Matchup: CLEGANEBOWL FOOKIN CONFIRMED1!!!! vs What is night king will never be robbed of points again for Ep 4

What is Hyped May Never Die

CLEGANEBOWL FOOKIN CONFIRMED1!!!! (tyler3005)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Wine	Sex	Thrones	Deaths	Special	Feels
Brienne of Tarth	#13	50	0	25	10	0	0	0	15
Davos Seaworth	#24	11	0	10	0	1	0	0	0
Varys	-	8	3	0	0	2	0	3	0
Rhaegal	#12	5	0	0	0	0	5	0	0
Totals		74	3	35	10	3	5	3	15

What is night king will never be robbed of points again (ecl93)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Wine	Thrones	Special	Feels
Tyrion Lannister	#9	56	6	12	35	3	0	0
Sansa Stark	#16	38	6	3	10	1	3	15
Sandor Clegane (The Hound)	#21	32	0	0	15	0	9	8
Daenerys Targaryen	#4	22	6	3	5	2	6	0
Totals		148	18	18	65	6	18	23

Political Wins

33:53 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion and Jon convince Daenerys to take a more cautioned approach to the war and lay siege to King's Landing instead of destroying it.

Daenerys: "No matter how many lords turn against her, as long as she sits on the Iron Throne, she can call herself Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. We need the capital."
Tyrion: "I watched the people of King's Landing rebel against their king when they were hungry, and that was before winter began. Give them the opportunity and they will cast Cersei aside."
Jon: "We'll surround the city. If the Iron Fleet tries to ferry in more food, the dragons will destroy them. If the Lannisters and the Golden Company attack, we'll defeat them in the field."
Tyrion: "Once the people see that Cersei is our only enemy, her reign is over." (Convincing Argument)

34:57 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys' pleas to Jon were effective, convincing him to take her side over the Stark family's in pledging the unconditional loyalty of the Northern troops. (Convincing Argument)

38:17 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Arya and Sansa learn of Jon Snow's true heritage as a secret Targaryen and heir to the Iron Throne. (Secret Discovery)

46:50 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa breaks her promise to Jon, divulging his secret heritage to Tyrion Lannister. "What if there's someone else? Someone better?" (Act of Betrayal)

46:50 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion learns of Jon's heritage as a secret Targaryen and claimant to the Iron Throne through Sansa. (Secret Discovery)

51:22 (+3) Varys:

Varys learns of Jon's parentage through the game of secret discovery telephone.

Varys: "How many others know?"
Tyrion: "Including us? Eight."
Varys: "Well, then it's not a secret anymore. It's information." (Secret Discovery)

Given the quote, I think the buck stops here with respect to awarding this further down the chain. -nyan

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2019 May 6 sperlingjason, mlopez, alicehanners, dopeghoti like this
Surely if 8 people knowing makes it information, the 8th person to know (Varys) discovers info and not a secret? Varys’ quot afterwards kinda voids these points nah? -conor_finlay

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2019 May 10 nyan likes this
quote* -conor_finlay

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Also, Varys’ is actually the 9th person to know. -conor_finlay

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59:07 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys ignores Varys' pleas and proceeds with her plan to take King's Landing by force.

Varys: "I beg you, Your Grace. Do not destroy the city you came to save. Do not become what you have always struggled to defeat."
Daenerys: "Do you believe we're here for a reason, Lord Varys? I'm here to free the world from tyrants. That is my destiny and I will serve it, no matter the cost." (Executive Decision)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

21:27 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa: "... he got what he deserved. I gave it to him."
Sandor: "How?"
Sansa: "Hounds." (Funny Line)

31:40 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys demands subservience from Jon to keep his Targaryen identity from his family.

Jon: "You are my Queen. Nothing will change that. And they are my family. We can live together."
Daenerys: "We can. I've just told you how." (Threat)

38:50 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

ribbing Jaime on his new dedication to Brienne: "I'm happy. I'm happy that you're happy. I'm happy that you'll finally have to climb for it." (Funny Line)

38:53 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

ribbing Jaime on his new dedication to Brienne: "Do you know how long I've waited to tell tall-person jokes?" (Funny Line)

44:34 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Sansa: "My Lady. [long pause] ...'My Lord' is the standard response." (Funny Line)

61:32 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Varys: "He (Jon Snow) is a man, which makes him more appealing to the lords of Westeros, whose support we are going to need."
Tyrion: "Joffrey was a man. I don't think a cock is a true qualification, as I'm sure you'd agree." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

9:02 (+5) Sansa Stark:

Sansa drinks from her cup at the head table as the awkward family dinner commences. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

9:50 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks in the far background as Gendry scoots his way up the aisle. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

9:53 (+5) Sansa Stark:

Sansa stuffs her face with another cup as Gendry scoots his way down the aisle. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

A note on the scoring criteria here - normally it's scored per-glass in a scene (e.g. multiple sips not counted unless a refill is seen in between). However this ended up being such a long scene that there weren't the traditional cuts in between (like with the fireplace scenes in E2). I decided to treat it like a battle and somewhat arbitrarily divide the Feast of Winterfell into "scenes" based on which groups of character we cut to. Not perfect and open to thoughts on this rubric.

We probably wouldn't backdate scores this season but I'm coming around to counting every sip instead. Feels like the "not counted until refilled" is not the most fun mechanic, this was originally defined to get the numbers closest to actual "Glasses of Wine Consumed". -nyan

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I think if you’re changing it to every sip it’s unfair not to back date it. Think how many points tormund would have missed out on in ep2 for instance. -conor_finlay

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11:40 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys drinks as the crowd celebrates Gendry's promotion to Lord Baratheon of Storm's End. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

12:23 (+5) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne and Jaime share a drink at the Feast of Winterfell.

Jaime: "We've fought dead things and lived to talk about it.If this isn't the time to drink, when is?" (Glass of Wine Consumed)

12:31 (+5) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor takes a sip in the blurry background as Davos and Tyrion talk about Melisandre. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

13:22 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion refills and drinks at the the refill station as he and Davos discuss the political drama to come. "We may have defeated them, but we still have us to contend with." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

13:31 (+5) Davos Seaworth:

Davos is handed a cup by Tyrion as they worry about the mysteries of the Lord of Light and the political infighting situation. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

15:30 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks at the table with Jaime and Brienne as they kick off their drinking game of guesses. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

15:44 (+5) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne is forced to drink in the game after Jaime correctly "guesses" that she is an only child.

Jaime: "You... are an only child."
Brienne: "I told you I was."
Jaime: "You didn't."
Brienne: "I did."
Jaime: "I surmised it." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

16:25 (+5) Davos Seaworth:

Davos drinks in the foreground as Tormund regales the crowd with the legends of Jon Snow. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

17:14 (+5) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne drinks jovially at a table with Podrick, Tyrion, and Jaime as Daenerys realizes she has no friends. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

17:50 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Brienne tells Tyrion he is wrong about his guess, and he is forced to drink. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

18:09 (+5) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne guesses wrong that Tyrion is drinking wine but prefers ale, forcing her to drink. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

20:24 (+5) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Clegane takes another bitter drink as growls at a Northern girl who attempts to hit on him. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

21:38 (+5) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor drinks from his refill as he talks bluntly with Sansa about her experiences. "You've changed, little bird." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

24:56 (+5) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne takes a drink as Jaime stumbles into her bedchambers with a cups and a pitcher of wine. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

39:01 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Jaime and Tyrion drink after toasting to Jaime's new relationship with Brienne. "To climbing mountains." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

52:18 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks in the ship's cabin while discussing the issue of Jon Snow's parentage with Varys. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

61:30 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks in the throne room at Dragonstone as he and Varys discuss how to reign in Daenerys. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

27:20 (+5) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne experiences her first time with Jaime after he drunkenly and jealously stumbles into her bedchambers.

Jaime: "I've never slept with a knight before."
Brienne: "I've never slept with anyone before." (Act of Intercourse)

65:43 (+5) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne wakes up from bed after a 2nd night with Jaime, only to find he has disappeared into the night. (Act of Intercourse)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

I think it strongly implied they did -conor_finlay

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I don't know about this. I think if this scene was shot in the morning when it was light, you wouldn't just assume they had done the deed. Just because they were sharing a bed isn't strong implication of deed doing. -Jamiemurraytait

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Especially if you are going to give jaime for "I've made a huge mistake" assuming he's done it again is a bit contradictory hahaha -Jamiemurraytait

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I'm mostly going off Brienne being nude, they probably have pajamas if they're regular sleeping? -nyan

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Rule IV: Scenes where characters are nude in bed are counted as implied sex. -okaymkay

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So would Rule IV cover Jaime aswell? He’s not naked in bed but Brienne didn’t shag herself. -conor_finlay

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A Game of Thrones

8:54 (+1) Sansa Stark:

Sansa sits at the head table during the celebratory feast at Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

8:54 (+1) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion sits at the head table during the celebratory feast at Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

8:54 (+1) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys sits at the head table during the celebratory feast at Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

10:11 (+1) Davos Seaworth:

Davos sits and observes nervously as Daenerys calls out Gendry for his Baratheon heritage. (Basic Seat)

14:53 (+1) Varys:

Varys sits in a chair at the edge of the head table as Tormund and the hall give a toast. "To Daenerys, the Dragon Queen!" (Basic Seat)

15:20 (+1) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys sits back down to brood after toasting to Arya Stark, the Hero of Winterfell (Basic Seat)

38:29 (+1) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion sits with Jaime in front of a fireplace in Winterfell, as Tyrion ribs Jaime on his newfound romance with Brienne. (Basic Seat)

51:31 (+1) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion sits with Varys in the cabin below deck, discussing the secret of Jon's parentage. (Basic Seat)

51:33 (+1) Varys:

Varys sits down with Tyrion in the cabin below deck, discussing the secret of Jon's parentage. (Basic Seat)

Deaths

53:32 (+5) Rhaegal:

Rhaegal is hit by three scorpion bolts from Euron and the Greyjoy fleet, falling out of the sky and plunging into the waters next to Dragonstone. (Death)

Special

9:20 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor scoops at a shepherd's pie in his bowl during the Feast of Winterfell. (Special)

9:21 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor scoops at a shepherd's pie in his bowl during the Feast of Winterfell, in a strong foreshadowing to the Cleganebowl that was Promised. (Special)

submitted by conor_finlay (approved!)

14:55 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys switches up to a burgundy dress at the Feast of Winterfell (Special)

submitted by marr.virginia (approved!)

23:06 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa cries over Theon's body as the Northern forces pay their respects to the dead after the Battle of Winterfell. (Special)

42:47 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor chews on a piece of jerky as he rides solo out of Winterfell. (Special)

44:16 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys debuts a new grey-paneled jacket with a red cape. (Special)

61:32 (+3) Varys:

The Feels

4:30 (+5) Sansa Stark:

Sansa grieves over the body of Theon Greyjoy as the forces at Winterfell gather to honor the dead. She leaves him with her Stark brooch before lighting the funeral pyre. (Sad Feels)

11:36 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor continues to sit and eat throughout all the various celebratory toasts for Gendry, Arya, and other heroes of the Battle of Winterfell. (Ridiculously Funny Moment)

22:07 (+5) Sansa Stark:

Sandor Clegane and Sansa talk about their long journeys and roads not taken.

Sandor: " You've changed, Little Bird. None of it would have happened if you'd left King's Landing with me. No Littlefinger, no Ramsay none of it."
Sansa: "Without Littlefinger, and Ramsay, and the rest... I would have stayed a Little Bird all my life." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

22:07 (+5) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

37:18 (+5) Sansa Stark:

Arya and Sansa stage a family intervention with Jon Snow to bring him back to the Stark side.

Jon: "I've never been a Stark."
Sansa: "You are. You're just as much Ned Stark's child as any of us."
Arya: "You're my brother. Not my half-brother or my bastard brother. My brother." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

57:26 (+15) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne begs Jaime to stay with her, but is left sobbing in the courtyard of Winterfell after Jaime rides off to save Cersei.

"You're better than she is. You're a good man and you can't save her. You don't need to die with her. Stay here. Stay with me." (Sad Feels)

Do people like this as Feels of the Week? Gwendoline Christie was amazing in this. And it felt like a real moment of reckoning for Jaime. -nyan

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I think there is also a case for Danaerys when she looks at jorah, similar with sansa and theon. Would also suggest the strongest case would be for grey worm watching missandei's execution. -Jamiemurraytait

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I'll classify this as the 3x "Feels of the Week". Same was applied to Jon's speech at the beginning.

I think my take goes against the grain a bit and we'll probably mostly add them, but Daenerys/Sansa/Grey Worm being sad about deaths are submitted here:

https://fantasora.com/event/4609
https://fantasora.com/event/4596 -nyan

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^edit: eh after further consideration I downgraded Jon's speech. It was a very good speech but maybe just below the bar. It was sort of like Podrick's song in terms of summing up the overall moment which together was very sad, however the Sad Feels were distributed and not all on one character. -nyan

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