a politician. I'm a queen."
...
Hizdahr: "In the new world that you've brought to us, free men would fight free men. The pit fighters you liberated plead for this opportunity. Bring some here and ask them yourself."
Daenerys: "No fighting pits."
Hizdahr: "Opening them would show the people of Yunkai and Meereen that you respect their traditions."
Daenerys: "I do not respect the tradition of human cockfighting."
Hizdahr: "If you could-"
Daenerys: "How many times must I say no before you understand?" (Politics - uncategorized)

Does Stannis not get points in episode one of this season for having Mance Raydar as his prisoner? Also during Mance Raydar's sentencing the other wildlings including Tormund Giantsbane are clearly shown in chains. We can also presume that they are also prisoners of Stannis. -Reaper

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2015 Apr 22 wpearsal likes this
He does get the politics points for that (new prisoner), but that capture and imprisonment happened last season in S4E10. -nyan

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2015 Apr 22
I thought so, but when i looked back at last season leagues Stannis never gets the points for the capture in that episode. So i thought it would transfer to this season because it was never made clear last season. -Reaper

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2015 Apr 22
Yeah, the S4 points are incomplete in that regard - the Politics category didn't exist when we played last year. We'll be doing a new rewatch for it (and recording these points) sometime after S5. -nyan

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2015 Apr 22

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

9:50 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

to the fortune teller, Maggy: "Tell me my future, or I'll have your two boring eyes gouged out of your head." (Threat)

10:34 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei inherit's Tywin's family lecture abilities.
to Jaime: "Tyrion may be a monster, but at least he killed our father on purpose. You killed him by mistake, with stupidity." (Witty Insult)

20:54 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

"How many Brothers can say that they've killed a White Walker *and* a Thenn? I might be the first in history!" (Funny Line)

This isn't an insult and I don't find it funny. Out of context, it's not funny, and in context, it shows Sam's laziness, where Gilly is in fairly constant danger, surrounded by men who hate her, but Sam doesn't want to train because he had a few lucky moments beyond the wall.

Is this category purely "made the scorekeeper laugh"? Gilly certainly didn't find it funny and it wasn't delivered as though it was humor. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 19
I thought it was clearly meant to be humor. I think it was a "funny", although I didn't find it laugh out loud funny either. Also I don't think running a "is it funny out of context" test is very useful for judging something's funni'ness. Generally isn't comedy mostly about context? -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 20
I meant that it was LESS fun in context, but wasn't even funny out of context.

I don't know how you can think it's humor. It's Sam trying to puff up for Gilly as an excuse for why he isn't training. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20
It might be seen as delivered as humor if Sam was using it to jokingly poke fun at how useless he is otherwise (hey, remember those two times I ended up doing something right??), but you can tell he's genuinely proud of himself and thinks he can protect Gilly because of this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Sam, but this moment was sad and I felt bad for Gilly. Not humor at all. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20
The "context" for humor is that of the viewer - many jokes won't be funny at all to any characters in-universe, but the humor is meant for those *watching* the show. In this case, Sam isn't telling a joke and Gilly isn't perceiving it as a joke. But the viewer obviously sees through Samwell's weak attempt at a brag for what it is, and Samwell's vanity is the joke here. I agree that it's not the greatest laugh-out-loud moment in the show, but enough people wrote in suggesting this one that we added it. -nyan

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2015 Apr 21

29:18 (+3) Loras Tyrell:

Loras lazily drones on to Cersei about the late Tywin: "what a... force to be reckoned with." (Funny Line)

30:51 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Lancel: "I led you into the darkness."
Cersei: "I doubt you've ever led anyone anywhere." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

28:54 (+10) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei drinks at the start of Tywin Lannister's wake, as she listens to Loras drone on about Tywin's "force to be reckoned with." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

31:50 (+10) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei's second glass of wine while listening to Lancel's attempt to convert her to religion. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

32:02 (+5) Loras Tyrell:

Loras in bed with Olyvar, making pillowtalk about his birthmarks. (Act of Intercourse)

39:25 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

In bed with Daario, as they discuss the re-opening of the fighting pits. (Act of Intercourse)

If Nudity contributes extra points, how do all 4 of these people have 5 points? Olyver, Loras, and Daario were all nude. Daenerys' scene shouldn't count as nudity. She shows the same amount of skin when she's clothed. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 19
All of the sex scenes in the episode were actually counted as non-nude sex scenes - "rated R" nudity is the threshold, so unfortunately all those E1 butts were not counted. -nyan

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2015 Apr 20
BUTTS DON'T COUNT?!?!? NOOOOOOOO

I chose Daario purely for the butt shots! Augh D: -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20
According to the MPAA, "nudity that is sexually oriented will generally require an R rating." (from wikipedia)

I WILL CAMPAIGN FOR BUTTS TO COUNT

WHO'S WITH ME!??! -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20 moonbaseu92 likes this
http://www.filmratings.com/downloads/rating_rules.pdf

Page 7 and 8. That would mean Dany getting out of the bath as a challenge to Daario would NOT be rated R (it'd get a PG-13), but all three butts in that episode would (sexual context). -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20
I'm not quite sure that interpretation of the MPAA guidelines is correct - I'm pretty sure the Dany bath scene from S3 would earn an R-rating, and the general bare butts we saw in S5E1 would still fall within PG-13.

That said, I'm not philosophically opposed to counting butts. Originally this was conceived as a "buff" for female characters to have more potential for sex points, but it's shown up sparingly enough that it wouldn't hugely upset the balance to count down. Here's a question though: would you want to grant a full 5x point multiplier (potentially 25pts) to a fully-nude female sex scene?

btw, this was established already in the rulebook: "individual boobs and lower-body genitalia", which excludes butts but was perhaps not explicit enough. Given that, it likely won't change since everyone has already drafted with the given ruleset and it would be unfair to suddenly change the scoring afterward. But I'm very open to the discussion for a future scoring change (S6 and beyond). -nyan

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2015 Apr 21 moonbaseu92 likes this

Deaths

52:55 (+10) Mance Rayder:

Mance stands on a burning pyre after he refuses to bend the knee to Stannis Baratheon. He is mercy killed with an arrow through the heart by Jon Snow. (Death)

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