Matchup: Varys My Dragons? vs KnownothingJS for Ep 1

Varys My Dragons? (annebowersox)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Special
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Recently having completed her training as an assassin in the House of Black and White, she has set sail to return to Westeros to pursue her revenge.	#8	111	94	6	3	5	3
Tormund Giantsbane Formerly a lieutenant of Mance Rayder, the King beyond the Wall, Tormund is now the de facto leader of the Wildlings and a reasoned voice in rallying them behind the cause of Jon Snow.	#21	12	0	0	6	0	6
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three (now deceased) bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.	#7	9	0	0	6	0	3
Benjen Stark The First Ranger of the Night's Watch, Benjen has been lost for some time North of the Wall after being attacked by White Walkers while north of the Wall. After being saved by the Children of the Forest, he exists in an undead state, unable to pass back south of the Wall.	#35	0	0	0	0	0	0
Nymeria Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastards, known as Sand Snakes. She's into whips.	#36	0	0	0	0	0	0
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre has demonstrated mythical skill in blood magic, most recently reviving a deceased Jon Snow. After Davos Seaworth exposes her live sacrifice of the child Shireen Baratheon, she has been exiled by Jon Snow.	#22	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		132	94	6	15	5	12

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Special
Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. After being held as a prisoner of House Bolton, Sansa managed to escape and, with the help of Jon Snow and the Knights of the Vale, defeated Ramsay Bolton to reclaim Winterfell for the Starks. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	#6	6	0	6	0
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and past, and has the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. After having encountered the Three-Eyed Raven and the Night King in the far north, he now flees back south to the Wall.	#9	6	3	0	3
Tyene Sand The youngest of Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She uses daggers and poisons as her weapons.	#37	0	0	0	0
Qyburn The new Master of Whispers in King's Landing, loyally serving Queen Cersei Lannister. A disgraced former Maester, he engages in many scientific experiments in his dungeon lab	#23	0	0	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, he serves as a member of the Kingsguard and Cersei's personal muscle. He is a massive and impossibly strong warrior, although he remains speechless and zombie-like ever since being wounded in a Trial by Combat against Oberyn Martell.	#20	0	0	0	0
Obara Sand The eldest of Prince Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She wields a spear.	#34	0	0	0	0
Totals		12	3	6	3

Masquerading as Walder Frey, Arya serves poisoned wine to a host of 47 Freys in the same dining hall where Robb and Catelyn were murdered at the Red Wedding.

"But you didn't slaughter every one of the Starks. No, no, that was your mistake. You should have ripped them all out, root and stem. Leave one wolf alive and the sheep are never safe. When people ask you what happened here tell them the North remembers. Tell them winter came for House Frey." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

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I think the scoring criteria should purely go off of what happened in the show. It's truer to what the characters actually accomplished. The existence of the character on the draft list is simply based on pre-season rumors, and this one turned out to be insignificant.

I also don't want to start weighing whether or not characters will be countable towards named kills in the pre-season, when I'm just scouring all the casting lists to give players all the options to draft from. -nyan

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2017 Jul 20
@kevinpetsky/@will.correa29, can anyone actually pick out the actor in the scene? From imdb it seems to only indicate he's in S7, not that he's in E1 specifically. -nyan

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2017 Jul 20 jake.kmiech likes this
If he doesn't show up as a named/credited Frey lord by last episode of this season, these death points should be awarded to Frey lord. -playabills

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2017 Aug 7

Political Wins

0:58 (+3) Arya Stark:

"... so I can tell you my plans for this great house, now that Winter has come". (House Words)

Questionable. Will Dany get points every time she mentions fire or blood? -alicehanners

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2017 Jul 18
Agreed. "Tell them Winter came for House Frey" was great. This quote doesn't carry the same weight. -dlapato

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2017 Jul 18
Daenerys does get points for "Fire and Blood", but it does need to include both of them. It is a little loose here, the operative words are "winter"and "coming", and slight variations of it, but as long as those two words are together I think it's okay to count (but if everyone feels strongly about strict wording, we can stick to that). I do think the wording in both lines was chosen specifically to echo the Stark words.

I don't see much difference between "winter has come" and "winter came", in terms of how well it sticks to the wording - it would be both or none. The House Words scoring is just for dropping the lines, there's no need for them to be quality/impactful lines unlike the Insults category. -nyan

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2017 Jul 18 jake.kmiech, alicehanners, thomasczucker, as38 like this

3:30 (+3) Arya Stark:

"Tell them Winter came for House Frey." (House Words)

8:18 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran Stark uses his knowledge about the battle at Hardhome to convince Eddison Tollet to grant him and Meera Reed passage into Castle Black. (Convincing Argument)

submitted by Ser Vincent (approved!)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

2:32 (+3) Arya Stark:

"But you didn't slaughter every one of the Starks. No, no, that was your mistake. You should have ripped them all out, root and stem. Leave one wolf alive and the sheep are never safe. When people ask you what happened here tell them the North remembers. Tell them winter came for House Frey." (Threat)

10:45 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

"Looks like we're the Night's Watch now." (Funny Line)

submitted by alicehanners (approved!)

11:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime: "How are they better allies? How are they different from the Freys? They both broke their promises and murdered their former friends as soon as it suited them."
Cersei: "So does everyone, when it suits them. Unlike the Freys, they have ships, and they're good at killing."
Jaime: "They're not good at anything." (Witty Insult)

submitted by alicehanners (approved!)

19:41 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Cersei: "I'm the Queen of the 7 Kingdoms"
Jaime: "Three Kingdoms, at best." (Witty Insult)

submitted by kevinpetsky (approved!)

33:59 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

"You're a lucky man." - to Podrick after he gets knocked down by Brienne during sparring practice. (Funny Line)

34:47 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Petyr Baelish: "Why aren't you happy? What do you want that you do not have?"
Sansa Stark: "At the moment, peace and quiet."
(Witty Insult)

34:54 (+3) Sansa Stark:

"No need to seize the last word, Lord Baelish. I'll assume it was something clever." (Witty Insult)

submitted by xdwxrd (approved!)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

39:05 (+5) Arya Stark:

Arya shares in some blackberry wine offered by the camp of Lannister soldiers. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Special

3:15 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya peels off the mask of Walder Frey to reveal herself after assassinating the host of Freys in the dining hall at the Twins. (Special)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

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@j.stainless11 I hear you, the nebulous specials are detrimental to fair scoring, at the same time implemented so the game could react better to fun stuff happening on the show. We do try to not be reactionary by adding stuff just because it happened in one episode, in this case Arya has been face changing for all of S6 so this seems like a well-established ability of hers at this point, not a one off. -nyan

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2017 Jul 24
Why would this count for arya? This isn't her special and if she's already getting a changed special then other characters need updated specials ASAP. -talindsey

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2017 Jul 26
I absolutely do not think that Arya should lose her Nymeria special @nathan. I would be fine with Arya adding Jaqen's old special additionally, many characters have multiple specials. I could maybe see a debate to replace the hitlist with this.

@talindsey you can argue for any character you like to get a new special, just start a new event. Your not gonna get anywhere trying to get other characters specials changed within the comments of separate character. There is currently a good debate going on about Euron's special too http://fantasora.com/event/3243 -ssantise

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2017 Jul 26

7:33 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into his warg ability as he waits at the gate to Castle Black. (Special)

25:39 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Euron Greyjoy: "Ever since I was a little boy, I wanted to grow up and marry the most beautiful woman in the world, so here I am with a thousand ships and two good hands." (looks at Jaime) (Special)

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Jaime doesn't have that special - he gets points for awkward gestures with his prosthetic hand. So far, only Theon gets points for references to respective amputated body parts :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Jul 18
You right. -xdwxrd

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2017 Jul 18
But he did still reference incest there, which is Jaime's special
-kevinpetsky

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2017 Jul 18 nyan, hindsight44, jedjackoway like this
I think if these are added it'd be under the incest reference, so let me know if you think this qualifies per @kevinpetsky's comment! -nyan

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2017 Jul 18
IMO its both Jaime and Cerseis special. Its impossible to interpret that joke accuratley without including the incest between Jaime and Cersei. He also said it right in front of them -hindsight44

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2017 Jul 18 taylorreneegoodrich and jedjackoway like this
I don't have nightmares.... -j.stainless11

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2017 Jul 20

33:49 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund eyes Brienne on the grounds of Winterfell as she spars with Podrick. (Special)

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But you don't count major wounds being inflicted in the act of killing. One gaze per reasonable amount of time would make sense? That way if there's a really long group scene and he might be able to get 2-3 significant gazes in there, but glancing away and then back to her shouldn't count as multiple gazes. It's more like quick breaks in one "act" of gazing at her -cfitzgerald

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2017 Jul 19 sanford likes this
still see 3 gazes last one he watched her walk away -thomasindeglia

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2017 Jul 19 kimberly.ramia and Laxis like this
3 Gazes -derekjjjj

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34:02 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

After Tormund speaks to Podrick, he returns his gaze to Brienne and approaches her. (Special)

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Give him the extra. 1 because its funny and they belong together 2 because I have a feeling he dies early defending this castle he was sent to -thomasindeglia

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2017 Jul 19
"2 because I have a feeling he dies early defending this castle he was sent to"

:'(
-alicehanners

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2017 Jul 19
Okay, the votes have spoken! Tormund's special will be per-gaze. We'll count a separate gaze if it's been interrupted by some event, like Tormund did here in talking to Podrick. But it needs to be a more substantial pause than blinking or being distracted for a couple of seconds. -nyan

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2017 Jul 20

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Matchup: Varys My Dragons? vs KnownothingJS for Ep 1

Tywin, Lose, or Draw!

Varys My Dragons? (annebowersox)

KnownothingJS (will.victor10)