Matchup: No Ygrittes vs The Jacksonville Hodors for Ep 1

No Ygrittes (johnnahon12)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Deaths	Special
Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	#30	109	0	0	10	99
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	#3	5	2	3	0	0
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	#14	0	0	0	0	0
Jaqen H'ghar The leader of the Faceless Men of Braavos, and a skilled assassin. He trains Arya to become an assassin in the House of Black and White.	#27	0	0	0	0	0
Tommen Baratheon The King of the Seven Kingdoms after the assassination of his brother, Joffrey Baratheon. He is young and highly impressionable to the various influences in King's Landing that seek to control him.	#22	0	0	0	0	0
Margaery Tyrell The wife of King Tommen Baratheon and Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Her increasing influence over the young king have put at her odds against his mother, Cersei Lannister.	#19	0	0	0	0	0
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#11	0	0	0	0	0
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and recently returns from a mission to Dorne to rescue his daughter/niece, Myrcella Baratheon.	#6	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		114	2	3	10	99

The Jacksonville Hodors (andrewka)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Sex	Special
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre served as a close advisor to Stannis Baratheon until she abandoned his cause at the Battle of Winterfell against the Boltons.	#13	20	0	0	20	0
Brienne of Tarth A skilled fighter and heir to House Tarth. A sworn sword to the late Catelyn Stark, she continues her mission to ensure the safety of the Stark girls.	#12	11	8	3	0	0
Alliser Thorne A former master-of-arms and acting Commander of the Night's Watch, Thorne narrowly lost the Lord Commander choosing to Jon Snow in S5. He later led a mutiny of disgruntled Night's Watch members against Jon Snow, stabbing and leaving him for dead.	#29	6	0	6	0	0
Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	#4	3	0	0	0	3
Bronn A former sellsword, who has risen through the ranks of nobility thanks to his fighting skills and work for the Lannisters. He recently accompanied Jaime Lannister on a sensitive diplomatic mission to Dorne to rescue the Princeess Myrcella Baratheon.	#20	0	0	0	0	0
Ramsay Bolton The legitimized bastard son of Roose Bolton, now Warden of the North. He is fond of the Bolton tradition of flaying their enemies.	#5	0	0	0	0	0
Lancel Lannister A cousin to the Lannister children. In a past life he was a stuttering servant to King Robert Baratheon and secret consort to his cousin Queen Cersei Lannister. Lancel now serves as a leading member of the Sparrows, a dangerously militant religious group whose power over King's Landing is growing.	#28	0	0	0	0	0
High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	#21	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		40	8	9	20	3

Kills

15:49 (+2) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne cuts down the first Bolton soldier on horseback as she and Podrick rush in to save Sansa Stark. "It's a bloody woman!" (Kill of Unnamed Character)

16:22 (+2) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne cuts down the second Bolton soldier who stupidly dismounts his horse to engage an enemy he's knocked to the ground. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

16:31 (+2) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne cuts down the horse of a Bolton soldier, pinning the soldier's leg (Kill of Unnamed Character)

17:00 (+2) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne ruthlessly slits the throat of a Bolton soldier pinned under his own horse. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

32:57 (+2) Daenerys Targaryen:

Jorah and Daario discover the charred bones of a ram out on the hills near the Dothraki sea. It appears to be Drogon's work.

Daario: "You think our friend got him?"
Jorah: "Don't know anything else that can melt a ram's horn."
Daario: "We're on the right path, then." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

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So the one little bit of difference in my mind is that for the little kid, we see both the before and after. So it's a clear, "this happened during the course of the episode". The ram in this case, I don't think was shown anytime earlier, and I worry that giving points for *any* dead bodies that show up will lead to some later scene where we come across a field of hundreds of mutilated bodies and get a line "Drogon must have done this." or "this is the work of Gregor Clegane", and end up rewarding a bunch of points that never had a payoff for show watchers.

Open to other thoughts/interpretations though. This is a good precedent-setter either way. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Wait, you see Zalla alive? I forgot that part
-alicehanners

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2016 Apr 26
Will have to bring the episode back up, but if I recall correctly the opening scene of the episode is the girl playing on the grass hillside. Then Drogon emerges from below the cliff and stares down at her. The later on in the episode the man comes to Daenerys' court with the charred bones. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Went back to do a rewatch, your memory of the events is right Alice. The scene I was thinking of is from S4E6 - Drogon rises above the cliff to stare down a boy goat herder, then ends up roasting a little goat and snatching it away. The boy escapes unscathed. Later in S4E10 the girls' bones show up without any prior introduction. I also found some previous precedents with Ramsay talking about killing people and just displaying the flayed corpses in S5 which were counted. So in keeping with that, this poor bbq'd ram will count! -nyan

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2016 Apr 27 moonbaseu92 likes this
Are dragon kills considered her "Special"? Because that would be a x3 multiplier -armizzle.diaz

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2016 Apr 29
@armizzle.diaz the dragons' actions will count for all of their respective category, so this is scored as kills, and if they shotgun a barrel of wine or decide to get incestuous, it'll count as wine/sex points. The special category is more for the "+1 for each..." that don't fit elsewhere. The Starks' wolves are counted the same way. -nyan

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Political Wins

8:13 (+3) Alliser Thorne:

Ser Alliser defends his treason against Lord Commander Jon Snow, and convinces the Night's Watch to side with him.

"You're right! We've committed treason, all of us. Jon Snow was my Lord Commander. I had no love for him. That was no secret. But I never once disobeyed an order. Loyalty is the foundation on which the Night's Watch is built. And the Watch means everything to me. I have given my life, we have all given our lives to the Night's Watch. Jon Snow was going to destroy the Night's Watch ... He thrust a terrible choice upon us. And we made it." (Convincing Argument)

8:13 (+3) Alliser Thorne:

Alliser takes over as de facto Commander of the Night's Watch after explaining his mutinous actions to kill Jon Snow, and winning over the crowd. (New Title)

18:16 (+3) Brienne of Tarth:

After saving her from capture by the Bolton soldiers, Brienne finally convinces Sansa Stark to accept her protection.
Brienne: "Lady Sansa, I offer my services once again. I will shield your back and keep your counsel and give my life for yours if need be. I swear it, by the Old Gods and the New."
Sansa: "And I vow... that you shall always have a place by my... hearth. and..."
Podrick assist" Meat and mead at my table."
Sansa: "...meat and mead at my table. And I pledge to ask no service of you that might bring you dishonor. I swear it by the Old Gods and the New. Arise." (Convincing Argument)

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Even if it's not a title, doesn't it count as convincing Sansa of something major? Brienne has been trying to convince Sansa to let her protect her for like an entire season. Sansa initially said no, and Brienne has now changed her mind. -jedjackoway

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2016 Apr 27 moonbaseu92 and alicehanners like this
It sounds like decent consensus that Brienne should get something here, and convincing Sansa to accept her services is a solid one because of the past rejection. The new title (if there is one) will be saved for when/if it is actually named on the show. -nyan

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2016 Apr 28 alicehanners likes this
Why Does Jon not get points this week? i feel like that's pretty significant for points lol -ehbud25

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2016 May 2

40:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Khal Moro to not rape her by mentioning that she is the widow of Khal Drogo.
Daenerys: "I was wife to Khal Dorgo, son of Khal Bharbo."
Khal Moro: "Khal Drogo is dead."
Daenerys: " I know. I burnt his body."
Khal Moro: "Forgive me. I did not know. It is forbidden to lie with a Khal's widow. No one will touch you. You have my word." (Convincing Argument)

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Acts of Intercourse

46:53 (+20) Melisandre:

Melisandre removes her ruby necklace as she strips down to her true form in front of the mirror. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

Deaths

27:43 (+10) Doran Martell:

Doran Martell bleeds out after being stabbed by Ellaria Sand. "When was the last time you left this palace? You don't know your own people. Their disgust for you. Elia Martell raped and murdered, and you did nothing. Oberyn Martell butchered, and you did nothing. You're not a Dornishman. You're not our Prince." (Death)

Isn't it 19 points for all of these characters because they get an extra point for every episode left in the season? (9) -tyler3005

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2016 Apr 26
I thought the same thing Tyler. I think it needs to be adjusted. I posed on the FB page about it. -marksizzle

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2016 Apr 26
It will be by the end of the season -moonbaseu92

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2016 Apr 26
The post-death points will be awarded in the subsequent episodes, so Doran and the rest will be getting 1pt each in E2, E3, ... thru E10. It'll be 19 points after it's all said and done, but as a sort of trickle-down consolation prize over the rest of the season while you're down a character. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26 tyler3005 likes this
Does Jon Snow get a point for being dead then? -cfitzgerald

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2016 Apr 27
@cfitzgerald check out the discussion at http://fantasora.com/event/1951. It's leaning towards not awarding the points since they are for the rest of the season after they die, and Jon Snow was officially recorded as dying in S5E10. -nyan

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2016 Apr 27

Special

22:29 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jaime refers to Myrcella's parentage as Cersei grives: "Listen- listen to me. She was my daughter and I failed her." (Special)

I feel like Jamie should have gotten points for this scene too, they were grieving parents together, clearly referring to their children, and what was taken from them. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 2
@taylorreneegoodrich, this special originated from the earlier seasons when the paternity of Cersei's children was much more of a hushed secret. It's gotten more difficult to score now that Cersei and Jaime talk about it all the time, but in keeping with the original scoring, Cersei/Jaime get a point when it's someone else who talks about their childrens' bastardy *to* them. In this case it was Jaime's line to Cersei, but Cersei didn't respond back with anything about their kids.

the main distinction we went with is -nyan

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2016 May 2
Cersei also had a glass of wine so where are the points for that? -kimbo

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25:35 (+99) Doran Martell:

Doran 'Professor X' Martell turns out to not actually be a wheelchair-bound cripple at all - apparently he was just too lazy to walk anywhere during any part of S5. He takes thirty-two slow, gimpy steps along the way to his wheelchair. Then decides to adjust his dangling right foot for good measure, before fully sitting down.

5 steps in initial overhead scene (25:35)
7 steps to get up the stairs (25:40)
8 steps to the next set of stairs (25:47)
9 steps to the wheelchair (25:55)
3 steps to get in the wheelchair (26:06)
1 step to get his last dangling foot onto the wheelchair (26:11) (Special)

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This is why you should play Roto not direct scoring -moonbaseu92

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2016 Apr 27
This is the opposite of why you should play roto. With roto, whoever has Doran will have a huge advantage in upcoming episodes. With H2H the field is a bit more level next episode. -alicehanners

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2016 Apr 27
Both Roto and H2H have their own ways of dealing with an outsized scoring performance. For H2H, it only counts for 1 win whether you win by 3pts or 100pts, so Doran's performance is capped at 10% of the season and he now won't be contributing much else.

For Roto leagues, teams with Doran will now have a sizeable lead in the Specials category, but there's still time to make it up over the course of the rest of the season (e.g. if Hodor has a Hodor-outburst, it's probably in the same order of magnitude as Doran). Even if 1 performance is good enough to secure a whole category, it's still just 1 of 7 categories (worth ~14%), and Roto scoring is based off of the ranks - if you win a category by 3pts or 100pts, the 2nd-place team in that category is still just -1 roto points behind. -nyan

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