Ramsay Bolton Did Nothing Wrong

Yronwood Winter (Public #232)

Owner: brtt.mllr

6-4, 39.5 roto pts (#5)
Z-Score: -0.194 (percentile: 42.3%)
Weeks at #1: 1
Categories won: Glasses of Wine Consumed (50)
Best Week: Episode 2: Home (+6.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Tyrion Lannister (picked #1, 106 points, 38.97% of team total)
Longest winstreak: W-3

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Deaths	Special
Tyrion Lannister The third, stunted dwarf of the Lannister children - a fugitive from Westeros after losing his trial for the murder of King Joffrey, he has escaped and found service as an advisor to Daenerys Targaryen.	#1	106	0	12	51	40	0	3
Brynden Tully (Blackfish) Known as the Blackfish, Brynden is the uncle of Catelyn Stark and Edmure Tully. He escaped the events of the Red Wedding, but his whereabouts are unknown.	-	30	0	3	15	0	12	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#49	28	0	0	0	0	28	0
The Waif A disciple in the House of Black & White. Her real identity is unknown, as she is one of the many identities used by the Faceless Men in their work.	-	27	15	0	0	0	12	0
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#32	27	0	0	0	0	0	27
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	#16	23	0	12	6	5	0	0
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	#17	16	2	0	0	5	0	9
Podrick Payne A squire in the service of Brienne of Tarth. He previously served as Tyrion Lannister's squire.	#33	8	2	0	0	0	0	6
Benjen Stark First Ranger of the Night's Watch - in S1 he disappeared on a ranging north of the Wall and his whereabouts since then are unknown.	-	4	0	0	0	0	4	0
Robin Arryn The young, sickly son of the late Jon Arryn and Lysa Tully. He is Lord of the Vale, although Petyr Baelish serves as Lord Protector until he comes of age.	#48	3	0	0	0	0	0	3
Aeron Greyjoy An uncle of Theon Greyjoy, who serves as a priest to the Drowned God.	#64	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		272	19	27	72	50	56	48

Roster

charId	Character	Special
17	Tyrion Lannister The third, stunted dwarf of the Lannister children - a fugitive from Westeros after losing his trial for the murder of King Joffrey, he has escaped and found service as an advisor to Daenerys Targaryen.	* +1 point each time he is denied a drink * +1 point whenever he physically gives someone a coin (or other legal tender)
40	Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	+1 point for reading books, mentioning he "read that in a book", or writing raven letters.
61	Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	+1 point for scenes where Theon refers to himself as "Reek" +1 point when his missing manhood is referenced
27	Podrick Payne A squire in the service of Brienne of Tarth. He previously served as Tyrion Lannister's squire.	+1 point for failed attempts at basic tasks. +1 point for surprising people with how good he is at a task
8	Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	+1 point for every scene where he has a speaking line Shaggydog's actions contribute to his points.
3	Benjen Stark First Ranger of the Night's Watch - in S1 he disappeared on a ranging north of the Wall and his whereabouts since then are unknown.
248	The Waif A disciple in the House of Black & White. Her real identity is unknown, as she is one of the many identities used by the Faceless Men in their work.	As a faceless man, gains points for actions carried out by anyone using her face.
94	Brynden Tully (Blackfish) Known as the Blackfish, Brynden is the uncle of Catelyn Stark and Edmure Tully. He escaped the events of the Red Wedding, but his whereabouts are unknown.

Kills

Episode 1: The Red Woman

16:42 (+2) Podrick Payne:

Podrick stabs a Bolton soldier through the chest as he and Brienne charge in to rescue Sansa Stark. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

17:13 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon stabs a Bolton soldier through the back while he is battling Podrick Payne. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

42:41 (+2) The Waif:

The Waif beats the crap out of blind Arya on the streets of Braavos.
Arya: "I can't see."
Waif: That's your problem, not mine." (Minor Injury of Named Character)

Episode 2: Home

29:19 (+2) The Waif:

the Waif pummels a blind Arya during another training session. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

Minor injory of named character?? Is that in the rulebook? -becharafayad1997

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2016 May 3
Injury of a named character is 5pts according to the rulebook, I guess there's a sliding scale for major/minor? Yeah, this needs clarification.
-alicehanners

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2016 May 3
Oops, you're right to bring this up. We added this last year but neglected to update the kills category. So the sliding scale (with multiplier) goes:

Named Kill: 10pts
Named Major Injury: 5pts (something permanent, like Jaime losing a hand)
Named Minor Injury: 2pts (Arya getting beat up pretty badly)
Unnamed Kill: 2pts
Unnamed Major Injury: 1pt

I'd like to keep this as a category for the future since we had it for previous seasons, but you're right that I neglected to update the rule text. I'll remove this if a lot of people feel strongly that the event doesn't belong. -nyan

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2016 May 3
I don't think a major injury needs to be permanent, but it can't be a small wound. Something they have to recover from. -alicehanners

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2016 May 4
The major/minor distinction is helpful - there is otherwise a very large gap between Jaime getting his hand cut off (major, permanent implications for the show), and a character like Arya getting a bit beat up (happens almost every fight scene, almost never affects the plot). -nyan

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

38:21 (+2) The Waif:

The Waif beats the crap out of Arya in the training montage. (Scene 1: storytime with whipping switch) (Minor Injury of Named Character)

38:29 (+2) The Waif:

The Waif beats the crap out of Arya in the training montage. (Scene 2: nighttime training with the staff) (Minor Injury of Named Character)

38:32 (+2) The Waif:

The Waif beats the crap out of Arya in the training montage. (Scene 3: daytime training with the staff) (Minor Injury of Named Character)

Episode 5: The Door

7:56 (+2) The Waif:

A weaponless Waif still manages to knock out Arya with a 4-stroke uppercut combo. "You'll never be one of us, Lady Stark." (Minor Injury of Named Character)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

4:32 (+2) Benjen Stark:

Benjen's horse stomps through a wight's chest as he rides in to Meera and Bran's rescue. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

4:47 (+4) Benjen Stark:

Benjen uses his flaming flail to knock out two wights. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

4:53 (+8) Benjen Stark:

Benjen sideswipes a wight into a tree, and kills two more with his pickaxe, and sets the last wight on fire with his flaming flail. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

43:36 (+2) Benjen Stark:

Benjen decapitates the head of a rabbit he has just hunted. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

45:55 (+5) The Waif:

The Waif stabs Arya Stark several times in the belly, although she manages to escape by diving into the canals. (Major Injury of Named Character)

Episode 8: No One

50:08 (+10) The Waif:

The Waif slits the throat of Lady Crane, who is sheltering the injured Arya Stark. "If you'd have done your job, she would have died painlessly." (Kill of Named Character)

Political Wins

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

10:55 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam convinces Gilly to go along with his plan to stay with his family in Horn Hill.
Gilly: "I know that, Sam. And he does too. You're the only one who ever has. If you think it's for the best... we trust you."
(Convincing Argument)

11:19 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Gilly acknowledges Sam's stepfather status to little Sam. Samwell proceeds to vomit from all the subsequent feels.
Samwell: "I'd feel better if you threw something at me and stormed off."
Gilly: "I'd never do that to the father of my son." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

15:01 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion overrules Missandei and Grey Worm, offering terms of compromise to the Slave Masters of Yunkai and Astapor.

"Slavery will never return to Meereen, but she will give the other cities of Slaver's Bay time to adjust to the new order. ... Instead of abolishing slavery overnight, we will give you seven years to end the practice. Slaveholders will be compensated for their losses... in exchange, you will cut off your support for the Sons of the Harpy." (Executive Decision)

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Episode 5: The Door

6:04 (+3) Brynden Tully (Blackfish):

Word of the Blackfish's exploits reaches Sansa via Littlefinger: "Your great uncle, Brynden the Blackfish, has gathered what remains of the Tully forces and retaken Riverrun." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

30:08 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Confirmation that the slave Masters agreed to Tyrion's slavery phase-out proposal.
Varys: "In the last fortnight since our pact with the Masters..." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

23:27 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell steals his father's Valyrian steel sword, Heartsbane, from above the family mantlepiece.
Gilly: "Sam. That's your father's sword."
Sam: "It's my family's sword."
Gilly: "Sam. Won't he come for it?"
Sam: "He can bloody well try." (New Weapon)

23:30 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

On his last night in Horn Hill, Samwell steals his father's Valyrian steel sword, Heartsbane, from above the family mantlepiece.
Gilly: "Sam. That's your father's sword."
Sam: "It's my family's sword."
Gilly: "Sam. Won't he come for it?"
Sam: "He can bloody well try." (Act of Betrayal)

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Well, he actually changed his allegiance when entering the Night's Watch but the theft should still be considered some kind of betrayal, as Lord Randyll goes on about how Sam has no right to Heartsbane during the family reunion dinner. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1
Actually, he rather clarifies that Sam _does_ have a right to it, but that intends to defy that right. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 2
True! Still, I feel this should somehow be counted as an act of betrayal.
Although, diving a little deeper into Westerosi inheritance customs: That Sam cannot inherit anything, be it Randyll's title, the castle, the weapon or anything else, has become self-evident for every Westerosi, the moment Sam joined the Night's Watch. This is an essential part of NW membership. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 2
But well.. the lore/background shouldn't have such an importance. What counts is the depicition of events in the series, I'd say. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 2
just because Sam doesn't have a right to the sword doesn't mean its not a betrayal. It is his family, allegiance has nothing to do with inheritance. -cmwalken15

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2016 Jun 2
he gave up his family name though when he took the black -as38

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2016 Jun 2

Episode 7: The Broken Man

20:26 (+3) Brynden Tully (Blackfish):

The Freys attempt to negotiate for the surrender of Riverrun by threatening to cut Edmure Tully's throat. The Blackfish coldly calls their bluff without regard for his nephew's life, convincing them to spare the heir to House Tully (for now).

Black Walder: "Yield the castle, or I cut his throat."
Brynden: "Go on, then. Cut his throat." (Convincing Argument)

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I think convincing argument is actually the best fit here, if you see it as a negotiation - the castle for Edmure's life. The Freys are prepared to take at least one, and the Blackfish verbally calls their bluff and gets them to act his way (sparing Edmure, for now). What would you think about expanding "convincing argument" to including "winning a negotiation" to better fit these situations in the future? -nyan

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2016 Jun 7 as38, dopeghoti, righteous like this
Isn't this an executive decision? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 9
Well he didn't really give an order that was carried out. I added it as convincing argument for the reasons outlined, but it isn't quite a perfect fit. Another one this could fit under is "secret discovery", i.e. he calls the Freys' bluff and discovers that they don't actually have the balls/permission to kill Edmure. -nyan

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2016 Jun 9

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

3:23 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion convinces Daenerys to go with a less bloodthirsty response to the slavers attacking Meereen.

Daenerys: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt. That is my plan. You don't approve?"
Tyrion: "You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King's Landing when the Lannister armies were at his gates? ... He had caches of wildfire hidden under the Red Keep, the Guildhalls, the Sept of Baelor, all the major thoroughfares. He would have burned every one of his citizens. The loyal ones and the traitors. Every man, woman, and child..."
Daenerys: "This is entirely different."
Tyrion: "You're talking about destroying cities. It's not entirely different. I'd like to suggest an alternate approach." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

47:04 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

"I had something made for you. I'm not sure if it's right... Tyrion Lannister, I name you Hand of the Queen." (New Title)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: The Red Woman

29:17 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion with the completely uncalled-for burn on Varys.
Varys: "You walk as though the paving stones were your personal property. I used to steal from people like you when I was a boy."
Tyrion: "It's a good thing you're not a boy anymore. ... Because you have no cock." (Witty Insult)

Episode 2: Home

22:03 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion: "Dragons do not do well in captivity."
Missandei: "How do you know this?"
Tyrion: "That's what I do. I drink and I know things." (Funny Line)

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22:46 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

reasoning with Varys as he disapproves of Tyrion's alcoholism: "If I'd lost my cock, I'd drink all the time." (Funny Line)

22:55 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Varys: "If I'd lost my cock, I'd drink all the time."
to Greyworm: "... meaning no offense. He makes dwarf jokes, I make eunuch jokes."
Varys: "I do NOT make dwarf jokes."
to Varys: "You think them." (gives Varys the eye) (Funny Line)

I thinks scoring all three of these as separate funny lines is a stretch. This comment alone isn't particularly funny, and it's more of a general exchange. I'll grant that maybe the two could be separate--one is the eunuch joke, the other is an exchange saving face in front of Grey Worm. -alicehanners

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2016 May 2 bookworm13457 and Twisted like this
I thinks scoring all three of these as separate funny lines is a stretch. This comment alone isn't particularly funny, and it's more of a general exchange. I'll grant that maybe the two could be separate--one is the eunuch joke, the other is an exchange saving face in front of Grey Worm. -alicehanners

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2016 May 2 moonbaseu92, coconnor723, Lem Lemoncake, jedjackoway like this
Totally agree with Alice here, does not meet the bar (especially for Tyrion). -coconnor723

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2016 May 2 bookworm13457 and Twisted like this
Yeah, Tyrion sometimes has these scenes that are just written as comic sequences. Combined with how fantastic Peter Dinklage is at delivering them, it almost makes it too easy for Tyrion. Will likely fold this 2nd and the 3rd event (http://fantasora.com/event/1985) together. -nyan

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26:17 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Daenerys' imprisoned dragons: "I'm friends with your mother. I'm here to help... Don't eat the help." (Funny Line)

28:30 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Varys: "Next time I have an idea like that... punch me in the face." (Funny Line)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

26:31 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion: "A wise man once said, a true history of the world is a history of great conversations in elegant rooms."
Missandei: "Who said this?"
Tyrion: "Me. Just now."
*awkward long pause*
Tyrion: "... alright, no conversations." (Funny Line)

I don't think this was actually funny (it fell pretty flat to me) so I don't think Tyrion should receive any points for this! -Capnstoobie

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2016 May 9 danny136200 likes this
I disagree. It is the same level of humor as his other statements -skywalkerdude

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2016 May 10
Yeah, Tyrion hasn't been doing much else throughout the last season or any episode of this season than deliver semi-funny lines. Too bad his character has become somewhat one dimensional :/ -Lem Lemoncake

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27:27 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Greyworm and Missandei: "Alright no drinking, we can play without drinking. It's a wonderful game - I invented it. Here's how it works: I make a statement about your past; if I'm wrong, I drink. And if I'm right... maybe we can't play without drinking." (Funny Line)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

16:21 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

in Valyrian to the former slaves in the Meereenese court: "Large sorry... you wait so fat time." (Funny Line)

Episode 5: The Door

30:41 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

"The Sons of the Harpy have a good story: resist the foreign invaders. Our queen has an even better story. Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Chains, ...and all that." (Funny Line)

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31:47 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to High Priestess Kinvara: "Thank you for travelling all this way. I know from personal experience how uncomfortable the journey can be. *looks at Varys*" (Funny Line)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

7:24 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam: "I told them I met you in the North."
Gilly: "Did you tell them how far north?"
Sam: "Well, it wasn't a very large piece of parchment..." (Funny Line)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

29:17 (+3) Brynden Tully (Blackfish):

The Blackfish: "I assume you're here to fulfill the vow you gave my niece. I don't see Sansa and Arya."
Jaime: "I don't have them."
The Blackfish: "Pity. Do you wish to resume your captivity?" (Witty Insult)

30:07 (+3) Brynden Tully (Blackfish):

Jaime Lanniser: "But if you surrender, I'll spare the lives of your men. On my honor."
Blackfish: "Your honor? Bargaining with oathbreakers is like building on quicksand." (Witty Insult)

30:46 (+3) Brynden Tully (Blackfish):

to Jaime: "We have enough provisions for two years. Do you have two years, Kingslayer?" (Threat)

30:59 (+3) Brynden Tully (Blackfish):

Jaime Lannister: "You clearly have no intention of saving your men's lives. Why did you come treat with me?"
Blackfish: "Sieges are dull. And I wanted to see you in person, get the measure of you."
Jaime: "Well, now you have."
Blackfish: "Aye, now I have. I'm disappointed." (Witty Insult)

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Episode 8: No One

9:57 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Varys: "If you shaved your beard with a straight razor, you'd say the razor worked. That doesn't mean it won't cut your throat."
Tyrion: "Spoken like a man who has never had to shave." (Witty Insult)

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No, what Tyrion said was not a metaphor -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 15
But it's also definitely isn't an insult. Why is pointing out that someone doesn't have to shave a witty insult? It seems neither witty nor insulting to me -cfitzgerald

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2016 Jun 15
It's basically another eunuch jab/reference, since you don't grow any hair if you're castrated before puberty. -nyan

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2016 Jun 15

26:24 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Missandei: "I have tried wine before. It made me feel funny."
Tyrion: "That's how you know it's working." (Funny Line)

40:41 (+3) Brynden Tully (Blackfish):

"I haven't had a proper sword fight in years. I expect I'll make a damn fool of myself." (Funny Line)

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Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

0:00 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion: "Everyone who makes a joke about a dwarf's height thinks he's the only person ever to make a joke about a dwarf's height. 'The height of nobility,' 'a man of your stature,' 'someone to look up to.' You're all making the same five or six jokes."
Theon: "It was a long time ago."
Tyrion: "It was. And how have things been going for you since then?" (Witty Insult)

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Did this happen btw? Wasn't it Tyrion who repeatedly insulted Theon for being a captive at Winterfell and so on, after Theon recommended a red-headed prostitute to Tyrion? -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 21 nyan likes this
Other explicit lines have already been submitted for this -becharafayad1997

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2016 Jun 21
What other lines? -tibbydoscott

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2016 Jun 21
This suggestion is for Tyrion's opening to Theon: "Everyone who makes a joke about a dwarf's height thinks he's the only person ever to make a joke about a dwarf's height. "The height of nobility," "a man of your stature," "someone to look up to." You're all making the same five or six jokes."
Theon: "It was a long time ago."
Tyrion: "It was. And how have things been going for you since then?" -nyan

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2016 Jun 22
Ok. I can see how this would be rolled into one overall insult to Theon for is arrogant ignorance of his own stupidity. But I still think it could two separate insults. -tibbydoscott

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2016 Jun 22

9:52 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Missandei: "Our Queen insists that one of you must die as punishment for your crimes."
Tyrion: "It always seems a bit abstract, doesn't it, other people dying?" (Witty Insult)

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26:44 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Theon Greyjoy: "I didn't murder the Stark boys. But I did things that were just as bad or worse."
Yara Greyjoy: "And he paid for them."
Tyrion: "Doesn't seem like it. He's still alive." (Witty Insult)

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How is this a threat? -alexanderdropkin

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I agree. This definitely did not seem like it was meant to be a threat, nor did it seem to be taken as one -cfitzgerald

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2016 Jun 21 alicehanners likes this
Somewhere between threat and insult? The insinuation that whatever Theon claims to have suffered for his crimes, it's still trifling compared to the atrocities he committed. Possibly with a vague threat that Daenerys should really execute him instead. In any case, moving into the pending queue since there seems to be a fair amount of dispute on this. -nyan

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2016 Jun 21 emilien.raggi likes this
Yeah, I didn't parse this as a threat at all; more of an "if it were up to me", while acknowledging the fact that in the present situation, he would not be in his rights to summarily imprison Theon. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 21 Laxis likes this
More like funny
-becharafayad1997

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2016 Jun 21
Yeah, I'd go with "witty insult" for the category. This is a clever way of saying "you don't deserve to be alive". -jimwangerin

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27:09 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Daenerys: "...I expect you want me to support your claim to the throne of the Iron Islands?"
Theon: "Not my claim. Hers."
Daenerys: "And what's wrong with you?"
Theon: "I'm not fit to rule."
Tyrion: "We can agree upon that at least." (Witty Insult)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

29:43 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Citadel receptionist: "This is irregular."
Samwell: "Yes, well... I suppose that... life is irregular." (Funny Line)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 2: Home

23:19 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks during the meeting of the Meereenese council. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

24:46 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion downs glass #2 as he devises a plan to get the dragons to eat during the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

9:05 (+5) Samwell Tarly:

After vomiting from his sea-sickness, Sam drinks from a wineskin of fermented pepto-bismol given to him by Gilly. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Clarifying the rule for newer players - we had some debates previously on how to determine when a drink is alcoholic/non-alcoholic. That debate was inconclusive on where the line should be drawn (even if events like this may be "obvious"). So we went with implementing the easiest and most entertaining black & white rule: EVERY drink is counted as alcoholic, unless explicitly shown not to be (e.g. S2E9 Hound "fuck the water, bring me wine") -nyan

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
this rule was dumb last year and its still dumb. -christopher.ryan36

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2016 May 9 nyan likes this
It doesn't seem dumb to me. Why do you say that? -10100100101

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2016 May 9
The brief respite of drinking _anything_ is rare enough in Westeros as it is. -dopeghoti

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26:06 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks while making smalltalk with Greyworm and Missandei before the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

27:08 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks from his refill as he, Grey Worm, and Missandei continue to wait for Varys at the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

13:28 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks wine at the beginning of the negotiations with the slave masters of Astapor and Yunkai. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 5: The Door

31:13 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks while discussing a PR strategy for the brokered peace agreement during the Meerenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

35:48 (+5) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara forces Theon to drink while the fleet is docked.
Theon: "I don't want any."
Yara: "I don't care what you want. Drink." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 8: No One

25:41 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks in the Meereenese council room. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

27:23 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion refills and drinks while fantasizing about retirement as a winemaker. "One day, after our Queen has taken the Seven Kingdoms, I'd like to have my own vineyard. Make my own wine. The Imp's Delight. Only my close friends could drink it." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Deaths

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

46:00 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber brings Ramsay the severed head of Rickon Stark's direwolf, Shaggydog, to prove his prisoner's identity. (Death)

Does Rickon get +1 point per episode for dead Shaggydog going forward? I'm not sure how this works -apayne270

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2016 May 9 dopeghoti, julian.aronowitz, jedjackoway like this
Yes, Shaggydog gets scored just like regular characters except his points are given to Rickon. So if Rickon dies next episode, he'll be in a unique position to be receiving +2 post-episode death points thereafter. -nyan

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2016 May 9 apayne270 likes this
I'm not convinced this is actually Shaggydog. What if it turns out to be another direwolf later? -nsimmonds

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2016 May 9 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Lem Lemoncake, nyan like this
@nsimmonds this is my hunch as well... I'm expecting to have a big debate over this if it comes to pass, and unfortunately we don't have good precedents for what too do about it. There was a switcheroo for Theon's kill of the farmboys in S2, but that was during a rewatch so we knew it happened, and didn't grant the scores accordingly. -nyan

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2016 May 9
It makes no sense to fake Shaggydog but deliver the real Rickon. The only reason to fake Shaggydog would be if the whole thing is a ruse...if you're only going to fake half, clearly you fake Rickon and keep the real maybe-last-surviving-Stark safe. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
Pretty much we have to count the points here, the severed head is about as confirmed dead as you can get (else we second-guess every death on the show). The two options I can think of are:

1. Retroactively remove the points if the ruse is revealed later. Potentially upsets expectations if it changes scoring/wins from a long time ago (and what about season-spanning deception?)

2. Count the kills/death as they are apparently, and let the points stick. This allows for the same Characters to get multiple kill/death points, which was previously only allowed for very special cases (Jaqen H'ghar, Beric Dondarrion). Only exception is if the reveal happens in the same episode.

Leaning towards the second, as it's the easier way to keep consistent scoring (and not risk spoilers for late-watchers). -nyan

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2016 May 9

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

+1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 5: The Door

+1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

44:55 (+10) Benjen Stark:

Benjen tells the story of his death and resurrection to Bran Stark: "I led a ranging party deep into the North to find White Walkers. They found us. A white walker stabbed me in the gut with a sword of ice. Left me there to die. To turn. The Children found me. Stopped the walker's magic from taking hold." (Death)

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since this is so unclear I believe the most we would be able to do with this is give points for a major injury as it is so unclear as to whether or not benjen was actually dead at any point -as38

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2016 Jun 30
But it is not unclear, do to the vidual cues of the whightification process, which can only occur to a dead person. As well as the ipso facto logic of Benjen's lines is episode 10. -cmwalken15

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2016 Jun 30
Yes, there are clear visual signs of rotting flesh on his face. WW-ification had definitely begun. -righteous

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2016 Jul 1

+1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 7: The Broken Man

+1 for Benjen Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 8: No One

41:28 (+10) Brynden Tully (Blackfish):

A Lannister guard confirms Brynden Tully's death to Jaime Lannister.
Blackfish: "I haven't had a proper sword fight in years. I expect I'll make a damn fool of myself." (Death)

55:51 (+10) The Waif:

The Waif is killed after she chases Arya into her darkened quarters, where Arya is able to extinguish the lone candle illuminating the room and gain the upper hand in complete darkness. (Death)

+1 for Benjen Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

14:39 (+0) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber tosses out Shaggydog's severed head to prove to Jon and Sansa that they have Rickon as their prisoner. (Dead Body Appearance)

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Just out of curiosity: When Robb's corpse with Grey Wind's head sewn on top of it is shown, would Robb receive double points? :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22 nyan and dopeghoti like this
I'd say so. One score for Robb, and one score for Grey Wind, who scores for Robb. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22
I'm so glad we changed the death scoring to this from the automatic 1pt. The scoring possibilities for the rewatch are going to be delicious. -nyan

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2016 Jun 22 Lem Lemoncake likes this

35:44 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Rickon is killed by an arrow through his chest by Ramsay Bolton, after being given a chance to run to freedom towards the Stark army. (Death)

+1 for Benjen Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Brynden Tully (Blackfish), +1 for The Waif

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

+1 for Benjen Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Brynden Tully (Blackfish), +1 for The Waif

Special

Episode 1: The Red Woman

29:58 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion gives a coin to the Meereenese homeless woman and her baby to feed themselves. (Special)

Episode 2: Home

38:35 (+3) Podrick Payne:

Podrick spends 12 seconds of screentime flicking away at his flintstone in an attempt to start a campfire. We eventually do see the kindling get started in the next shot, after Brienne comes over to supervise. (Special)

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Podrick not being able to start the fire could be seen as a failed attempt at a basic task -kmahan

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2016 May 3 hawaiikman likes this
This will be rejected, I just wanted an event to talk about how close Podrick was to NOT starting a fire after flicking at the flintstone for a good 10 seconds. Alas he's now competent at a lot of things. -nyan

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2016 May 2
Seems a lot of people actually though the opposite - added! To add evidence to Pod's incompetence, the 12 seconds of spark-making Podrick is alone, and in the next shot when we finally see the fire get started, Brienne has arrived to supervise Pod. -nyan

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2016 May 3

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

43:11 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon acts against his own self-interest, throwing away his own claim in support of his sister Yara ruling the Iron Islands. (Special)

submitted by skywalkerdude (approved!)

Episode 5: The Door

19:44 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon elects to stump for his sister Yara, after other some of the other Ironborn nominate him to inherit the Salt Throne. "I am Theon Greyjoy, last living son of Balon Greyjoy ... and she is your rightful ruler." (Special)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

35:42 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara forces Theon to drink while the fleet is docked.
Theon: "I don't want any."
Yara: "I don't care what you want. Drink." (Special)

submitted by rls14 (approved!)

This should be scored for Yara, not Theon -moonbaseu92

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2016 Jun 6
It's for Theon's special, which is any time he acts against his own interest when instructed to by another -bookworm13457

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2016 Jun 6 jedjackoway likes this
In fairness, I don't think it was against Theon's best interest; it was against the lingering Reek's. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 6
This definitely should invoke his special ability. The ability is "when Theon acts against his own self-interest, due to someone else's instructions." He doesn't want to drink, that's his self-interest. he is forced to by his sister's instruction. -skywalkerdude

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2016 Jun 7 jedjackoway and alicehanners like this
My comment was in jest, sir or ma'am or other. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 7

Episode 8: No One

14:43 (+3) Podrick Payne:

Podrick fails to keep his guard up as Bronn is able to sneak up behind him and grab him in a chokehold. Bronn: "Podrick fucking Payne. I thought you'd be dead by now." (Special)

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