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Ramsay Bolton

The Berkeley League GoT S5

drafted by The Hound Lives!

+1 for each food item he punctures or slices
+1 point for every scene featuring an act of torture.

Raw Stats

Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Thrones	Deaths	Special	Feels
95	22	12	15	25	15	0	0	6	0

Event Log

Kills

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

13:31 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay tells his father about the flaying of Lord Cerwyn. His body, flayed of all skin, is hung from the walls of Moat Cailin.
Ramsay: "Lord Cerwyn refused to pay. He said the Warden of the North will always be a Stark, and he'd be damned if he kissed a traitor's boot."
Roose Bolton: "You left him no choice."
Ramsay: "I flayed him living, along with his wife and brother. I made his son watch ... The new Lord Cerwyn paid his taxes." (Kill of Named Character)

13:47 (+4) Ramsay Bolton:

The wife and brother of Lady Cerwyn were killed by Ramsay Bolton - their flayed bodies were hung on display from the walls of Moat Cailin. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Seriously contesting all of Ramsay's kill points. Does it count if it happens off-screen, before the character's first scene in the episode? If so, don't we need to count implied kills whenever a character is in a battle? This is setting a weird precedent, I think. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 28 nyan and megharr36 like this
Yeah, I think there's a reasonable debate on both sides of this. I think if Ramsay simply *said* he killed these people, it wouldn't count. However in this case, we're shown all three flayed bodies in the scene preceding this one. So the precedent would be that we are shown bodies + details of the kill (enough to confirm the killer).

Some previous examples of this:
S1E2: The Hound credited with a kill after he returns with Mycah's body, though we never see the actual kill.
S1E7: Robert credited with the boar kill after he tells the story about it - we never see the actual kill (though I believe the boar is later shown?).
S2E7: Theon credited with 2 kills after we are shown the two charred bodies of the orphan boys in Winterfell - we never see the actual killing.
S2E8: Jaqen credited with 4 kills of Lannister soldiers at Harrenhal. We never see the actual killing.
S2E8: Dagmer credited with 2 kills after he tells Theon about the farmer and wife that he also killed along with the orphan boys. We actually don't even see bodies in this case.
S2E9: Ser Mandon Moore catches 3 deserters, and Cersei orders all three of them to be executed (and Ilyn Payne heads off to do so). In hindsight this is strong candidate to be rescinded, as there's no actual confirmation.
S4E10: Daenerys is credited for Drogon's kill of the Meereenese villager's daughter. We are shown the charred bones of the girl, but are never shown the actual kill.

I think there's a fair argument to take a hard line and say only explicit on-screen kills count, but that would invalidate most of the above examples. Other lines could be drawn at "must be shown the body" and/or "must get explicit details to determine who did the kill." I'm open to hearing opinions on where the kill cutoff is, but either way it sounds like we'll definitely get a new precedent established for the rulebook, which is always great. -nyan

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2015 Apr 28 moonbaseu92, tim.sheehan, Reaper, alicehanners like this

Episode 7: The Gift

8:12 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Sansa emerges from her bed, showing the bruises that have been inflicted on her by Ramsay. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

15:42 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay has the old woman who attempted to help Sansa flayed and killed. "Tough old bird. Everyone talks when I start peeling them. But this one, her heart gave out before I even got to her face." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Isn't that an act of torture? -chadhazellief

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2015 May 26
It would be, but I'm not sure about counting it as it happened off-screen. The kills were counted based on the prior precedent that dead bodies + explanation on how they were killed is good enough to count as a kill. But should off-screen torture count for Ramsay's special? "+1 point for every scene featuring an act of torture."

Submit it and see what others think? -nyan

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2015 May 26 chadhazellief likes this
Yeah, I think there's a reasonable debate on both sides of this. I think if Ramsay simply *said* he killed these people, it wouldn't count. However in this case, we're shown all three flayed bodies in the scene preceding this one. So the precedent would be that we are shown bodies + details of the kill (enough to confirm the killer).

You said that week 3 and he got like 16 points -chadhazellief

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2015 May 27
That precedent still holds for Kills. I'm wondering if it's something that should be extended to the Specials category as well. Some things to run through the thought experiment:

* If Sansa says that she "cried all night", and looks sad (but not crying), would she get a special point?
* If Brienne yells at Podrick "I can't believe you burned down the tent last night!", but we never see the burning (only the charred tent), does it count?

Hmm, as I think of it more... we give Sex points for the scenes where they're just in bed afterwards, too. I think you have a good case that the torture should count. Go ahead and submit them in! -nyan

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2015 May 27

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

16:12 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay stabs through the remaining Baratheon soldier as he mops up the wounded soldiers on the battlefield near Winterfell. "Looks like we're done here." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

16:43 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay stabs the back of a crawling Baratheon soldier as he mops up the battlefield outside Winterfell.
Baratheon soldier: "I surrender! I surrender!"
Ramsay: "And I accept your surrender." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

Episode 6: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

50:05 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay Bolton and Sansa Stark are wed.
Theon: "Sansa, of the House Stark comes here to be wed. A woman grown, trueborn and noble. She comes to beg the blessings of the Gods. Who comes to claim her?
Ramsay: "Ramsay, of House Bolton." (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 7: The Gift

10:03 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay discovers Sansa's attempt to call for help after he encounters Reek at the top of the broken tower, prepared to light a signal candle. (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 9: The Dance of Dragons

3:01 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay and his band of "twenty men" sneak into Stannis Baratheon's camp in the middle of the night and set fire to the Baratheon food and war supplies.
Ser Davos: "They were in and out before anyone spotted them. Burnt our food stores to the ground, all our siege weapons destroyed."
(Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

16:12 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay Bolton handily defeats the broken and dispirited forces of Stannis Baratheon in the battle outside Winterfell. "Looks like we're done here." (Politics - uncategorized)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

18:47 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Myranda: "I saw you staring at her (Sansa)."
Ramsay: "I'm going to marry her. That will involve looking at her from time to time." (Funny Line)

19:16 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Miranda: "Do you think she's pretty?"
Ramsay: "Of course I do. I'm not blind. " (Funny Line)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

29:16 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

about Theon: "He's not Ironborn anymore. Not Theon Greyjoy anymore. He's a new man... a new person, anyway." (Witty Insult)

32:19 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

to Roose Bolton: "How can you be sure... that she's pregnant? I mean... [spacing gesture indicate Fat Walda's size] ...how can you tell?" (Witty Insult)

Episode 6: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

52:30 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay reminds Sansa to remove her clothes: "Do I need to ask a second time? I hate asking a second time." (Threat)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

25:47 (+5) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay drinks while talking with Reek. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

28:09 (+5) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay drinks after proposing a toast to Sansa Stark. "My lady, we are all a family, we Northerners. Our blood ties go back thousands of years. So I'd like to drink to our wedding. May our happiness spread from Moat Cailin to the Last Hearth." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

32:07 (+5) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay drinks again from his refilled cup, after Roose Bolton announces that Fat Walda Frey is pregnant. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

33:13 (+5) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay drinks while discussing the Bolton line of succession with his father Roose Bolton. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

33:38 (+5) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay refills his cup as Roose Bolton tells him the story of her mother. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

20:49 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay takes Myranda from behind after their lover's quarrel over Ramsay's marriage to Sansa Stark. (Act of Intercourse)

Episode 6: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

53:44 (+5) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay rapes Sansa Stark on their wedding night. "Reek... I told you to watch. You've known Sansa since she was a girl. Now watch her become a woman." (Act of Intercourse)

Special

Episode 6: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

52:10 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay makes Reek stay in the bedchamber to watch him rape Sansa. "Oh, no, no, no. You stay here, Reek. You watch." (Special)

53:03 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay tortures Sansa Stark on their wedding night by raping her with Reek (Theon Greyjoy) watching. "Reek... I told you to watch. You've known Sansa since she was a girl. Not watch her become a woman." (Special)

Ramsay gets +1 for every scene of torture, why are these both +3? It was just 1 scene. -alicehanners

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2015 May 26
NM, I see that they're all +1/+3. -alicehanners

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2015 May 26
Yeah, the wording there is a little confusing as the +1's are from before category "weights" were introduced. Internally they're recorded as +1 Special Point, x3 Special Multiplier (but it was an x1 or x2 multiplier in older leagues). After this season I'll change all the "+1" text to eliminate confusion, and also try to give a better breakdown of how the points summed up (lots of confusion about how they sex points are counted up, for example). -nyan

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2015 May 26

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