Matchup: Damn It Feels Good To Be A Lannista vs Shoulda Zig Zagged for Ep 7

Crows Before Hoes: Volume I

Damn It Feels Good To Be A Lannista (nick.embrey)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Sex
Daenerys Targaryen Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, Mother of Dragons and Breaker of Chains. With her three dragons and army of Unsullied soldiers she carved out an empire of liberated slave cities in the east, and she now sets her sights westward as she sails for the Seven Kingdoms to reclaim the Iron Throne.	#2	10	0	0	10
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch, Samwell has been sent south to Oldtown to begin his training as a Maester. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker.	#22	6	3	3	0
Aeron Greyjoy An uncle of Theon Greyjoy, who serves as a priest to the Drowned God.	#62	0	0	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, he serves as a member of the Kingsguard and Cersei's personal muscle. He is a massive and impossibly strong warrior, although he remains speechless and zombie-like ever since being wounded in a Trial by Combat against Oberyn Martell.	#19	0	0	0	0
Obara Sand The eldest of Prince Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She wields a spear.	#39	0	0	0	0
Nymeria Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastards, known as Sand Snakes. She's into whips.	#42	0	0	0	0
Septa Unella A Septa who took exceptional pleasure in torturing Cersei Lannister while she was a prisoner of the Sparrows, ringing the shame! shame! shame! bell as she made her walk of atonement. She is now held as a prisoner of Cersei.	#59	0	0	0	0
Karsi A Wildling chieftain who was killed in the Battle of Hardhome. She appears to have been re-animated as a wight.	-	0	0	0	0
Totals		16	3	3	10

Shoulda Zig Zagged (lauramsipe)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Deaths
Euron Greyjoy The new King of the Iron Islands, after killing his brother Balon Greyjoy. He is described as cunning, ruthless, and with a touch of madness.	#10	6	0	0	6	0
Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger) Lord Protector of the Vale, Littlefinger effectively controls the Knights of the Vale through the easily manipulated Robbin Arryn. He is a master manipulator who will stop at nothing for power.	#11	5	0	0	0	5
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon is slowly recovering from physical and mental breakdown during his time as a prisoner of Ramsay Bolton. He currently accompanies his sister Yara Greyjoy, who has pledged her Ironborn forces to the cause of Daenerys Targaryen.	#30	4	1	3	0	0
Bronze Yohn Royce Head of House Royce, bannermen to House Arryn of the Vale.	#51	3	0	3	0	0
Meera Reed The eldest child of Howland Reed, bannerman to the Starks. She assists Bran in his journeys north of the Wall and is the only other surviving member of his party.	#31	0	0	0	0	0
Frey Lord (actor: Brendan Morrissey)	#70	0	0	0	0	0
Robin Arryn The young, sickly son of the late Jon Arryn and Lysa Tully. He is Lord of the Vale, although he is easily manipualted by Lord Petyr Baelish, who serves as Lord Protector until he comes of age.	#50	0	0	0	0	0
Brant A new recruit of the Night's Watch. He and Derek attempted to rape Gilly in S5, but were fended off by Samwell Tarly and Ghost.	#71	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		18	1	6	6	5

Kills

53:24 (+1) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon makes a comeback in round two with Harrag, wearing out the older Ironborn's kneecap on his impervious groin area, and then pounding him into submission. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

Harrag needs to work on cardio. He had this one in the bag. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29 hkeseyan and jake.kmiech like this
Also I thought Harrag was killed off in this one, but according to the wiki he was simply "beaten senseless" but there's no citation on that. I think we're free to make our own interpretation. They seemed to just leave Harrag lying on the beach, but I don't know whether that's a point for alive or dead. Also I'm not convinced that Theon can kill anybody with his bare fists. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29
Season finale death rule? Leaving a minor character beaten senseless, ambiguously dead or alive, on a beach with no ship, food or water in a season finale -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 29 hindsight44 and jake.kmiech like this
Yeah i dont see how Harrag is surviving this. Also what about boss fight. Theon needed to beat him for his charcter arc to continue. Also As we all know a good boss fight requires a secret strategy/weapon to defeat the boss. The "let him kick me in the balls to throw him off" strategy is epic. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 29 jake.kmiech likes this
Yeah, I think the ambiguity of whether or not he's alive is akin to Stannis' death in Season 5. We don't know for sure that he's dead after that initial scene, as we never technically see it, but his death was counted then for the same reason -jake.kmiech

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2017 Aug 29
Yeah, for this it basically becomes a judgment call we can make. This fight happens on Dragonstone I believe, so Harrag isn't completely stranded. I also think that it's also not in Theon's character to straight up kill a guy just to take away his crew.

The boss fight criteria isn't actually needed, since Harrag has a name so it'd count for full points either way. -nyan

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Political Wins

53:29 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon wins over Harrag's crew of Ironborn after punching him out on the beaches of Dragonstone. "Not for me. For Yara!" (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

59:13 (+3) Bronze Yohn Royce:

Royce rejects the command of Littlefinger, dooming him to Sansa's sentence in his 'trial' at the court of Winterfell.

Petyr Baelish: "I am Lord Protector of the Vale and I command you to escort me safely back to the Eyrie."
Yohn Royce: "I think not." (Act of Betrayal)

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69:17 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam puts the pieces of Bran's visions about Jon Snow's parentage together, remembering what Gilly told him at the Citadel about Rhaegar Targaryen's secret wedding.

"At the Citadel, I transcribed a High Septon's diary. He annulled Rhaegar's marriage to Elia. He wed Rhaegar and Lyanna in a secret ceremony." (Secret Discovery)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

18:06 (+3) Euron Greyjoy:

Tyrion: "I think we ought to begin with larger concerns."
Euron: "Then why are you talking? You're the smallest concern here." (Witty Insult)

18:24 (+3) Euron Greyjoy:

to Tyrion: "We don't even let your kind live in the Iron Islands, you know? We kill you at birth. An act of mercy for the parents." (Witty Insult)

67:52 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam: "What happened to you beyond the Wall?"
Bran Stark: "I became the Three-Eyed Raven."
Sam: "Ohhh! ...I don't know what that means." (Funny Line)

Acts of Intercourse

61:12 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys invites Jon Snow into her room so that he can properly bend the knee. (Act of Intercourse)

One boob. http://i.imgur.com/Q4NnVAU.jpg -nyan

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2017 Aug 29
Shouldn't we teeeeechnically get incest points? maybe? -williamfmarr

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2017 Aug 29
Only Cersei and Jaime get those for their special ability :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 29 jedjackoway likes this
I think it may be fun to make that a general scoring booster for the sex category. And just +1 (+5) rather than the doubling. If we can think of one more additional couple that might incest, I'll add it for S8 and the rewatches. -nyan

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2017 Sep 1 jake.kmiech likes this
And so it begins.

Quick question. The new rule which says direct contact with certain body parts including the breasts and buttoz will receive points for intercourse.

Would this include a simple pat on the butt? -hindsight44

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2019 Feb 3
Oh man it's been a year and a half, I can't wait to get back into these debate. ?

By the letter of the ruling, a pat on the butt counts. But I do agree it's a bit PG. I'd be inclined to add in an "... except butts" exception to that line. -nyan

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2019 Feb 27

Deaths

60:16 (+5) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

Littlefinger has his throat slit by Arya Stark, after his betrayals and treason are exposed by Sansa Stark in the court of Winterfell to the Northern and Vale lords.

Sansa: "Thank you for all your many lessons, Lord Baelish. I will never forget them." (Death)

Is anyone else upset with how LF went out? Until this season LF had the most unpredictable plans and was always smart enough to have someone else do the dirty work for him. This season his scheme was in your face and obvious. He always played 4 dimensional chess and this season it was 1 dimensional. Also say what you want about him but LF wouldnt beg for his life. He was willing to fight and die against Brandon Stark and also advised to risk everything because life is fleeting. I never really cared about how the show differs from the book as long as the characters stay the same. I really feel like this was a misrepresentation of LF. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 29 jake.kmiech, nyan, hkeseyan like this
I feel like they dragged his death on for so long - he was basically kept as a laying duck all season while we knew his demise was coming. He did practically nothing with the extra time he was given to live (all the failed whispering in Sansa's ear was so bad, I'd rather have LF killed off earlier than see him like that). Similar situation with Varys except they haven't built an entire plotline in a major location around his demise -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 29 hindsight44, jake.kmiech, nyan like this
Definitely, Littlefinger was always the most dangerous man in Westeros, I imagined his demise would see him get all the way to the pinnacle of power, and only then to get backstabbed by Sansa.

I'd have a hard time writing a good S7 storyline for Littlefinger though. I think they put themselves into a corner by showing Sansa was through with him and saw everything. In my fantasy storyline, Sansa is the only Stark who sees a reedeming quality in Baelish, and goes along with his schemes against the better advice of all her family and followers. And then at the pinnacle do we find out that Sansa was the one playing an even longer game, and perhaps she can actually be as selfishly power-thirsty as Arya accuses her. It'd be awesome if we had one Stark who was questionably a villain, and not all goody-goodies. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29 jake.kmiech and hindsight44 like this
Isn't Arya the villain Stark? I know that the series tries to make her somewhat sympathetic every now and then, that she is still the little Arya girl, but she actually went full blown egomaniac, sociopath and serial killer since she left King's Landing - which is even comprehensible considering her experiences and possible traumas. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 30

The Feels

48:49 (+0) Theon Greyjoy:

Jon Snow comes around to forgive Theon for his betrayals to their family.

Theon: "I always wanted to do the right thing. Be the right kind of person. But I never knew what that meant. It always seemed like there's like there was an impossible choice I had to make. Stark or Greyjoy."

Jon Snow: "Our father was more of a father to you than yours ever was. ... And you betrayed him. Betrayed his memory. ... But you never lost him. He's a part of you. Just like he's a part of me. But the things I've done It's not my place to forgive you for all of it.
But what I can forgive, I do. You don't need to choose. You're a Greyjoy and you're a Stark." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

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