Matchup: fallBeforeWinter vs Dances with Direwolves for Ep 2

fallBeforeWinter (silkwire)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Deaths	Special
Euron Greyjoy An uncle to Theon Greyjoy, Euron is an infamous pirate who has terrorized seas all around the world. He is described as cunning, ruthless, and with a touch of madness.	#31	13	10	0	3	0	0
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	#15	9	0	0	6	0	3
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#18	6	0	3	0	0	3
Areo Hotah The personal bodyguard for Doran Martell.	#50	1	0	0	0	1	0
Grand Maester Pycelle The Grand Maester of the Seven Kingdoms. Pycelle is highly educated and serves as an advisor to the King.	#63	0	0	0	0	0	0
Tyene Sand The youngest of Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She uses daggers and poisons as her weapons.	#47	0	0	0	0	0	0
Lancel Lannister A cousin to the Lannister children. In a past life he was a stuttering servant to King Robert Baratheon and secret consort to his cousin Queen Cersei Lannister. Lancel now serves as a leading member of the Sparrows, a dangerously militant religious group whose power over King's Landing is growing.	#34	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brienne of Tarth A skilled fighter and heir to House Tarth. A sworn sword to the late Catelyn Stark, she continues her mission to ensure the safety of the Stark girls.	#2	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		29	10	3	9	1	6

Dances with Direwolves (jennyrath)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Special
Hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor. hodor.	#37	12	0	0	0	12
Eddison Tollett A member of the Night's Watch, and one of Jon Snow's few friends on the Wall.	#28	9	0	9	0	0
Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, and formerly a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall. Although they have met in battle more than once, he bears a grudging respect for Jon Snow.	#12	8	2	3	3	0
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre served as a close advisor to Stannis Baratheon until she abandoned his cause at the Battle of Winterfell against the Boltons.	#5	3	0	3	0	0
Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun A Wildling Giant, who fought in the Battle of Hardhome and was one of the few to escape.	#60	2	2	0	0	0
White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	#21	0	0	0	0	0
Osha A wildling woman who serves the Starks. She splits off from Bran's group and travels with Rickon.	#53	0	0	0	0	0
Gilly A wildling who lived north of the Wall. After she befriended Samwell Tarly, she escaped with him to Castle Black, and now sails with him to Oldtown as Sam begins his Maester's training.	#44	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		34	4	15	3	12

Kills

10:59 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund cuts down the first of Alliser Thorne's men who is foolish enough to charge at him. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

11:17 (+2) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Weg rips down one of Ser Alliser Thorne's crossbowman from the battlements after he looses a bolt at him. He's smashed against the castle wall, and then thrown across the courtyard, prompting the rest of the Night's Watch to throw down their weapons. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

44:08 (+10) Euron Greyjoy:

Euron throws his brother Balon Greyjoy over the bridge at Pyke and into the sea. "I am the storm, brother. The first storm and the last. And you're in my way." (Kill of Named Character)

Political Wins

5:31 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers Hodor's real name - Willas - and that he used to be able to talk while going back to the future with the Three-Eyed Raven. (Secret Discovery)

10:12 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund successfully leads the Wildlings to victory at Castle Black, after Ser Alliser Thorne and his men throw down their weapons after a display of Wun Wun's force. (Victorious Battle)

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10:23 (+3) Eddison Tollett:

Edd takes control of Castle Black after rallying the Wildlings to his side and capturing Alliser Thorne and the other traitors. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

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Nah. He didn't capture Castle Black or gain command of anything. Points for throwing Alliser in the cells is accurate. -alicehanners

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2016 May 2 jedjackoway likes this
Tormund captured Castle Black, Ed gets points for convincing Tormund and the wildlings to do it. I think the question of who gets prisoner credit for Alliser and Olly is the hardest one to answer. -moonbaseu92

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2016 May 2
Personally I think Wun Wun captured Castle Black. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 2 nyan and Reaper like this
@moonbaseu92 it's definitely Edd getting credit for prisoners - he issues the "throw them into the cells where they belong" order, and basically seems like the Night's Watchman in charge of things Castle Black for now (since neither Davos nor Tormund are Night's Watch members). Tormund or Wun Wun definitely won the battle for him, but neither is going to take a leadership role at Castle Black.

Another open question which I'll leave to anyone who wants to propose it - did that fight count as a "battle", and who won it in that case? -nyan

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2016 May 3
Definitely a "battle" even if it was short-lived. There were attacks on both sides, and a lot of people involved. IMO Tormund was clearly leading the fight. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 3 jedjackoway and moonbaseu92 like this

12:06 (+6) Eddison Tollett:

Edd orders Ser Alliser Thorne, Olly, and the other traitors who killed Jon Snow to be locked up. "Throw them into the cells. Where they belong." (New Follower/Prisoner)

52:16 (+3) Melisandre:

Melisandre invokes her pleas to the Lord of Light in an attempt to resurrect Jon Snow. After several minutes and of killing the hopes of everyone in the room, Jon is left alone and suddenly awakes, gasping for breath. God damn lag. (New Follower/Prisoner)

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There's a lot of other good discussion around bigger wholesale changes to the rule. As I said before, it's too unfair to existing players who made draft decisions based on rules at the beginning of the season. We'll incorporate these suggestions into a new ruleset, which league admins will be able to opt into. We'll have more discussion for that and announce a final set of changed closer to midseason. -nyan

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2016 May 3 nsimmonds likes this
Pretty retarded that she gets 2 points less for bringing, arguably, the most important character in the show back from the dead than Thyrion gets for filling his glass with wine.
As for the people that "made draft decisions based on rules at the beginning", I think these people would be much more supportive of awarding over 3 points to Melisandre for her mitzvah than to awarding some weak prince 99 points for walking around. -jshragie

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2016 May 3 righteous likes this
ooohhhh salty. Honestly, as someone who drafted Mel, I think it'd be pretty unfair to give her anything more than maybe 5 here. 3 seems fine. -nsimmonds

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Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

11:48 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Alliser Thorne: "For thousands of years, the Night's Watch has held Castle Black against the Wildlings."
Tormund: "Until you." (Witty Insult)

22:45 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion: "Dragons are intelligent ... They have affection for their friends and fury for their enemies. I am their friend."
Varys: "Do *they* know that?" (Funny Line)

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22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys shakes his head and tsks as Tyrion pours out a glass of wine during a meeting of the Meereenese advising council. (Funny Line)

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@Alice, what other funny faces do you think will need to be re-counted if this is enabled? And does the distinction that it comes with a line (even if it's just a small vocal tick from Varys) make it easier to enforce? -nyan

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2016 May 3
I only really want to rewatch both episodes for funny faces if you're seriously considering it, but I can think of several moments when people shrugged, raised their eyebrows, made a weird face, etc and it was funny but no words were spoken. -alicehanners

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2016 May 3
Adding it for now, but we'll see if it opens up a bad can of worms. The spirit of the category is to reward the really good moments written into the show that illicit a solid reaction from the viewer. Insults that make you go "ooh what a burn", threats that you make gulp in sympathy with the target, or funny lines that make you actually laugh. I don't doubt that we can find a handful of weird faces if we're looking really hard for them, but I don't think there are many that were good enough to spark an actual reaction from the audience, and this definitely seemed like one.

That said, everyone's laugh-meter is calibrated to a different level, so if facial expressions and small vocal ticks end up having a much higher variability of opinion vs the spoken lines, we'll revisit and maybe revoke this one. -nyan

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2016 May 4 michaelfield18 likes this

42:13 (+3) Euron Greyjoy:

to Balon Greyjoy: "I am the storm, brother. The first storm and the last. And you're in my way." (Threat)

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Deaths

+1 for Areo Hotah

Special

2:33 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into the weirwood net with the assistance of the Three-Eyed Raven, and visits a scene of a yound Ned and Benjen Stark play-fighting in Winterfell. (Special)

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We see Bran Warging in the beginning of the episode. He lets go (that's 1).

Then we see him Warg again, into the Ned/Willis Scene (That's 2). -klov3r

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2016 May 3
warg -emilien.raggi

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2016 May 3
@klov3r I don't think there was anything aside from the flashback to Winterfell scene. We get the GoT title sequence, then a fade-in of Bran and Three-Eyed Raven stoned out among the weirwood branches with their eyes whited out. Then we just cut immediately to Ned and Benjen fighting. -nyan

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2016 May 3

6:54 (+9) Hodor:

"Hodor ...Hodor. Hodor." (Special)

7:53 (+3) Hodor:

"Hodor." (Special)

22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys just can't get away from the eunuch references after he judgmentally stares at Tyrion downing another cup of wine.
Tyrion: "If I lost my cock, I'd drink all the time. *looks at Greyworm* ...meaning no offense. He makes dwarf jokes, I make eunuch jokes." (Special)

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