Matchup: Needle in a hayStark vs Cersei It Ain't So Whoa Oh for Ep 1

You win or you die

Needle in a hayStark (dvelasqu87)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Special	Feels
Arya Stark	#6	16	0	0	6	0	10
Theon Greyjoy	#30	15	4	6	0	0	5
Varys	#18	6	0	0	0	6	0
Eddison Tollett	#43	3	0	0	0	0	3
Brienne of Tarth	#7	0	0	0	0	0	0
Archmaester Ebrose	#42	0	0	0	0	0	0
Grey Worm	#19	0	0	0	0	0	0
Wight Army (Extras)	#31	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		40	4	6	6	6	18

Cersei It Ain't So Whoa Oh (vanessagomez1213)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Thrones	Special
Cersei Lannister	#4	28	6	3	5	5	6	3
White Walker (Night King)	#9	12	9	0	0	0	0	3
Lyanna Mormont	#40	3	0	3	0	0	0	0
Podrick Payne	#33	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Viserion	#16	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Full-bearded White Walkers This White Walker has a full beard and long hair. He is one of the Night King's Lieutenants.	-	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain)	#28	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Missandei	#21	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		43	15	6	5	5	6	6

Kills

27:15 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon kills a member of Euron's crew as he leads a squad of Ironborn on a rescue mission to save his sister Yara Greyjoy. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

submitted by kevinreading66 (approved!)

Original submission: "Theon and his team board the boat to save Yara, 4 arrows are used to kill people working on the boat. The camera then cuts to Theon and his team with Theon at the front with his bow and arrow cocked, surely he deserves some points for these kills?"

There were actually 5 kills and on-screen we see a squad of 4 (including Theon). Given the scenario I've scored 1 for Theon (Euron's men were killed in quick succession, so presumably they all landed their shots).

For future references, I *would* say this is a bit of a grey(joy) area, with the fudged assumption that they didn't have time to reload much, so Theon must've landed his first shot. If there were 5 arrow kills and Theon had boarded with 20 goodmen, I don't think he would have gotten any points. Similar for 200 arrow kills and 20 men shooting, or if we saw arrows flying around and missing. These scenarios would put enough plausibility that Theon did not land his shots.

The scoring criteria wants to see strong attribution happen on-screen, else we have submissions like "Tormund and Jon were like 2/10 of soldiers in the Battle of Bastards at this point and there's a pile of 150 bodies around them, clearly they did 20% of those kills". It ends up cheapening the points for legitimate kills the characters do 1:1. -nyan

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2019 Apr 16
Also so much for having a crew of elite mutes who can't warn each other in the event of a surprise attack, eh Euron? -nyan

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27:34 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon throws an axe into the skull of the Ironborn soldier guarding Yara Greyjoy. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

20:34 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei gains the sellsword services of the Golden Company.
Cersei: "In any event, you are most welcome here in King's Landing, Captain Strickland."
Harry Stickland: "We look forward to fighting on your behalf, Your Grace." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

20:34 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Along with the Golden Company, Cersei gains their Captain Harry Strickland as a follower. (New Follower/Prisoner)

21:32 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Tormund and the Night's Watch discovers the grisly scene at the Last Hearth, where the White Walkers have massacred the inhabits. (Victorious Battle)

Why it doesn't count to the white army as well? -guy.v

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2019 Apr 18
This is a very fair question. Traditionally for battles and gaining a castle, it's been attributed to only the commander (else you could start arguing that every individual soldier on the winning side gets to double up on those points). But having the entire army as a group draftable is something new this season. I feel like this could go either way, though it's a little weaker since we didn't see any on-screen wights in action. -nyan

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2019 Apr 18
Seems like if it's equal either way then the score should go to both or neither. My vote would be both. -mah13090

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2019 Apr 18
I agree it should also count for the white walker army. -hapesnova

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21:32 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Tormund and the Night's Watch discovers the grisly scene at the Last Hearth, where the White Walkers have massacred the inhabits. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

27:53 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

After sneaking aboard Euron's ship, Theon frees his sister Yara. (New Follower/Prisoner)

29:07 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara: "You want to go to Wintefell. To fight for the Starks. Go. What is dead may never die."
Theon: "What is dead may never die." (House Words)

51:24 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

The Night King has Ned Umber reanimated as a wight in the ruins of the Last Hearth. (New Follower/Prisoner)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

10:34 (+3) Lyanna Mormont:

to Jon Snow: "You left Winterfell a King and came back a - I'm not sure what you are now. A lord? Nothing at all?" (Witty Insult)

submitted by ani (approved!)

25:23 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

"I wanted those elephants." (Funny Line)

37:27 (+3) Arya Stark:

The Hound: "You left me to die."
Arya: "First I robbed you." (Witty Insult)

submitted by k.molseed (approved!)

38:53 (+3) Arya Stark:

Gendry: "I always knew you were just another rich girl."
Arya: "You don't know any other rich girls." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

25:43 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei sips from her glass while Euron asks her about his performance in bed. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

25:25 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei chats with Euron after a romp in her chambers. (Act of Intercourse)

A Game of Thrones

19:58 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei greets the captain of the Golden Company, Harry Strickland, from the Iron Throne. (Iron Throne)

25:32 (+1) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei sits down with a glass of wine in her bedchambers after her session with Euron Greyjoy. (Basic Seat)

Special

6:22 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion, as he and Varys arrive to a frigid Winterfell: "You should consider yourself lucky. At least your balls won't freeze off." (Special)

6:28 (+3) Varys:

Varys: "You take great offense at dwarf jokes, but love telling eunuch jokes. Why is that?"
Tyrion: "Because I have balls... and you don't" (Special)

25:53 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Euron: "How do I compare? To the fat king."
Cersei: "Robert had a different whore every night, but he still didn't know his way around a woman's body."
Euron: "And the Kingslayer?" (Special)

51:26 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Ned Umber is impaled on the wall of his keep, surrounded by a spiral of bloody body parts. (Special)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

I'd vote against the proliferation of specials that are so loosely tied to actual appearances/direct references to the character. -jedjackoway

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Tormund straight up says "It is a message from the Night King." -craigdietz20

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2019 Apr 17
This one didn't seem to get a lot of support but I'll add it actually. @jedjackoway that's a very good line of thought about new proposals, and generally it doesn't feel worthy to give points when characters are not even there (this is why the "references to..." Specials generally don't count if the characters aren't in the scene).

In this case my feeling is that this would be a good stat to count if there were generally a "Team White Walkers" draftable group (like team defenses for NFL fantasy). With the lack of characters, I think the Night King was drafted by many people as a stand-in for that. This also is hopefully not too OP (I expect we see this 1-2 times at most), especially for a character that's already top-tier. -nyan

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The Feels

16:00 (+5) Arya Stark:

Arya and Jon finally reunite in the Godswood of Winterfell and compare their fancy swords.
Arya: "I'm defending our family. And so is she (Sansa)."
Jon: "I'm her family too."
Arya: "Don't forget that." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

29:17 (+5) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon and Yara share an embrace before they part ways to fight their separate parts of the war.
Yara: "You want to go to Wintefell. To fight for the Starks. Go. What is dead may never die."
Theon: "What is dead may never die."
Yara: "But kill the bastards anyway." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

38:22 (+5) Arya Stark:

Arya and Gendry reunite in the Winterfell forge, and share some banter from their days on the road.
Gendry: "It's not a bad place to grow up, if it wasn't so cold."
Arya: "Stay close to that forge, then."
Gendry: "Is that a command, Lady Stark?"
Arya: "Don't call me that."
Gendry: "As you wish, m'lady." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

50:39 (+3) Eddison Tollett:

Edd and Tormund Giantsbane stumble upon each other at the Last Hearth.

Edd: "Stand back, he's got blue eyes!"
Tormund: "I've always had blue eyes!!" (Ridiculously Funny Moment)

submitted by niketbp (approved!)

Considering adding a category for "funny moments", that would apply to the Drogon/Jon interaction as well. The problem I'm struggling with is how to properly reward vs just throwing out free points to everybody who shows up in a scene. The funny line gives a score to Tormund who is the one delivering the payoff, it doesn't feel equitable that Edd and especially Beric are getting points just for being there. -nyan

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Hmm yeah that's difficult. Perhaps not Beric then, since he was just there, but maybe Ed because he was a part of that interaction though? Tough to say :/ -niketbp

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I agree, I think Ed should get something for that exchange -mlopez

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2019 Apr 16
What would be great is if we could come up with the scoring rubric for who gets points in a "funny scene" so there's a consistent guideline for future episodes. Drogon, Jon, Edd, Tormund feel like the deserving characthers here. This is also something I'd nudge towards the Feels category. -nyan

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