Matchup: sucken size up vs Renly's Rear Guard for Ep 9

sucken size up (arianamrusso)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Wine	Deaths	Special
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and the current Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. After guiding the Wildlings to safety in the aftermath of the Battle of Castle Black and the attack on Hardhome, he was betrayed by a mutiny of the Night's Watch, and left for dead in the snow.	#13	71	45	9	5	0	12
Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his legitimized bastard son.	#20	1	0	0	0	1	0
Alliser Thorne A former master-of-arms and acting Commander of the Night's Watch, Thorne narrowly lost the Lord Commander choosing to Jon Snow in S5. He later led a mutiny of disgruntled Night's Watch members against Jon Snow, stabbing and leaving him for dead.	#45	1	0	0	0	1	0
Nymeria Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastards, known as Sand Snakes. She wields a whip.	#52	0	0	0	0	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, bannermen to the Lannisters. He defeated Prince Oberyn Martell in a trial by combat for Tyrion Lannister's role in King Joffrey's death, although he was gravely injured in the fight. He appears to have recovered (in some form) under Grand Maester Qyburn's care, and returns to serve as a member of the Kingsguard.	#4	0	0	0	0	0	0
Lancel Lannister A cousin to the Lannister children. In a past life he was a stuttering servant to King Robert Baratheon and secret consort to his cousin Queen Cersei Lannister. Lancel now serves as a leading member of the Sparrows, a dangerously militant religious group whose power over King's Landing is growing.	#36	0	0	0	0	0	0
Mace Tyrell The head of House Tyrell and Lord of Highgarden. He is the father of Loras and Margaery. While bumbling and appearing incompetent, he heads a powerful House and serves as both Master of Ships and Master of Coin on King Tommen Baratheon's Small Council.	#61	0	0	0	0	0	0
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	#29	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		73	45	9	5	2	12

Renly's Rear Guard (rblaine.morris)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Deaths	Special
Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun A Wildling Giant, who fought in the Battle of Hardhome and was one of the few to escape.	-	29	16	0	0	10	3
Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. Sansa has spent many of her past years as prisoner to the Lannisters and more recently, House Bolton, the new Warden of the North. Currently she is married to Ramsay, the heir of House Bolton, who keeps her imprisoned in Winterfell and tortures her sadistically. During the Bolton battle against Stannis Baratheon's forces, Sansa escapes over the Winterfell walls with the help of Theon Greyjoy, and the two make their way as far from the Boltons as possible. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	#8	16	10	3	3	0	0
Edmure Tully Catelyn Stark's brother, and the heir to House Tully and Riverrun. He is held as a prisoner of Lord Walder Frey after the betrayal at the Red Wedding.	-	0	0	0	0	0	0
Lyanna Mormont The head of House Mormont	-	0	0	0	0	0	0
Euron Greyjoy An uncle to Theon Greyjoy, Euron is an infamous pirate who has terrorized seas all around the world. He is described as cunning, ruthless, and with a touch of madness.	#24	0	0	0	0	0	0
Harald Karstark A northern lord. The son of Rickard Karstark, who was beheaded by Robb Stark for treason.	-	0	0	0	0	0	0
White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	#9	0	0	0	0	0	0
Beric Dondarrion Lord of Blackhaven, bannermen to House Baratheon. He now leads the Brotherhood Without Banners, an outlaw fighting group in the Riverlands.	#60	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		45	26	3	3	10	3

Kills

39:07 (+2) Jon Snow:

After stumbling between the charging cavalry forces in a daze, Jon scores his first kill, knocking a Bolton soldier off his horse and then finishing him off on the ground. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

39:10 (+12) Jon Snow:

Jon cuts down six more soldiers on the battlefield as he dodges charging cavalry and arrow barrages streaming from the sky. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

40:17 (+6) Jon Snow:

Jon cuts down 3 more Bolton soldiers in between arrow barrages from Ramsay's archers. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

40:38 (+8) Jon Snow:

Jon cuts down 4 more Bolton soldiers as the mounds of bodies begin to pile up on the battlefield. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

41:43 (+2) Jon Snow:

Jon slits the throat of a Bolton soldier shortly after Davos and Smalljon Umber charge into the fray. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

42:00 (+2) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Wun bitch slaps a beheaded Bolton rider and his horse into oblivion as they charge into battle. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Get out the way! http://i.imgur.com/o8AODqU -nyan

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2016 Jun 21
The dude was already missing his head. Wun Wun should get two fewer points. He only killed the horse. Though does that even count for points? Did Benjen get points for killing a rabbit? -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 22 nyan likes this
Forever impressed by how diligent you guys are. Yes it was a headless horseman! https://i.imgur.com/Tb01gQN.png

And yes, animal kills count as well. Here's Benjen's rabbit kill: http://fantasora.com/event/2597 -nyan

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2016 Jun 22
I can't take too much credit for it. I thought something was up with that rider when I first watched, but Reddit did the real legwork -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 23

43:34 (+2) Jon Snow:

Jon stabs through a Bolton soldier as his forces attempt to break through the encircling Bolton army. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

43:38 (+10) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Wun smacks away 5 soldiers on the frontline of the Bolton shield formation. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Counted by the five toppled shields after Wun Wun's hit: https://i.imgur.com/YzR2lEu -nyan

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2016 Jun 21
While this was cool, sorely missed the tree-equipped Wun Wun last year that just swatted away hordes of wights at Hardhome like nothing. -nyan

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2016 Jun 21 Lem Lemoncake, paolarodelas, alicehanners like this
Yeah, he seemed like a someone extremely unmotivated at playing whatever they played. I don't quite understand why he didn't throw the thousands of corpses that were all around him into the shieldwalls or simply jumped lol -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 21
I thought wun weg was sweet, and it basically explained how bad jon's plan was. He rushed in basically knowing he was gonna lose. Losing didnt seem important to wun. being on the right side, and maybe some added significance that he really knows who the true enemy is. just my humble opinion -crisbell22

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2016 Jun 23

43:40 (+2) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

After swiping away a hole in the Bolton shield formation, Wun Wun plucks a Bolton soldier out from the interior line and flings him into the air. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

43:54 (+4) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow cuts down two more Bolton soldiers. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

44:19 (+2) Jon Snow:

Jon cuts down another Bolton soldier. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

44:25 (+2) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Wun plucks another Bolton soldier out of the shield formation, ripping him in half with his bare hands. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

45:18 (+2) Jon Snow:

Jon uses a spin move to dodge and cut down a Bolton soldier from behind. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

52:21 (+5) Jon Snow:

After the Stark forces breach the Winterfell walls, Ramsay challenges Jon to single combat: "You suggested one-on-one combat, didn't you? I've reconsidered. I think that sounds like a wonderful idea."

Jon blocks all three of Ramsay's longbow shots with a Mormont shield, and finally moves in close enough to Ramsay to pummel him into the ground. (Major Injury of Named Character)

57:17 (+10) Sansa Stark:

Sansa feeds the imprisoned Ramsay to his own hounds.

Ramsay: "My hounds will never harm me."
Sansa: "You haven't fed them in seven days. You said it yourself."
Ramsay: "They're loyal beasts."
Sansa: "They were. Now they're starving." (Kill of Named Character)

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Ramsay starved the hounds until they were hungry enough to eat him. Maybe he should get the kill. -twalters

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2016 Jun 21 nyan likes this
where was ghost? -crisbell22

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2016 Jun 23
In an interview the director said Ghost was just cut for budget reasons.

"[Ghost] was in there in spades originally, but it's also an incredibly time consuming and expensive character to bring to life," the episode's director Miguel Sapochnik told Business Insider on Monday. "Ultimately we had to choose between Wun-Wun and the direwolf, so the dog bit the dust." -nyan

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2016 Jun 24

Political Wins

53:00 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa retakes Winterfell for House Stark after defeating Ramsay Bolton and the rest of the Bolton army. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

submitted by xdwxrd (approved!)

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I think it's exceptionally clear that Sansa has Winterfell and UNCLEAR that Jon has it. Jon is a Snow. Sansa is a Stark. Stark banners were unfurled. Jon may have been leading the army, but it was for the Starks. Not for himself. -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 21 taylorreneegoodrich likes this
If Ramsay was not the only person in Westeros to care about Jon's desertion from the Night's Watch, he has probably already been beheaded by Bronze Yohn, right? -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22
Jon didn't desert. He signed on for life. He died. He's free and clear to traipse all over Westeros now. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22

53:00 (+3) Jon Snow:

After Wun Wun single-handedly breaks down the Winterfell gates, Jon Snow and his forces storm in, killing the remaining garrison of Bolton soldiers and defeating Ramsay Bolton. (Victorious Battle)

53:00 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon retakes Winterfell for House Stark after defeating Ramsay Bolton and the rest of the Bolton army. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Unclear who is really in charge at Winterfell right at the moment, especially without Rickon as the only known surviving trueborn son. I suspect we'll get a much clearer idea in E10, when we find out what Sansa's arrangement with Littlefinger is. -nyan

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2016 Jun 21
He isn't a Stark. stark banners were unfurled. These points should go to Sansa. -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 21 Lem Lemoncake likes this
If we're going with consistency, per last episode's scoring of Riverrun, these points are Jon's -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 21

54:23 (+3) Jon Snow:

After being defeated in one-on-one combat, Ramsay is imprisoned in the kennels of Winterfell. (New Follower/Prisoner)

He clearly gives him to Sansa. Again, these should be her points, or they should both get points. -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 21
Given that Sansa has to ask Jon where he is, it seems Ramsay is Jon's prisoner at first. Good question on whether Jon telling her his location is actually transferring prisoner status over to Sansa. Personally I think Jon would be upset with Sansa's actions (in all his previous executions he's been very into the Stark "he who passes the sentence should swing the sword" style). -nyan

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2016 Jun 21 alexanderdropkin likes this
If you watch the behind the scenes, they say Jon stops beating him because he realizes Ramsay isn't his to kill when he looks over at Sansa.

I do not think he'd have a problem with Ramsay's death. -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 23

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

55:38 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Ramsay: "Your words will disappear. Your house will disappear. Your name will disappear. All memory of you will disappear." (Threat)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

17:55 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon takes a sip of wine when discussing battle strategy with Sansa after everyone else has left the roundtable (Glass of Wine Consumed)

submitted by as38 (approved!)

Deaths

51:38 (+10) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

An arrow-riddled Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun is finished off by an arrow through the eye from Ramsay Bolton shortly after he bashes down the Winterfell gates to allow the rest of the Wildling and Stark forces through. (Death)

+1 for Alliser Thorne, +1 for Roose Bolton

Special

0:00 (+3) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Wun emerges from the battle impaled by numerous arrow wounds, but valiantly follows Jon and Tormund as they track down a retreating Ramsay. (Special)

submitted by stefanik62 (approved!)

I definitely think so. I think the argument against this was that we didn't see the arrows go in, but we saw the arrows "loosed" and then saw him full of arrows.

I think, for instance, in the season where Joffrey kills Roz, it shows her full of arrows right after he is done shooting her, and he has the crossbow. Just because we don't specifically see it doesn't mean it wouldn't count as him killing her. Same logic applies, you see the weapon, you see the injury, just because you don't see the exact second of arrow penetration doesn't mean it shouldn't logically count. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 Jun 21 emilien.raggi and jedjackoway like this
The criteria for each category is a little different, so I wouldn't automatically use the Kills rules for Wun Wun's special. A character with an empty glass for example, never gets an implied drink score.

I suppose this is moot now that Wun Wun's gone, but I would think about how you would want to reward Wun Wun's scenes. He's a big target, so him getting hit by arrows in a battle is inevitable. The S6E2 scene where he gets hit by the crossbow, shrugs it off, and completely wastes the guy who shot him is sort of the prototypical scene for this special - should the off-screen arrow hits be rewarded the same way?

Also I've been doing a Wun Wun-only rewatch of the battle scenes, and there is actually one other spear jab that I found towards the end of the encirclement. He actually screams in pain from that one, so perhaps it isn't automatic that "Wun Wun has arrows in him" => "he shrugged them off". -nyan

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2016 Jun 21
I mean, if I was that full of arrows I wouldn't still be going full tilt towards the gates of Winterfell. Just because we didn't see them go in doesn't mean none of them should count, especially when he is still being completely bad ass with them in. I would say that is the equivalent of shrugging off an injury, he definitely keeps playing through the pain. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 Jun 22 emilien.raggi likes this
I'd say, since we did see the Wun Wun with the arrows in him, and this _is_ his special, at least some of them should count. I think though that's it's also fair to say that by the time he had breached the gate of Winterfell, that they were taking a toll, so were no longer being 'shrugged off'. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22
like taylorreneegodrich and dopeghoti -emilien.raggi

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2016 Jun 22

12:35 (+3) Jon Snow:

Ramsay Bolton: "Come, bastard. You don't have the men, you don't have the horses, and you don't have Winterfell." (Special)

13:32 (+3) Jon Snow:

Ramsay Bolton: "I keep hearing stories about you, bastard." (Special)

15:35 (+3) Jon Snow:

Ramsay Bolton: "We'll find out soon enough. In the morning, then, bastard." (Special)

18:49 (+3) Jon Snow:

Sansa Stark: "Rickon is Ned Stark's trueborn son, which makes him a greater threat to Ramsay than you, a bastard, or me, a girl." (Special)

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