Matchup: JonsNotDead vs BigTallTyrian for Ep 10

JonsNotDead (adam.moore402)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Wine	Deaths	Special
Bronn A former sellsword, who has risen through the ranks of nobility thanks to his fighting skills and work for the Lannisters. He recently accompanied Jaime Lannister on a sensitive diplomatic mission to Dorne to rescue the Princeess Myrcella Baratheon.	#19	14	0	9	5	0	0
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and recently returns from a mission to Dorne to rescue his daughter/niece, Myrcella Baratheon.	#6	6	0	3	0	0	3
Eddard Stark The long-deceased head of House Stark. There are rumors that he may make a reappearance in flashback form for S6.	#42	3	3	0	0	0	0
Alliser Thorne A former master-of-arms and acting Commander of the Night's Watch, Thorne narrowly lost the Lord Commander choosing to Jon Snow in S5. He later led a mutiny of disgruntled Night's Watch members against Jon Snow, stabbing and leaving him for dead.	#30	1	0	0	0	1	0
Khal Moro The leader of a new Khalasar of Dothraki.	#43	1	0	0	0	1	0
White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	#18	0	0	0	0	0	0
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#7	0	0	0	0	0	0
Yara Greyjoy Theon's older sister, Yara was raised on the Iron Islands as a true Ironborn. She is a fearsome fighter and commands a longship of her own.	#31	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		25	3	12	5	2	3

BigTallTyrian (ryanhm)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Deaths
Tommen Baratheon The King of the Seven Kingdoms after the assassination of his brother, Joffrey Baratheon. He is young and highly impressionable to the various influences in King's Landing that seek to control him.	#35	20	10	0	0	0	10
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	#2	14	0	6	3	5	0
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre served as a close advisor to Stannis Baratheon until she abandoned his cause at the Battle of Winterfell against the Boltons.	#23	3	0	3	0	0	0
Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his legitimized bastard son.	#14	1	0	0	0	0	1
Trystane Martell Prince Doran Martell's son, and heir to Dorne. He is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon, and accompanies her back to King's Landing to serve on the Small Council.	#38	1	0	0	0	0	1
Ramsay Bolton The legitimized bastard son of Roose Bolton, now Warden of the North. He is fond of the Bolton tradition of flaying their enemies.	#11	1	0	0	0	0	1
Jorah Mormont The exiled head of House Mormont. Jorah was previously one of Daenerys Targaryen's most trusted advisors before his banishment. He returned to her service during a revolt in the fighting pits of Meereen, and now travels with Daario Naharis to rescue Daenerys, who has disappeared along with one of her dragons, Drogon.	#26	0	0	0	0	0	0
Gilly A wildling who lived north of the Wall. After she befriended Samwell Tarly, she escaped with him to Castle Black, and now sails with him to Oldtown as Sam begins his Maester's training.	#47	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		40	10	9	3	5	13

Kills

22:19 (+10) Tommen Baratheon:

After witnessing the wildfire explosion at the Sept of Baelor, Tommen removes his crown and leaps from the balcony to his death. (Kill of Named Character)

NOOOOOOOO YOU POOR SWEET BOY
-alicehanners

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2016 Jun 27
Nooo Tommen King's Landing is not supposed to be taken literally! -nyan

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2016 Jun 27 stephen.davignon and Ser Vincent like this
Suicides get double points for dying and killing? Lol, nice... -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27
Tommen the kingslayer (runs in the family) -jimwangerin

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Political Wins

34:57 (+3) Melisandre:

Melisandre admits to sacrificing Shireen after being exposed by Davos Seaworth, but manages to convince Jon Snow to spare her in the face of the looming White Walker threat.

Melisandre: "I've been ready to die for many years. If the Lord was done with me, so be it, but he's not. You've seen the Night King, Jon Snow. You know the great war is still to come. You know the army of the dead will be upon us soon. And you know I can help you win that war."
Jon Snow: "Ride south today. If you return to the North, I'll have you hanged as a murderer." (Convincing Argument)

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I would say survival in that circumstance is evidence of a convincing argument. She had just confessed to murder yet sh's being set free. We'd have to look at the severity of the crime. If you were accused of murder in front of the Sheriff and you confess, but then argue of your use in the world and your spared the penalty of murder, I'd say your argument was convincing. Jon seals the deal on this one when he threatens that he'll "have her hanged for murder" if she returns. That means he's knowingly releasing a murderer. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 28
I don't think it's clear enough that she convinced Jon to do one thing or another. All we have on Jon's position is "Do you have anything to say for yourself?" which could be considered like a "any last words?" question, but it's just totally apparent what he initially had in mind. -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 29
With all that we know about Jon Snow, I don't think that there was any doubt that he would have had her killed had she not convinced him otherwise. He executed Janos Slynt for disobeying a direct order from the Lord Commander. Considering Melisandre admitted to burning an innocent girl alive, there is no way his default decision wouldn't have been to kill her. But she managed to convince him to not kill her, so I think she should definitely be rewarded points-wise for still being alive even if she was exiled. I don't think we have a prescedent that a character needs to get everything they're arguing for to get the points, so I think successfully convincing Jon to let her live is good enough for points -cfitzgerald

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43:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Daario to accept his assignment to stay behind in Meereen as its ruler.
Daario: "You'll get that throne you want so badly, I'm sure of it. I hope it brings you happiness. I pity the lords of Westeros. They have no idea what's coming for them." (Convincing Argument)

46:12 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

As they begin plans to sail to Westeros, Tyrion Lannister professes his belief in Daenerys and pledges his services to her.

Tyrion Lannister: "For what it's worth, I've been a cynic for as long as I can remember. Everyone's always asking me to believe in things - family, gods, kings, myself. It was often tempting until I saw where belief got people. So I said no, thank you to belief. And yet here I am. I believe in you. It's embarrassing, really. I'd swear you my sword, but I don't actually own a sword."
Daenerys: "It's your counsel I need."
Tyrion: "It's yours. Now and always." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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I don't know about this, because he was already a follower, starting last season. This is like saying Davos is officially following Jon Snow, when he's been following him for seasons -skywalkerdude

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2016 Jun 27 righteous and jedjackoway like this
Agreed. Tyrion definitely gets points for a new title, but I don't think Daenerys should get points because Tyrion is not a new follower. -nick.embrey

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2016 Jun 27
But he made a vow this episode to her. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27 nyan likes this
I guess it depends on when a follower is added? Not sure of the ruling if, say, a follower left then came back like maybe Jorah? Would it count twice? Also, if the follower is only counted once ever, I suppose a submission could be made at this point that Daenerys should gain the sand snakes and Olenna since Varys appears at the end in their discussion, surely this is meant to be her landing zone - Dorne. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27
I feel like it should come down to whether or not Tyrion has been scored as Dany's follower yet, either this season or last. -jedjackoway

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2016 Jun 28 alexanderdropkin likes this
On the parallel to Davos, I've actually added his Jon Snow follower points here: http://fantasora.com/event/3026. It's a very similar situation in that the characters clearly became a follower at some point, but in a very gradual process. I'm not sure how to score these aside from waiting for a semi-official kind of moment.

Looking through, I actually can't find a Daenerys score for Tyrion as a follower in S5. It's possible this was an oversight, but unless someone can pinpoint a more official declaration of allegiance for Tyrion before this, this seems like the moment for him. -nyan

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56:50 (+3) Eddard Stark:

A dying Lyanna Stark entrusts her newborn baby Jon Snow to her brother Ned. "You have to protect him. Promise me, Ned." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

0:00 (+3) Bronn:

to Jaime: "She doesn't want me, she wants your golden fingers up her twat." (Funny Line)

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23:47 (+3) Bronn:

to Jaime, after a Frey serving girl gives him the eye: "You don't even have to do anything, do you?" (Funny Line)

24:07 (+3) Bronn:

Jaime Lannister: "Those two have their eyes on you."
Bronn: "They have their eyes on *you*, cunt."
Jaime: "Not my type."
Bronn: "Not blonde enough?" (Witty Insult)

26:10 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Walder Frey: "Fear is a marvelous thing."
Jaime: "They don't fear the Freys, though. They fear the Lannisters. We gave you the Riverlands to hold the Riverlands. If we have to ride north and take them back for you every time you lose them, why do we need you?" (Witty Insult)

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Two times I think, one was indirect (asking if he fought any battles himself) and the second time the sarcastic line about what a great conqueror he is. -Laxis

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2016 Jun 28 moonbaseu92 and golub.jake like this
Added the above line. Here are the two other lines from Jaime, but I thought they were a little tame - if anything Walder Frey had the much better response lines to Jaime.

Jaime: "Have you done much fighting yourself ...back in your day?"
Walder: "The purpose of fighting is defeating your enemies, isn't it? I've defeated mine. Riverrun belonged to House Tully for a thousand years. Now it's mine. What do you call that? Victory."
Jaime: "Yes, you're a great conqueror."
Walder: "Go on, mock me, boy. You think I mind? The Tullys mocked me for years. The Starks mocked me. Where are they now? ... Here we are now, two kingslayers. We know what it's like to have them grovel to our faces and snigger behind our backs. We don't mind, do we?" -nyan

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45:19 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys: "Do you know what frightens me? I said farewell to a man who loves me. A man I thought I cared for. And I felt nothing. Just impatient to get on with it."
Tyrion: "He wasn't the first to love you and he won't be the last."
Daenerys: "Well, you have completely failed to console me." (Funny Line)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

23:54 (+5) Bronn:

Bronn drinks at the Frey-Lannister feast celebrating the retaking of Riverrun. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

40:23 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys drinks a glass of wine as Daario enters her chambers. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Deaths

22:19 (+10) Tommen Baratheon:

After witnessing the wildfire explosion at the Sept of Baelor, Tommen removes his crown and leaps from the balcony to his death. (Death)

26:42 (+0) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen's shrouded body is presented to Cersei. "He should be with his grandfather, his brother, his sister. Burn him and bury his ashes where the Sept once stood." (Dead Body Appearance)

+1 for Alliser Thorne, +1 for Roose Bolton, +1 for Ramsay Bolton, +1 for Trystane Martell, +1 for Khal Moro

Special

24:08 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Bronn converses with Jaime about the women at the Frey-Lannister feast.
Jaime: "Not my type."
Bronn: "Not blonde enough?" (Special)

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