Matchup: Join vs Valyria Hodor for Ep 2

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Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Special
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys seeks to return home and reclaim the Iron Throne. With her three dragons and an army on Unsullied warriors, she has conquered several slave cities and rules over the city of Meereen.	#1	16	10	6	0	0
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker.	#25	9	0	3	3	3
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three children. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.	#8	6	0	3	0	3
Alliser Thorne Formerly the master-of-arms at Castle Black, Thorne now serves as acting Lord Commander of the Night's Watch in the absence of Lord Commander Mormont.	#40	0	0	0	0	0
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. He is north of the Wall, arriving in the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#16	0	0	0	0	0
Nymeria Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastards, known as Sand Snakes.	#56	0	0	0	0	0
Grand Maester Pycelle The Grand Maester of the Seven Kingdoms. Pycelle is highly educated and serves as an advisor to the King.	#48	0	0	0	0	0
Tycho Nestoris A representative of the Iron Bank of Braavos, a powerful bank who holds a large sum of debt from the Iron Throne.	#49	0	0	0	0	0
Robin Arryn The young, sickly son of Jon Arryn and Lysa Tully. He is Lord of the Vale, although Petyr Baelish serves as Lord Protector until he comes of age.	#32	0	0	0	0	0
Tyene Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes.	#57	0	0	0	0	0
Jorah Mormont The exiled head of House Mormont. Jorah was previously one of Daenerys' most trusted advisors, but was banished when his time serving as a spy for Robert Baratheon was revealed to her.	#17	0	0	0	0	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#64	0	0	0	0	0
Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, he is a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall.	#24	0	0	0	0	0
Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his bastard son.	#9	0	0	0	0	0
Hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor. hodor.	#33	0	0	0	0	0
Myrcella Baratheon The only daughter of King Robert Baratheon and Queen Cersei Lannister. She was sent to Dorne to secure an alliance by marriage with House Martell.	#41	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		31	10	12	3	6

Valyria Hodor (autouser)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Wine
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and a member of the Night's Watch. He helped lead the defense of Castle Black against the Wildling siege.	#4	19	9	0	10
Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger) Formerly the Master of Coin, Littlefinger has been sent to the Vale to serve as Warden of the East.	#5	6	0	6	0
Ellaria Sand The former paramour of Prince Oberyn. She is also the mother of several of his bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes.	#28	6	0	6	0
Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	#21	6	0	6	0
Maester Aemon The Maester of the Night's Watch. In a previous life he was born Aemon Targaryen, a great-uncle of Daenerys.	#36	3	3	0	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities.	#44	3	3	0	0
Denys Mallister A member of the Night's Watch and commander of the Shadow Tower, located the west end of the Wall.	#60	0	0	0	0
Walder Frey The elderly Lord of the Twins and now Lord of Riverrun after his betrayal of Robb Stark and the Northern forces.	#20	0	0	0	0
Stannis Baratheon The eldest brother of King Robert, he is the rightful heir to the Irone Throne.	#12	0	0	0	0
Janos Slynt A member of the Night's Watch. Slynt formerly served as Commander of the City Watch, before he was removed from the post and exiled by Tyrion Lannister.	#45	0	0	0	0
Bowen Marsh The First Steward of the Night's Watch.	#61	0	0	0	0
Leaf A member of the Children of the Forest. She leads Bran and his companions to cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#52	0	0	0	0
Tommen Baratheon The new King of the Seven Kingdoms.	#29	0	0	0	0
Hizdahr zo Loraq A son of one of the Meereenese slave masters - he appears in Daenerys' court to ask for his fathers body, after Daenerys crucifies all of the slavers in Meereen.	#53	0	0	0	0
Meera Reed The eldest child of Howland Reed, bannerman to the Starks. She and Bran have arrived at the cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#37	0	0	0	0
Ramsay Bolton The legitimized bastard son of Roose Bolton, now Warden of the North. He is fond of the Bolton tradition of flaying their enemies.	#13	0	0	0	0
Totals		43	15	18	10

Kills

51:07 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys orders Mossador to be publicly executed in front of the Masters and former slaves of Meereen, for his murder of the captive Son of the Harpy. (Kill of Named Character)

Why does this not count as Kills Commanded? -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 21 moonbaseu92 and wpearsal like this
I agree, this should be under Kills commanded -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 22
Sorry, the site is a bit confusing there. Kills Commanded is actually a deprecated category - we had it for the S4 game but it's been folded into regular Kills for S5 (it just didn't happen often enough to be its own Roto category). I'll be working on a fix that more permanently removes the category. -nyan

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2015 Apr 23 alicehanners likes this

Political Wins

19:20 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime coerces Bronn into his service, marrying off the noblewoman he is betrothed to, Lollys Stokeworth, to another knight, stripping Bronn of his opportunity for a noble title and lands. "Because you're going to come with me and help me with something important. And when we return... I'm going to give you a much better girl, and a much better castle." (Politics - uncategorized)

24:10 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daario captures a member of the Sons of the Harpy, who becomes Daenerys' prisoner. (Politics - uncategorized)

31:11 (+3) Qyburn:

Cersei names Qyburn the new Master of Whispers, replacing Varys. (Politics - uncategorized)

40:56 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam stumps for Jon Snow as a candidate for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, convincing many in the room. "He may be young, but he's the commander we turned to when the night was darkest." (Politics - uncategorized)

43:38 (+3) Jon Snow:

By the margin of a single vote, Jon Snow is reluctantly elected as the 998th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. (Politics - uncategorized)

Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)? -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 21 coconnor723 likes this
I don't think people get points for followers. Else Dany would have billions of points, Stannis a buttload, Tommen a ton, Doran a bunch, etc. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 24
Has there been a vote on this? I think the two explicit followers rule should count! -coconnor723

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43:38 (+3) Maester Aemon:

Maester Aemon casts the deciding vote for Jon Snow in the Lord Commander election. (Politics - uncategorized)

43:41 (+6) Jon Snow:

Samwell Tarly and Maester Aemon cast their votes for Jon Snow in the Night's Watch election. Jon edges past Ser Alliser Thorne in the election and becomes their Lord Commander. (Politics - uncategorized)

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Brought up by @moonbaseu92: "Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)?" -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
It's an excellent point, but a bit tricky to figure out where to limit the scope. I'd like to figure out the line and record this as a new precedent in the Rulebook.

The problem with awarding automatic followers when someone gains a new title is that it potentially has a limitless range. For example, when Tommen becomes King, did that automatically make *every* Lannister/Tyrell character in the Seven Kingdoms his follower?

I think a reasonable rule would be to require an explicit pledge or act of loyalty by the follower. So in Joffrey's case, he'd get the standard point just for receiving the title of King, but no automatic points for any of the hundreds of named subjects. However if a scene shows a character coming to King's Landing to pledge a *new* oath of fealty to King Joffrey (like he requested of Robb), that'd count as a follower.

Applied to this election, I think normally there'd be no new followers for Jon, even from those who enthusiastically support him like Samwell (same as how Tommen doesn't automatically get every Lannister/Tyrell as a follower). *However*, the Night's Watch is unique in that they carry out a democratic process, giving every member the agency to choose who they want to declare (vote) for. In this case, the votes casted are an explicit act for "I will follow Jon Snow if he wins the election", so the votes by Samwell and Maester Aemon are counted as new followers.

What does everyone else think of establishing this as the scoring rule for followers? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
Sounds good to me. The more points scored the better and it helps improve some characters that might not score as much. As you said, it just needs to be more black and white for the scorekeepers. -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 23

48:20 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys takes Mossador as her prisoner, after he murders the Son of the Harpy.
Daenerys: "Once, the Masters were the law-"
Mossador: "And now you are the law."
Daenerys: "The law is the law." (Politics - uncategorized)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

8:46 (+3) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

to Brienne, remarking on her new armor: "We've met, with Renly Baratheon... What did he say about you? He said, 'Your loyalty came free of charge.' Someone appears to have paid quite a bit for it since then." (Witty Insult)

10:16 (+3) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

to Brienne: "This woman swore to protect Renly, she failed. She swore to protect your mother, she failed. Why would I want somebody with your history of failure guarding Lady Sansa?" (Witty Insult)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

20:22 (+3) Ellaria Sand:

to Areo Hotah: "Remove yourself from my path or I'll take that long axe and I'll shove it up your..." (Threat)

20:42 (+3) Doran Martell:

Doran: "Oberyn was slain during a trial by combat. By law, that is no murder."
Ellaria: "Your brother-"
Doran: "You don't have to remind me. He was my brother long before he was anything to you." (Witty Insult)

20:58 (+3) Doran Martell:

Doran delivers a stern rebuke to the decision-making ability of Ellaria and his hot-headed subjects.
Doran: "You would have me go to war?"
Ellaria: "The whole country would have you go to war."
Doran: "Then we are lucky the whole country does not decide." (Witty Insult)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

21:50 (+3) Ellaria Sand:

Doran: "...but we do not mutilate little girls for vengeance. Not here. Not while I rule."
Ellaria: "And how long will that be?" (Threat)

Areo Hotah's testing the blade with his finger doesn't count as a threat towards Ellaria because he didn't do it for her to see? -Lem Lemoncake

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2015 Apr 21 Reaper likes this
Generally only threatening lines are scored, not actions. Else every fighting scene with a threatening glare would get points as well. -nyan

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2015 Apr 23 Lem Lemoncake likes this
Good point :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2015 Apr 23

40:42 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

"A wildling girl, a baby, and Lord Janos. I found him there (in the Castle Black pantry) after the battle was over, in a puddle of his own making." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

39:23 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks in the hall at Castle Black, as the election for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch begins. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

42:44 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks another cup while members of the Night's Watch cast their votes for Lord Commander. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Special

15:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Cersei talks to Jaime about Myrcella. "Then don't call her your daughter. You've never been a father to her." (Special)

Cersei and Jamie both mention their bastard children twice?
-mmccor4140

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2015 Apr 23 wpearsal likes this
It's a little fuzzy - the bastardy mentions were grouped into the same conversation, but I can see a case for counting the lines as separate mentions. Other thoughts? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
Is there an historical precedent for it? I feel like Sam made multiple, similar jokes about Janos Slynt too, but wasn't sure if they should all count? -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 23

33:16 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam mentions a factoid from his book on the history of Lord Commanders of the Night's Watch. "Did you know that the youngest Lord Commander in history, Osric Stark, was elected at the age of 10?" (Special)

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