Matchup: Winter Came But I Didn't vs The Game of Incest for Ep 1

Dragon Titties

Winter Came But I Didn't (gonzalezdaniella3)

Character	Drafted	Total	Feels
Jaime Lannister	#9	3	3
Wight Army (Extras)	#20	0	0
Harry Strickland	#37	0	0
Septa Unella	#65	0	0
Chella	#104	0	0
Mord	#93	0	0
High Priestess Kinvara	#76	0	0
Archmaester Ebrose	#48	0	0
Totals		3	3

The Game of Incest (coleharper82)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Special	Feels
Theon Greyjoy	#30	15	4	6	0	5
White Walker (Night King)	#2	12	0	9	3	0
Yara Greyjoy	#27	9	1	3	0	5
Koner (actor: Joseph Quinn)	#83	0	0	0	0	0
Citadel Maester (actor: Philip O'Sullivan)	#86	0	0	0	0	0
Melessa Tarly	#58	0	0	0	0	0
Maester Wolkan	#55	0	0	0	0	0
Daughter of the Myraham's Captain	#111	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		36	5	18	3	10

Kills

27:15 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon kills a member of Euron's crew as he leads a squad of Ironborn on a rescue mission to save his sister Yara Greyjoy. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

submitted by kevinreading66 (approved!)

Original submission: "Theon and his team board the boat to save Yara, 4 arrows are used to kill people working on the boat. The camera then cuts to Theon and his team with Theon at the front with his bow and arrow cocked, surely he deserves some points for these kills?"

There were actually 5 kills and on-screen we see a squad of 4 (including Theon). Given the scenario I've scored 1 for Theon (Euron's men were killed in quick succession, so presumably they all landed their shots).

For future references, I *would* say this is a bit of a grey(joy) area, with the fudged assumption that they didn't have time to reload much, so Theon must've landed his first shot. If there were 5 arrow kills and Theon had boarded with 20 goodmen, I don't think he would have gotten any points. Similar for 200 arrow kills and 20 men shooting, or if we saw arrows flying around and missing. These scenarios would put enough plausibility that Theon did not land his shots.

The scoring criteria wants to see strong attribution happen on-screen, else we have submissions like "Tormund and Jon were like 2/10 of soldiers in the Battle of Bastards at this point and there's a pile of 150 bodies around them, clearly they did 20% of those kills". It ends up cheapening the points for legitimate kills the characters do 1:1. -nyan

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2019 Apr 16
Also so much for having a crew of elite mutes who can't warn each other in the event of a surprise attack, eh Euron? -nyan

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27:34 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon throws an axe into the skull of the Ironborn soldier guarding Yara Greyjoy. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

27:57 (+1) Yara Greyjoy:

As thanks for her rescue, Yara headbutts Theon, bloodying his nose. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

Political Wins

21:32 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Tormund and the Night's Watch discovers the grisly scene at the Last Hearth, where the White Walkers have massacred the inhabits. (Victorious Battle)

Why it doesn't count to the white army as well? -guy.v

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2019 Apr 18
This is a very fair question. Traditionally for battles and gaining a castle, it's been attributed to only the commander (else you could start arguing that every individual soldier on the winning side gets to double up on those points). But having the entire army as a group draftable is something new this season. I feel like this could go either way, though it's a little weaker since we didn't see any on-screen wights in action. -nyan

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2019 Apr 18
Seems like if it's equal either way then the score should go to both or neither. My vote would be both. -mah13090

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2019 Apr 18
I agree it should also count for the white walker army. -hapesnova

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2019 Apr 28

21:32 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Tormund and the Night's Watch discovers the grisly scene at the Last Hearth, where the White Walkers have massacred the inhabits. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

27:53 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

After sneaking aboard Euron's ship, Theon frees his sister Yara. (New Follower/Prisoner)

29:01 (+3) Yara Greyjoy:

Yara: "You want to go to Wintefell. To fight for the Starks. Go. What is dead may never die." (House Words)

29:07 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara: "You want to go to Wintefell. To fight for the Starks. Go. What is dead may never die."
Theon: "What is dead may never die." (House Words)

51:24 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

The Night King has Ned Umber reanimated as a wight in the ruins of the Last Hearth. (New Follower/Prisoner)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Special

51:26 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Ned Umber is impaled on the wall of his keep, surrounded by a spiral of bloody body parts. (Special)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

I'd vote against the proliferation of specials that are so loosely tied to actual appearances/direct references to the character. -jedjackoway

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2019 Apr 15 nyan likes this
Tormund straight up says "It is a message from the Night King." -craigdietz20

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2019 Apr 17
This one didn't seem to get a lot of support but I'll add it actually. @jedjackoway that's a very good line of thought about new proposals, and generally it doesn't feel worthy to give points when characters are not even there (this is why the "references to..." Specials generally don't count if the characters aren't in the scene).

In this case my feeling is that this would be a good stat to count if there were generally a "Team White Walkers" draftable group (like team defenses for NFL fantasy). With the lack of characters, I think the Night King was drafted by many people as a stand-in for that. This also is hopefully not too OP (I expect we see this 1-2 times at most), especially for a character that's already top-tier. -nyan

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The Feels

29:17 (+5) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon and Yara share an embrace before they part ways to fight their separate parts of the war.
Yara: "You want to go to Wintefell. To fight for the Starks. Go. What is dead may never die."
Theon: "What is dead may never die."
Yara: "But kill the bastards anyway." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

29:17 (+5) Yara Greyjoy:

53:29 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

After riding anonymously for a fortnight to reach Winterfell, Jaime discovers Bran has been sitting in the courtyard waiting for his "old friend" the whole time. (I've made a huge mistake.)

submitted by hindsight44 (approved!)

Ooooooh I love this! -nyan

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2019 Apr 15 ddarko189 and mlopez like this
That doesn't account for the category of the "I've made a huge mistake".
The explanation for is: the "you done fucked up" moments where a character has done something that in hindsight was clearly a dumb, avoidable mistake.

But, Jaime doesn't do any dumb or avoidable mistake (or any mistake at all). -amitelran2110

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2019 Apr 16 tal.t, semion.g, guy.v, IPKOB like this
We'll see in the upcoming episode. It seems like it may be a mistake to have come to Winterfell at all. Definitely a worthwhile debate though. -nyan

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