Matchup: Queen of the North vs The Manning-Faced God's Revenge for Ep 8

Hodor's Heroes

Queen of the North (apuopolo93)

Character	Drafted	Total	Insults	Wine	Deaths	Special
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#31	17	3	5	0	9
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	#11	3	0	0	0	3
Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his legitimized bastard son.	#10	1	0	0	1	0
Leaf A member of the Children of the Forest. She leads Bran and his companions to cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#71	1	0	0	1	0
Bronze Yohn Royce Head of House Royce, bannermen to House Arryn of the Vale.	-	0	0	0	0	0
White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	#30	0	0	0	0	0
Septa Unella A Septa and member of the Most Devout, the council that rules the Faith of the Seven. She rings the shame! shame! shame! bell.	#51	0	0	0	0	0
Meera Reed The eldest child of Howland Reed, bannerman to the Starks. She and Bran have arrived at the cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#50	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		22	3	5	2	12

The Manning-Faced God's Revenge (shancox92)

Character	Drafted	Total	Insults	Wine	Deaths
Lem Lemoncloak A leader of a group of outlaws in the Riverlands.	#64	10	0	0	10
Thoros of Myr A Red Priest from the city of Myr - he is a member of the Brotherhood Without Banners, led by Beric Dondarrion.	#57	8	3	5	0
Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	#4	8	3	5	0
Three-eyed raven A mysterious man who lives far north of the Wall with the Children of the Forest. He has been guiding Bran's dreams through the form of a three-eyed raven.	#44	1	0	0	1
Gilly A wildling who lived north of the Wall. After she befriended Samwell Tarly, she escaped with him to Castle Black, and now sails with him to Oldtown as Sam begins his Maester's training.	#37	0	0	0	0
Lancel Lannister A cousin to the Lannister children. In a past life he was a stuttering servant to King Robert Baratheon and secret consort to his cousin Queen Cersei Lannister. Lancel now serves as a leading member of the Sparrows, a dangerously militant religious group whose power over King's Landing is growing.	#24	0	0	0	0
Olenna Redwyne (Grandma Tyrell) The matriarch of House Tyrell, Olenna is the grandmother of Margaery and Loras. She is known as the "Queen of Thorns" for her sarcasm and wit.	#17	0	0	0	0
Salladhor Saan A Pirate Lord from the Lys, a free city of Essos. He is an old friend of Ser Davos Seaworth and fought for Stannis in the Battle of the Blackwater.	#77	0	0	0	0
Totals		27	6	10	11

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

12:53 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Lancel Lannister: "Order your man (Gregor Clegane) to step aside, or there will be violence."
Cersei: "... I choose violence." (Threat)

This is certainly a threat on Lancel's part as well, is responding to a threat really a threat itself? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 13 given.brian and jshragie like this
Lancel's line was an ordinary threat, Cersei's was a cold-blooded comeback. -nyan

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2016 Jun 13
Countering a threat with your own threat makes for more threats, as is just and true for Westeros. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 13 Ser Vincent likes this
Oh please, its only a cold-blooded comeback because it's Cersei. Lancel said "call him off or we will have to fight him." And she said "so fight him".

If his isn't a threat, hers definitely isn't. I think you are being way too personally subjective about threats -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15 jedjackoway likes this
It feels like it hasn't been clear what the insults/threats/funny category is. It is never meant to score literally everything that can be construed as insulting/threatening, but is intended to reward the characters who are charismatic, and deliver the well-worded jabs.

Think about a rap battle. Literally every single line spoken by either participant is going to be "insulting". But only the best of those lines - insults with wit, cleverness, or highly-relevant comebacks - are the ones that illicit the "ooohs" and "BURNN!!" and "BAH GAWD that man had a FAMILY!" reactions from the audience. Those are the lines this category is trying to reward. -nyan

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2016 Jun 17
I think you can make a case for Cersei's line being below the bar - it's far from the best line in this episode (though I think there are wore ones, personally). But Lancel's line is an absolutely pedestrian threat, wording-wise, and does not fit into the purpose of this category. I cannot imagine a single viewer having a "Goddamnn I can't believe Lancel just said that" reaction to that scene. -nyan

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2016 Jun 17

29:10 (+3) Grey Worm :

Missandei: "Two translators are on a sinking ship. The first says, 'Do you know how to swim?' The second says, 'No, but I can shout for help in 19 languages.'"
Tyrion: *feigned laughter*
Grey Worm: "That is the worst joke I ever heard." (Funny Line)

45:00 (+3) Thoros of Myr:

Sandor Clegane: "They killed a friend of mine."
Thoros: "You've got friends?" (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

11:15 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei drinks in her chambers as Qyburn arrives to deliver a request from the Faith Militant. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

26:51 (+5) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm drinks his first cup of wine. Tyrion: "Here's to our Queen. Anyone not drinking is disrespecting our Queen." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

47:02 (+5) Thoros of Myr:

Thoros drinks from his wineskin as he walks towards the campfire. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Deaths

46:26 (+10) Lem Lemoncloak:

Lem is hanged by the true Brotherhood without Banners, for his crimes in massacring the villagers building Septon Ray's church. (Death)

+1 for Roose Bolton, +1 for Leaf, +1 for Three-eyed raven

Special

9:57 (+3) Varys:

Varys: "If you shaved your beard with a straight razor, you'd say the razor worked. That doesn't mean it won't cut your throat."
Tyrion: "Spoken like a man who has never had to shave." (Special)

submitted by alexanderdropkin (approved!)

28:20 (+3) Grey Worm :

After Tyrion's joke during the Meereenese council meeting.
Tyrion: "...it's funnier in Westeros."
Greyworm: "The Starks and the Lannisters. I thought these were *enemies*." (Special)

submitted by taylorreneegoodrich (approved!)

43:19 (+6) Grey Worm :

Advanced battle tactics require advanced vocabulary: "If we go to the beach, the Masters will take the *pyramid*. The *pyramid* is the only place in the city we can defend." (Special)

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