Matchup: Blood and wine vs The Mad Queen for Ep 4

Blood and wine (fingers7393)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Sex	Deaths	Special
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	#4	87	54	15	3	15	0	0
Missandei A freed slave from Astapor, who serves Daenerys as an advisor and translator.	#36	9	0	0	6	0	0	3
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	#20	3	0	0	0	0	0	3
Olly An orphan boy of the Night's Watch, and a squire for Lord Commander Jon Snow. He is part of the mutiny that betrays Jon and leaves him for dead.	#52	1	0	0	0	0	1	0
Hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor. hodor.	#29	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Nymeria Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastards, known as Sand Snakes. She wields a whip.	#45	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities, and now serves as Master of Whispers in King's Landing.	#61	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	#13	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		100	54	15	9	15	1	6

The Mad Queen (jamiehoffman)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Insults	Sex	Deaths	Special
Ramsay Bolton The legitimized bastard son of Roose Bolton, now Warden of the North. He is fond of the Bolton tradition of flaying their enemies.	#5	18	10	3	5	0	0
Grand Maester Pycelle The Grand Maester of the Seven Kingdoms. Pycelle is highly educated and serves as an advisor to the King.	#60	6	0	0	0	0	6
Olenna Redwyne (Grandma Tyrell) The matriarch of House Tyrell, Olenna is the grandmother of Margaery and Loras. She is known as the "Queen of Thorns" for her sarcasm and wit.	#37	3	0	3	0	0	0
Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	#28	1	0	0	0	1	0
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre served as a close advisor to Stannis Baratheon until she abandoned his cause at the Battle of Winterfell against the Boltons.	#12	0	0	0	0	0	0
Obara Sand The eldest of Prince Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She wields a spear.	#44	0	0	0	0	0	0
Olyvar A former prostitute, Olyvar now manages Littlefinger's brothels while he is away in the Eyrie. He plays a key role in the Sparrows' indictment and imprisonment of Loras Tyrell.	#53	0	0	0	0	0	0
High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	#21	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		28	10	6	5	1	6

Kills

46:20 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay exposes his knowledge of Osha's loyalty to the Starks, stabbing her through the throat before she can assassinate him. (Kill of Named Character)

55:17 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys shoves the last torchstand at Khal Moro, burning him alive inside the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen. (Kill of Named Character)

56:01 (+20) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with Khal Rhalko and Khal Forzo inside of it. (Kill of Named Character)

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Rhalko is named by Khal Moro, "You'd rather be sold into slaver? Or maybe you'd like to show Rhalko here what you taste like?".

Forzo was not, but existed as a draftable character based on casting rumors, so he's included.

Qhono was not actually in the tent, he's visible as one of the Dothraki in the crowd approaching the burning Temple (around 59:23 on the hbogo stream). -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Will clarify the new precedent in rulebook. The "named" character definition will be bent a little to include:
* all draftable characters
* "boss fight" characters, to borrow from video game terminology (pending)

For more discussion on the new "Kills of Named Character" criteria, check out the proposal at: http://fantasora.com/event/2394 -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Maybe it would be clearer if you simply changed it to "Kills of Draftable Characters/Bosses" :D -Lem Lemoncake

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56:01 (+24) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with twelve unnamed Khals and their bloodriders inside of it, in addition to Khal Moro, Rhalko, and Forzo. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

27:30 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces her rescuers on a new escape plan
Daenerys: "We will *never* get out of Vaes Dothrak alive."
Jorah: "All we can do is try."
Daenerys: "No. We can do more than that. And you're going to help me." (Convincing Argument)

56:22 (+9) Daenerys Targaryen:

The Dothraki of Vaes Dothrak arrive at the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and bow down to Daenerys as their new ruler, after she kills off all of the Khals by burning them alive in the Temple. Among them are Khal Moro's bloodrider Qhono, the High Priestess of the Dosh Khaleen, and the Lhazareen Khal widow. (New Follower/Prisoner)

56:28 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys claims dominion over Vaes Dothrak as the inhabits of the city bow down to her, after her burning of the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and all of the ruling Khals inside of it. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

13:06 (+3) Missandei:

Tyrion: "Trust me. My own recent experience with slavery have taught me the horrors of that institution."
Missandei: "How many days were you a slave?"
Tyrion: "...long enough to know."
Missandei: "Not long enough to understand." (Witty Insult)

16:22 (+3) Missandei:

Tyrion, in Valyrian: "Large sorry... you wait so fat time."
Missandei: "Perhaps I should translate for you." (Funny Line)

What is funny about this? Tyrion's line was funny, but that doesnt mean this was. -wsleppy

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2016 May 17 bookworm13457 and MillerTime like this
Missandei's comedic timing want the best here, it was a mix of funny/insult to how bad Tyrion's Valyrian was. If there are others who feel it wasn't funny enough, we can move it out. -nyan

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2016 May 17
I disagree. Missandei is always serious. I doubt you can make a case that she tried to make a joke. She mostly just wanted to get the communication right. The situation was funny from a 'this is not a real situation but one in a tv show perspective'. If that were real life, no body would laugh at it imho. -rajatnigam

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37:52 (+3) Olenna Redwyne (Grandma Tyrell):

Cersei: "You once spoke of your respect for our father because he understood the necessity of working with one's rivals."
Olenna: "My dear, you have been stripped of your dignity and authority, publicly shamed, and confined to the Red Keep. What's left to work with?" (Witty Insult)

48:47 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay sends a letter to Jon Snow, demanding Sansa back:

"Keep her from me and I will ride north and slaughter every wildling man, woman, and babe living under your protection. You will watch as I skin them living. You will watch as my soldiers take turns raping your sister. You will watch as my dogs devour your wild little brother. Then I will spoon your eyes from their sockets and let my dogs do the rest. Come and see." (Threat)

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The letter should definitely count. But it should count once, since that Khal threatening Dany to suffer various rapes counts once as well. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 16 as38 likes this
I don't know, Ramsay definitely threatened each character uniquely. Khal Moro was threatening the same person with the same act, but multiple times. I don't think that's equivalent. -theripleymanor

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2016 May 17
It seems like it could be summed up as ultimately a threat to Jon. "You will watch as... [terrible stuff happens to Sansa]. You will watch as... [terrible stuff happens to Rickon]. Then I will spoon your eyes from their sockets..." The threat is the emotional torture that he will put Jon through after he's defeated. -nyan

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53:14 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

to the Dothraki Khals: "And here, now, what great matters do the Great Khals discuss? Which little villages you'll raid, how many girls you'll get to fuck, how many horses you'll demand in tribute. You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki." (Witty Insult)

Acts of Intercourse

45:55 (+5) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay gets a handy prelude from Osha, before surprising her with some intense penetration. (Act of Intercourse)

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55:58 (+15) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys emerges outside of the burning Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with her clothes burned away, but unharmed. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

Guess I was wrong about the actress saying no more nude scenes. Maybe she meant nude scenes where she isn't bathed in fire. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 righteous, nyan, jedjackoway like this
In response to the comment above this:

There is a interview with Emilia Clarke specifically about this scene. She agreed to do a nude scene if it was in private. So they filmed her I believe in Belfast on a "closed set" with only a couple of people. The rest of the scene was filmed in Spain I think and basically they used CGI to make it look like Khaleesi/Emilia was actually there with everyone else. -marksizzle

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2016 May 16 nyan and taylorreneegoodrich like this
We were actually debating at my viewing party if they CGI'ed her body and that's why the nudity was included.

Or maybe she was just trying to throw off Fantasora drafts!! -coconnor723

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Deaths

+1 for Olly, +1 for Doran Martell

Special

13:40 (+3) Varys:

Astapor slave master: "We came here to meet the Queen, and instead we're greeted by a dwarf and a eunuch." (Special)

18:02 (+3) Missandei:

in Valyrian to the former slaves: "I do not trust them (the slave mastesr). I will never trust them. ... but as a wise man once said, 'We make peace with our enemies, not out friends'." (Special)

35:13 (+6) Grand Maester Pycelle:

Pycelle walks two arduous marathons after Cersei shows up and gives him the boot from King Tommen's quarters.
The 400m: 5 steps immediately as Cersei enters the room
The 10k: 23 step traversal to get around the table and out the door. (Special)

Was expecting him to take a pit stop in that open chair out of sheer exhaustion. -coconnor723

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2016 May 16 nyan likes this
I counted more than ten steps. Granted, he did not stop, but should this only count once, or twice? -dopeghoti

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@dopeghoti it's walks of 5 or more steps, which can be broken up by pauses. He does pause at the very end when he passes Cersei, but we don't see him take another 5 out of that (he just quickly moves out of frame). -nyan

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2016 May 16
He does take 5 visible little steps towards the table after Cersei enters the room ("I am advising the king on our current predicament...") and another 5 steps towards Tommen ("Obviously not, I am here to lend my wisdom and my support") before his long exit. -Ser Vincent

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2016 May 16 nyan likes this
Great catch @Ser Vincent. There's a bit of a half-shuffle cheat for step#1, iffy pause, and then 4 steps after that before the cutaway. Probably doesn't pass muster for an NBA double-dribble violation, but we'll give the lethargic Pycelle the benefit of the doubt: https://gfycat.com/FondLongGenet -nyan

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