Matchup: The Usurpers vs Where the Wildlings Are for Ep 3

The Usurpers (drico2424)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Special
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	#18	9	6	3	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities, and now serves as Master of Whispers in King's Landing.	#50	6	6	0	0
Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	#2	3	0	0	3
Khal Moro The leader of a new Khalasar of Dothraki.	#47	0	0	0	0
Lyanna Stark Eddard Stark's sister. She was kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryen and subsequently died, which sparked Robert Baratheon and the Starks to rebel against he Targaryens.	-	0	0	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, bannermen to the Lannisters. He defeated Prince Oberyn Martell in a trial by combat for Tyrion Lannister's role in King Joffrey's death, although he was gravely injured in the fight. He appears to have recovered (in some form) under Grand Maester Qyburn's care, and returns to serve as a member of the Kingsguard.	#34	0	0	0	0
Missandei A freed slave from Astapor, who serves Daenerys as an advisor and translator.	#31	0	0	0	0
Davos Seaworth Ser Davos is a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	#15	0	0	0	0
Totals		18	12	3	3

Where the Wildlings Are (jasonl55551)

Character	Drafted	Total	Insults	Deaths	Special
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#58	10	0	10	0
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Free-spirited and rebellious, Arya escaped the war-ravaged Westeros and currently resides in Braavos, where she trains under the face-changing assassin Jaqen H'ghar in the House of Black and White.	#7	6	3	0	3
Olenna Redwyne (Grandma Tyrell) The matriarch of House Tyrell, Olenna is the grandmother of Margaery and Loras. She is known as the "Queen of Thorns" for her sarcasm and wit.	#42	3	3	0	0
Trystane Martell Prince Doran Martell's son, and heir to Dorne. He is betrothed to Myrcella Baratheon, and accompanies her back to King's Landing to serve on the Small Council.	#39	1	0	1	0
Robin Arryn The young, sickly son of the late Jon Arryn and Lysa Tully. He is Lord of the Vale, although Petyr Baelish serves as Lord Protector until he comes of age.	#55	0	0	0	0
Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. Sansa has spent many of her past years as prisoner to the Lannisters and more recently, House Bolton, the new Warden of the North. Currently she is married to Ramsay, the heir of House Bolton, who keeps her imprisoned in Winterfell and tortures her sadistically. During the Bolton battle against Stannis Baratheon's forces, Sansa escapes over the Winterfell walls with the help of Theon Greyjoy, and the two make their way as far from the Boltons as possible. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	#10	0	0	0	0
Daario Naharis Leader of the Second Sons, a sellsword company who now serves Daenerys Targaryen. He is also one of Daneerys' trusted advisors and her lover.	#26	0	0	0	0
Tommen Baratheon The King of the Seven Kingdoms after the assassination of his brother, Joffrey Baratheon. He is young and highly impressionable to the various influences in King's Landing that seek to control him.	#23	0	0	0	0
Totals		20	6	11	3

Political Wins

22:25 (+3) Varys:

Varys' investigations have exposed Vala, the Meereenese prostitute who lured the Unsullied to her brothel so that the Sons of the Harpy could murder them.
"I know who you are and what you've done. You've done a lot. You've sacrificed your body for a cause, which is more than most people do. And you've helped the Sons of the Harpy murder the Unsullied and the Second Sons." (Secret Discovery)

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27:55 (+3) Varys:

Varys has discovered the source of the rebellion's funding after coercing the prostitute Vala.
"Sorry.. I was busy, learning who funds the Sons of the Harpy. Some things you can't rush... The Good Masters of Astapor, and the Wise Masters of Yunkai, with help from their friends in Volantis." (Secret Discovery)

29:05 (+3) Qyburn:

Qyburn gains the loyalty of Varys' old spy network of little birds. They turn out to be beggar children from the streets of King's Landing, one of whom is named Arthur..
Qyburn: "Your eye looks much better, Arthur. How's your mother's jaw?"
Arthur: "Better."
Qyburn: "And your father?"
Arthur: "No one's seen him."
Qyburn: "And no one will. That worked out rather nicely." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Thanks for the catch @nsimmonds, I definitely missed Arthur's name. -nyan

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2016 May 12
Phew, this seems like a lot of points - and I do have Qyburn on my team :o
I found the argument with the army quite convincing.. Dany would have needed to get points for each Unsullied then, right? Furthermore: Are Varys' birds already Qyburn's followers? They don't seem entirely convinced they can trust him. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 12
oops, you caught it in-between the edit process. This is set to just 1pt (x3) for the single named follower (Arthur). -nyan

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2016 May 12 Lem Lemoncake likes this

29:21 (+3) Qyburn:

Qyburn tracks down and recruits Varys' "little birds" of King's Landing. (Secret Discovery)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

22:02 (+3) Varys:

to Unsullied guards while fanning himself: "I don't know how you stand in all that leather." (Funny Line)

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32:14 (+3) Olenna Redwyne (Grandma Tyrell):

Olenna: "I was invited, my dear, to help deal with several troublesome issues, such as the Queen's imprisonment."
Cersei: "Thank you for bringing it up. It's well past time we addressed the abuses I endured."
Olenna: "Margaery is the Queen. You are not the Queen, because you're not married to the king. I do appreciate these things can get a bit confusing in your family."
(Witty Insult)

40:15 (+3) Arya Stark:

Waif: "That's a short list. That can't be everyone you want to kill. Are you sure you're not forgetting someone?"
Arya: "Which name would you like a girl to speak?" (Threat)

Not sure this counts as a threat. Who's she threatening? It's hardly a threat any more than Joffrey was threatening every time he brandished a sword or aimed a crossbow at nothing. -alicehanners

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 and Lem Lemoncake like this
I think you're missing that it's implied she was threatening to speak their names. I watched this a few times and definitely got that hint. -klov3r

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2016 May 9 nyan, kodytwiford, jedjackoway like this
Oh lol, I never understood that as a threat.. but well, I expected that the Waif wanted her to name Arya Stark in order for her absurdly boring Jedi training to finally end. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 9
klov3r's interpretation is what I had in mind. Like a "Yours is on it too, but a girl supposedly has no name." There's also a marked shift in the reaction of the Waif after this line, as if she realizes that she's scared of being a target, and isn't so nameless after all. -nyan

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2016 May 9 jedjackoway likes this
Oh come on, that's the most ridiculous interpretation. She's SUPPOSED to say "Which name would you like a girl to speak?" because she's becoming and assassin. She's not threatening Waif. How on earth. -alicehanners

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2016 May 10 bookworm13457 likes this

Deaths

46:00 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber brings Ramsay the severed head of Rickon Stark's direwolf, Shaggydog, to prove his prisoner's identity. (Death)

Does Rickon get +1 point per episode for dead Shaggydog going forward? I'm not sure how this works -apayne270

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2016 May 9 dopeghoti, julian.aronowitz, jedjackoway like this
Yes, Shaggydog gets scored just like regular characters except his points are given to Rickon. So if Rickon dies next episode, he'll be in a unique position to be receiving +2 post-episode death points thereafter. -nyan

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2016 May 9 apayne270 likes this
I'm not convinced this is actually Shaggydog. What if it turns out to be another direwolf later? -nsimmonds

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2016 May 9 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Lem Lemoncake, nyan like this
@nsimmonds this is my hunch as well... I'm expecting to have a big debate over this if it comes to pass, and unfortunately we don't have good precedents for what too do about it. There was a switcheroo for Theon's kill of the farmboys in S2, but that was during a rewatch so we knew it happened, and didn't grant the scores accordingly. -nyan

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2016 May 9
It makes no sense to fake Shaggydog but deliver the real Rickon. The only reason to fake Shaggydog would be if the whole thing is a ruse...if you're only going to fake half, clearly you fake Rickon and keep the real maybe-last-surviving-Stark safe. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
Pretty much we have to count the points here, the severed head is about as confirmed dead as you can get (else we second-guess every death on the show). The two options I can think of are:

1. Retroactively remove the points if the ruse is revealed later. Potentially upsets expectations if it changes scoring/wins from a long time ago (and what about season-spanning deception?)

2. Count the kills/death as they are apparently, and let the points stick. This allows for the same Characters to get multiple kill/death points, which was previously only allowed for very special cases (Jaqen H'ghar, Beric Dondarrion). Only exception is if the reveal happens in the same episode.

Leaning towards the second, as it's the easier way to keep consistent scoring (and not risk spoilers for late-watchers). -nyan

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2016 May 9

+1 for Trystane Martell

Special

32:28 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Olenna to Cersei: "Margaery is the Queen. You are not the Queen, because you're not married to the king. I do appreciate these things can get a bit confusing in your family."
(Special)

40:15 (+3) Arya Stark:

Waif: "Who else was on Arya Stark's funny little list?"
Arya: "Cersei Lannister. Gregor Clegane. Walder Frey." (Special)

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