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Ramsay Bolton

Targaryen Equestrian

(undrafted)

+1 for each food item he punctures or slices
+1 point for every scene featuring an act of torture.

Raw Stats

Total	Kills	Kills Cmd.	Thrones	Feels
22	22	0	0	0

Event Log

Kills

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

13:31 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay tells his father about the flaying of Lord Cerwyn. His body, flayed of all skin, is hung from the walls of Moat Cailin.
Ramsay: "Lord Cerwyn refused to pay. He said the Warden of the North will always be a Stark, and he'd be damned if he kissed a traitor's boot."
Roose Bolton: "You left him no choice."
Ramsay: "I flayed him living, along with his wife and brother. I made his son watch ... The new Lord Cerwyn paid his taxes." (Kill of Named Character)

13:47 (+4) Ramsay Bolton:

The wife and brother of Lady Cerwyn were killed by Ramsay Bolton - their flayed bodies were hung on display from the walls of Moat Cailin. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Seriously contesting all of Ramsay's kill points. Does it count if it happens off-screen, before the character's first scene in the episode? If so, don't we need to count implied kills whenever a character is in a battle? This is setting a weird precedent, I think. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 28 nyan and megharr36 like this
Yeah, I think there's a reasonable debate on both sides of this. I think if Ramsay simply *said* he killed these people, it wouldn't count. However in this case, we're shown all three flayed bodies in the scene preceding this one. So the precedent would be that we are shown bodies + details of the kill (enough to confirm the killer).

Some previous examples of this:
S1E2: The Hound credited with a kill after he returns with Mycah's body, though we never see the actual kill.
S1E7: Robert credited with the boar kill after he tells the story about it - we never see the actual kill (though I believe the boar is later shown?).
S2E7: Theon credited with 2 kills after we are shown the two charred bodies of the orphan boys in Winterfell - we never see the actual killing.
S2E8: Jaqen credited with 4 kills of Lannister soldiers at Harrenhal. We never see the actual killing.
S2E8: Dagmer credited with 2 kills after he tells Theon about the farmer and wife that he also killed along with the orphan boys. We actually don't even see bodies in this case.
S2E9: Ser Mandon Moore catches 3 deserters, and Cersei orders all three of them to be executed (and Ilyn Payne heads off to do so). In hindsight this is strong candidate to be rescinded, as there's no actual confirmation.
S4E10: Daenerys is credited for Drogon's kill of the Meereenese villager's daughter. We are shown the charred bones of the girl, but are never shown the actual kill.

I think there's a fair argument to take a hard line and say only explicit on-screen kills count, but that would invalidate most of the above examples. Other lines could be drawn at "must be shown the body" and/or "must get explicit details to determine who did the kill." I'm open to hearing opinions on where the kill cutoff is, but either way it sounds like we'll definitely get a new precedent established for the rulebook, which is always great. -nyan

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2015 Apr 28 moonbaseu92, tim.sheehan, Reaper, alicehanners like this

Episode 7: The Gift

8:12 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Sansa emerges from her bed, showing the bruises that have been inflicted on her by Ramsay. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

15:42 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay has the old woman who attempted to help Sansa flayed and killed. "Tough old bird. Everyone talks when I start peeling them. But this one, her heart gave out before I even got to her face." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Isn't that an act of torture? -chadhazellief

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2015 May 26
It would be, but I'm not sure about counting it as it happened off-screen. The kills were counted based on the prior precedent that dead bodies + explanation on how they were killed is good enough to count as a kill. But should off-screen torture count for Ramsay's special? "+1 point for every scene featuring an act of torture."

Submit it and see what others think? -nyan

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2015 May 26 chadhazellief likes this
Yeah, I think there's a reasonable debate on both sides of this. I think if Ramsay simply *said* he killed these people, it wouldn't count. However in this case, we're shown all three flayed bodies in the scene preceding this one. So the precedent would be that we are shown bodies + details of the kill (enough to confirm the killer).

You said that week 3 and he got like 16 points -chadhazellief

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2015 May 27
That precedent still holds for Kills. I'm wondering if it's something that should be extended to the Specials category as well. Some things to run through the thought experiment:

* If Sansa says that she "cried all night", and looks sad (but not crying), would she get a special point?
* If Brienne yells at Podrick "I can't believe you burned down the tent last night!", but we never see the burning (only the charred tent), does it count?

Hmm, as I think of it more... we give Sex points for the scenes where they're just in bed afterwards, too. I think you have a good case that the torture should count. Go ahead and submit them in! -nyan

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2015 May 27

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

16:12 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay stabs through the remaining Baratheon soldier as he mops up the wounded soldiers on the battlefield near Winterfell. "Looks like we're done here." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

16:43 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay stabs the back of a crawling Baratheon soldier as he mops up the battlefield outside Winterfell.
Baratheon soldier: "I surrender! I surrender!"
Ramsay: "And I accept your surrender." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

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