Matchup: Bran's Legs will be King! vs Hodor 4 Pres for Ep 2

Bran's Legs will be King! (baxendale.timothy)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Deaths	Special
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and the current Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. After guiding the Wildlings to safety in the aftermath of the Battle of Castle Black and the attack on Hardhome, he was betrayed by a mutiny of the Night's Watch, and left for dead in the snow.	#7	7	0	0	0	4	3
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#26	6	0	0	0	0	6
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#2	6	0	3	0	0	3
Yara Greyjoy Theon's older sister, Yara was raised on the Iron Islands as a true Ironborn. She is a fearsome fighter and commands a longship of her own.	#23	3	0	0	3	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, bannermen to the Lannisters. He defeated Prince Oberyn Martell in a trial by combat for Tyrion Lannister's role in King Joffrey's death, although he was gravely injured in the fight. He appears to have recovered (in some form) under Grand Maester Qyburn's care, and returns to serve as a member of the Kingsguard.	#10	2	2	0	0	0	0
Benjen Stark First Ranger of the Night's Watch - in S1 he disappeared on a ranging north of the Wall and his whereabouts since then are unknown.	#15	0	0	0	0	0	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities, and now serves as Master of Whispers in King's Landing.	#31	0	0	0	0	0	0
Alliser Thorne A former master-of-arms and acting Commander of the Night's Watch, Thorne narrowly lost the Lord Commander choosing to Jon Snow in S5. He later led a mutiny of disgruntled Night's Watch members against Jon Snow, stabbing and leaving him for dead.	#18	0	0	0	0	0	0
Timett Leader of the Burned Men, one of the hill tribes living in the west of the Vale.	#39	0	0	0	0	0	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#34	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		24	2	3	3	4	12

Hodor 4 Pres (zach77bringman)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Special
Ramsay Bolton The legitimized bastard son of Roose Bolton, now Warden of the North. He is fond of the Bolton tradition of flaying their enemies.	#6	34	22	9	3	0
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	#19	9	0	0	6	3
Davos Seaworth Ser Davos is a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	#22	9	0	6	3	0
Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, and formerly a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall. Although they have met in battle more than once, he bears a grudging respect for Jon Snow.	#30	8	2	3	3	0
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre served as a close advisor to Stannis Baratheon until she abandoned his cause at the Battle of Winterfell against the Boltons.	#11	6	0	3	0	3
Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun A Wildling Giant, who fought in the Battle of Hardhome and was one of the few to escape.	#38	5	2	0	0	3
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	#3	0	0	0	0	0
White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	#27	0	0	0	0	0
Missandei A freed slave from Astapor, who serves Daenerys as an advisor and translator.	#35	0	0	0	0	0
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	#14	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		71	26	21	15	9

Kills

10:59 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund cuts down the first of Alliser Thorne's men who is foolish enough to charge at him. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

11:17 (+2) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Weg rips down one of Ser Alliser Thorne's crossbowman from the battlements after he looses a bolt at him. He's smashed against the castle wall, and then thrown across the courtyard, prompting the rest of the Night's Watch to throw down their weapons. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

14:08 (+2) Gregor Clegane (The Mountain):

Zombie Gregor smashes in the head of a King's Landing drunk who was spreading stories about Cersei. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

32:49 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay stabs his father Roose in the gut upon news that Fat Walda has borne Roose a second son. (Kill of Named Character)

37:07 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay offers up fresh meat to his hounds in the form of Fat Walda Frey. (Kill of Named Character)

37:07 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay offers up fresh meat to his hounds in the form of his newborn half-brother.
Fat Walda: "Please, Ramsay. He's your brother."
Ramsay: "I prefer being an only child." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Sadly Roose didn't stick around long enough to give the baby a name. Ramsay needs to think long-term strategy if he's going for the fantasy point crown. -nyan

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I was up against a Ramsay this week so I was holding my breath hoping he wouldn't name the kid before killing him -bookworm13457

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His thirst for blood rivals his "mad dogs" -10100100101

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2016 May 2

Political Wins

5:31 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers Hodor's real name - Willas - and that he used to be able to talk while going back to the future with the Three-Eyed Raven. (Secret Discovery)

9:53 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos takes up Longclaw (Jon Snow's Valyrian sword) as he and the other Night's Watchmen prepare to defend against Ser Alliser Thorne. "I've never been much of a fighter... Apologies for what you're about to see." (New Weapon)

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So will Jon next week get points when he reclaims longclaw? -Reaper

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2016 May 2
Yes, I would think. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 2
Yep, Jon will get them back. It's like WWE wrestling titles, you get to be a two-time title holder because you screwed up and lost it to someone else in-between. -nyan

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10:12 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund successfully leads the Wildlings to victory at Castle Black, after Ser Alliser Thorne and his men throw down their weapons after a display of Wun Wun's force. (Victorious Battle)

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32:49 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay stabs his father Roose in the gut upon news that Fat Walda has borne Roose a second son.
Roose: "You'll always be my first born."
Ramsay: "Thank you for saying that. It means a great deal to me." (Act of Betrayal)

35:30 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay leads Fat Walda Frey and his newborn half-brother to a kennel full of his hungry hounds instead of to Lord Bolton. "Of course. Follow me mother." (Act of Betrayal)

36:13 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay becomes the new Lord Bolton after killing his father, Roose.
Fat Walda Frey: "Where is Lord Bolton?"
Ramsay: "I am Lord Bolton." (New Title)

48:00 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos convinces Melisandre to make an attempt to revive Jon Snow after she has lost faith in the Lord of Light in their long-awaited Disney moment. "I'm not a devout man, obviously. Seven Gods, Drowned Gods, Tree Gods, it's all the same. I'm not asking the Lord of Light for help. I'm asking the woman who showed me that miracles exist." (Convincing Argument)

You get points for killing a named character but not for resurrecting a named character? Melisandre deserves some points here. -ellen.heitman

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2016 May 2 moonbaseu92, coconnor723, bw.hitman89, megharr36, 3 others like this
Absolutely agree here
-charliestpierre

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2016 May 2
For more discussion on Melisandre's scoring, check out: http://fantasora.com/event/2086 -nyan

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2016 May 2
If anything she convinced him to come back to life -calafr4gilistic

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52:16 (+3) Melisandre:

Melisandre invokes her pleas to the Lord of Light in an attempt to resurrect Jon Snow. After several minutes and of killing the hopes of everyone in the room, Jon is left alone and suddenly awakes, gasping for breath. God damn lag. (New Follower/Prisoner)

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There's a lot of other good discussion around bigger wholesale changes to the rule. As I said before, it's too unfair to existing players who made draft decisions based on rules at the beginning of the season. We'll incorporate these suggestions into a new ruleset, which league admins will be able to opt into. We'll have more discussion for that and announce a final set of changed closer to midseason. -nyan

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2016 May 3 nsimmonds likes this
Pretty retarded that she gets 2 points less for bringing, arguably, the most important character in the show back from the dead than Thyrion gets for filling his glass with wine.
As for the people that "made draft decisions based on rules at the beginning", I think these people would be much more supportive of awarding over 3 points to Melisandre for her mitzvah than to awarding some weak prince 99 points for walking around. -jshragie

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2016 May 3 righteous likes this
ooohhhh salty. Honestly, as someone who drafted Mel, I think it'd be pretty unfair to give her anything more than maybe 5 here. 3 seems fine. -nsimmonds

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Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

9:49 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos as he takes Jon's sword and rallies the men against Ser Alliser Thorne: "I've never been much of a fighter... Apologies for what you're about to see." (Funny Line)

11:48 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Alliser Thorne: "For thousands of years, the Night's Watch has held Castle Black against the Wildlings."
Tormund: "Until you." (Witty Insult)

22:45 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion: "Dragons are intelligent ... They have affection for their friends and fury for their enemies. I am their friend."
Varys: "Do *they* know that?" (Funny Line)

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22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys shakes his head and tsks as Tyrion pours out a glass of wine during a meeting of the Meereenese advising council. (Funny Line)

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@Alice, what other funny faces do you think will need to be re-counted if this is enabled? And does the distinction that it comes with a line (even if it's just a small vocal tick from Varys) make it easier to enforce? -nyan

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2016 May 3
I only really want to rewatch both episodes for funny faces if you're seriously considering it, but I can think of several moments when people shrugged, raised their eyebrows, made a weird face, etc and it was funny but no words were spoken. -alicehanners

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2016 May 3
Adding it for now, but we'll see if it opens up a bad can of worms. The spirit of the category is to reward the really good moments written into the show that illicit a solid reaction from the viewer. Insults that make you go "ooh what a burn", threats that you make gulp in sympathy with the target, or funny lines that make you actually laugh. I don't doubt that we can find a handful of weird faces if we're looking really hard for them, but I don't think there are many that were good enough to spark an actual reaction from the audience, and this definitely seemed like one.

That said, everyone's laugh-meter is calibrated to a different level, so if facial expressions and small vocal ticks end up having a much higher variability of opinion vs the spoken lines, we'll revisit and maybe revoke this one. -nyan

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36:46 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay rejects Fat Walda Frey's please for her son's life.
Fat Walda: "Please, Ramsay. He's your brother."
Ramsay: "I prefer being an only child." (Threat)

Is this really a threat? This seems like a very explicit "I'm going to kill you guys now."

Would a character saying "now, die!" while delivering a killing blow count as a threat? This feels like that to me. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 2 Lem Lemoncake, bookworm13457, moonbaseu92 like this
"Now, die!", "You're an idiot", or other plainly-spoken lines aren't good enough for this category. I think "I prefer being an only child" is not quite as literal/plain as any of those examples - it's like a trivialization of Fat Walda's pleas for her sons life that shows how coldly sociopathic Ramsay is (his simple *preference* outweighs the life of a baby). But beyond wether the line is literal or plain, we'll certainly listen to feedback on whether a line passes the subjective quality bar. -nyan

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2016 May 2
If it doesn't count as a threat it should count as wit. -nsimmonds

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I think that makes sense. From that definition of threat, this seems legit. -jedjackoway

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38:56 (+3) Yara Greyjoy:

Yara: "Deepwood Motte was our last stronghold on the mainland."
Balon: "Then we will take more."
Yara: "Why? For more pinecones and rocks?" (Witty Insult)

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Deaths

7:46 (+2) Jon Snow:

Jon's body on the table as Ser Alliser Thorne prepares to break into the room that Davos Seaworth and the other loyal Night's Watch have barricaded themselves in. (Dead Body Appearance)

47:04 (+2) Jon Snow:

Melisandre cleans off the stabbed and bloody body of Jon Snow and begins the incantations to the Lord of Light in an attempt to resurrect him. (Dead Body Appearance)

Special

2:33 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into the weirwood net with the assistance of the Three-Eyed Raven, and visits a scene of a yound Ned and Benjen Stark play-fighting in Winterfell. (Special)

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We see Bran Warging in the beginning of the episode. He lets go (that's 1).

Then we see him Warg again, into the Ned/Willis Scene (That's 2). -klov3r

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2016 May 3
warg -emilien.raggi

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2016 May 3
@klov3r I don't think there was anything aside from the flashback to Winterfell scene. We get the GoT title sequence, then a fade-in of Bran and Three-Eyed Raven stoned out among the weirwood branches with their eyes whited out. Then we just cut immediately to Ned and Benjen fighting. -nyan

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2016 May 3

9:28 (+3) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Wun is struck by a crossbow bolt in the back. He promptly turns around and demolishes the the Night's Watchman who fired it. (Special)

21:24 (+6) Grey Worm :

After getting some R&R from hands-on fighting Grey Worm and hitting the books (his pet name for Missandei), Grey Worm shows off his expanding vocabulary with his first ever three-syllable words in the Westerosi common tongue.

in Meereenese council meeting: "We are searching for the men who burned the ships, but *nobody* saw *anything*." (Special)

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22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys just can't get away from the eunuch references after he judgmentally stares at Tyrion downing another cup of wine.
Tyrion: "If I lost my cock, I'd drink all the time. *looks at Greyworm* ...meaning no offense. He makes dwarf jokes, I make eunuch jokes." (Special)

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29:18 (+3) Jon Snow:

Roose Bolton: "Jon Snow is a bastard, not a Stark." (Special)

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45:54 (+3) Melisandre:

"Everything I believed, the great victory I saw in the flames, all of it was a lie. You were right all along. The Lord never spoke to me." (Special)

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