Matchup: EFF OLLIE! vs Ramsay Bolton Did Nothing Wrong for Ep 3

EFF OLLIE! (mmekari)

Character	Drafted	Total	Insults	Deaths	Special
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and recently returns from a mission to Dorne to rescue his daughter/niece, Myrcella Baratheon.	#6	6	3	0	3
Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his legitimized bastard son.	#11	1	0	1	0
Khal Moro The leader of a new Khalasar of Dothraki.	#38	0	0	0	0
Osha A wildling woman who serves the Starks. She splits off from Bran's group and travels with Rickon.	#54	0	0	0	0
Meera Reed The eldest child of Howland Reed, bannerman to the Starks. She and Bran have arrived at the cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#59	0	0	0	0
Bronn A former sellsword, who has risen through the ranks of nobility thanks to his fighting skills and work for the Lannisters. He recently accompanied Jaime Lannister on a sensitive diplomatic mission to Dorne to rescue the Princeess Myrcella Baratheon.	#22	0	0	0	0
Jaqen H'ghar The leader of the Faceless Men of Braavos, and a skilled assassin. He trains Arya to become an assassin in the House of Black and White.	#27	0	0	0	0
Obara Sand The eldest of Prince Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She wields a spear.	#43	0	0	0	0
Totals		7	3	1	3

Ramsay Bolton Did Nothing Wrong (brtt.mllr)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Wine	Deaths	Special
Tyrion Lannister The third, stunted dwarf of the Lannister children - a fugitive from Westeros after losing his trial for the murder of King Joffrey, he has escaped and found service as an advisor to Daenerys Targaryen.	#1	16	0	6	10	0	0
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	#16	11	6	0	5	0	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#49	10	0	0	0	10	0
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#32	3	0	0	0	0	3
Robin Arryn The young, sickly son of the late Jon Arryn and Lysa Tully. He is Lord of the Vale, although Petyr Baelish serves as Lord Protector until he comes of age.	#48	0	0	0	0	0	0
Aeron Greyjoy An uncle of Theon Greyjoy, who serves as a priest to the Drowned God.	#64	0	0	0	0	0	0
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	#17	0	0	0	0	0	0
Podrick Payne A squire in the service of Brienne of Tarth. He previously served as Tyrion Lannister's squire.	#33	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		40	6	6	15	10	3

Political Wins

10:55 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam convinces Gilly to go along with his plan to stay with his family in Horn Hill.
Gilly: "I know that, Sam. And he does too. You're the only one who ever has. If you think it's for the best... we trust you."
(Convincing Argument)

11:19 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Gilly acknowledges Sam's stepfather status to little Sam. Samwell proceeds to vomit from all the subsequent feels.
Samwell: "I'd feel better if you threw something at me and stormed off."
Gilly: "I'd never do that to the father of my son." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

26:31 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion: "A wise man once said, a true history of the world is a history of great conversations in elegant rooms."
Missandei: "Who said this?"
Tyrion: "Me. Just now."
*awkward long pause*
Tyrion: "... alright, no conversations." (Funny Line)

I don't think this was actually funny (it fell pretty flat to me) so I don't think Tyrion should receive any points for this! -Capnstoobie

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2016 May 9 danny136200 likes this
I disagree. It is the same level of humor as his other statements -skywalkerdude

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2016 May 10
Yeah, Tyrion hasn't been doing much else throughout the last season or any episode of this season than deliver semi-funny lines. Too bad his character has become somewhat one dimensional :/ -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 10 nyan likes this

27:27 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Greyworm and Missandei: "Alright no drinking, we can play without drinking. It's a wonderful game - I invented it. Here's how it works: I make a statement about your past; if I'm wrong, I drink. And if I'm right... maybe we can't play without drinking." (Funny Line)

30:35 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Qyburn: "Does he (Gregor Clegane) understand what we're saying? I mean, to the extent that he ever understood complete sentences in the first place." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

9:05 (+5) Samwell Tarly:

After vomiting from his sea-sickness, Sam drinks from a wineskin of fermented pepto-bismol given to him by Gilly. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Clarifying the rule for newer players - we had some debates previously on how to determine when a drink is alcoholic/non-alcoholic. That debate was inconclusive on where the line should be drawn (even if events like this may be "obvious"). So we went with implementing the easiest and most entertaining black & white rule: EVERY drink is counted as alcoholic, unless explicitly shown not to be (e.g. S2E9 Hound "fuck the water, bring me wine") -nyan

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
this rule was dumb last year and its still dumb. -christopher.ryan36

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2016 May 9 nyan likes this
It doesn't seem dumb to me. Why do you say that? -10100100101

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2016 May 9
The brief respite of drinking _anything_ is rare enough in Westeros as it is. -dopeghoti

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2016 May 9 nyan likes this

26:06 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks while making smalltalk with Greyworm and Missandei before the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

27:08 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks from his refill as he, Grey Worm, and Missandei continue to wait for Varys at the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Deaths

46:00 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber brings Ramsay the severed head of Rickon Stark's direwolf, Shaggydog, to prove his prisoner's identity. (Death)

Does Rickon get +1 point per episode for dead Shaggydog going forward? I'm not sure how this works -apayne270

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2016 May 9 dopeghoti, julian.aronowitz, jedjackoway like this
Yes, Shaggydog gets scored just like regular characters except his points are given to Rickon. So if Rickon dies next episode, he'll be in a unique position to be receiving +2 post-episode death points thereafter. -nyan

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2016 May 9 apayne270 likes this
I'm not convinced this is actually Shaggydog. What if it turns out to be another direwolf later? -nsimmonds

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2016 May 9 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Lem Lemoncake, nyan like this
@nsimmonds this is my hunch as well... I'm expecting to have a big debate over this if it comes to pass, and unfortunately we don't have good precedents for what too do about it. There was a switcheroo for Theon's kill of the farmboys in S2, but that was during a rewatch so we knew it happened, and didn't grant the scores accordingly. -nyan

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2016 May 9
It makes no sense to fake Shaggydog but deliver the real Rickon. The only reason to fake Shaggydog would be if the whole thing is a ruse...if you're only going to fake half, clearly you fake Rickon and keep the real maybe-last-surviving-Stark safe. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
Pretty much we have to count the points here, the severed head is about as confirmed dead as you can get (else we second-guess every death on the show). The two options I can think of are:

1. Retroactively remove the points if the ruse is revealed later. Potentially upsets expectations if it changes scoring/wins from a long time ago (and what about season-spanning deception?)

2. Count the kills/death as they are apparently, and let the points stick. This allows for the same Characters to get multiple kill/death points, which was previously only allowed for very special cases (Jaqen H'ghar, Beric Dondarrion). Only exception is if the reveal happens in the same episode.

Leaning towards the second, as it's the easier way to keep consistent scoring (and not risk spoilers for late-watchers). -nyan

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2016 May 9

+1 for Roose Bolton

Special

28:09 (+3) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm with the second episode in a row with a three-syllable word:
"We conquered Astapor and Yunkai once. We will do it again and *execute* the Masters." (Special)

32:28 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Olenna to Cersei: "Margaery is the Queen. You are not the Queen, because you're not married to the king. I do appreciate these things can get a bit confusing in your family."
(Special)

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