Matchup: House Tyrell vs Fisting of the First Men for Ep 4

House Tyrell (JJ)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Osha A wildling woman who serves the Starks. She splits off from Bran's group and travels with Rickon.	#56	18	0	3	0	5	10	0
Khal Moro The leader of a new Khalasar of Dothraki.	#40	13	0	3	0	0	10	0
Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. Sansa has spent many of her past years as prisoner to the Lannisters and more recently, House Bolton, the new Warden of the North. Currently she is married to Ramsay, the heir of House Bolton, who keeps her imprisoned in Winterfell and tortures her sadistically. During the Bolton battle against Stannis Baratheon's forces, Sansa escapes over the Winterfell walls with the help of Theon Greyjoy, and the two make their way as far from the Boltons as possible. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	#9	11	3	0	5	0	0	3
Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, and formerly a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall. Although they have met in battle more than once, he bears a grudging respect for Jon Snow.	#25	5	0	0	5	0	0	0
Tycho Nestoris A representative of the Iron Bank of Braavos, a powerful bank who holds a large sum of debt from the Iron Throne.	#57	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Davos Seaworth Ser Davos is a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	#24	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Gilly A wildling who lived north of the Wall. After she befriended Samwell Tarly, she escaped with him to Castle Black, and now sails with him to Oldtown as Sam begins his Maester's training.	#41	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Free-spirited and rebellious, Arya escaped the war-ravaged Westeros and currently resides in Braavos, where she trains under the face-changing assassin Jaqen H'ghar in the House of Black and White.	#8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		47	3	6	10	5	20	3

Fisting of the First Men (chrisholland5445)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Sex	Deaths	Special
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	#2	87	54	15	3	15	0	0
Robin Arryn The young, sickly son of the late Jon Arryn and Lysa Tully. He is Lord of the Vale, although Petyr Baelish serves as Lord Protector until he comes of age.	#50	3	0	0	0	0	0	3
Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	#31	1	0	0	0	0	1	0
Areo Hotah The personal bodyguard for Doran Martell.	#47	1	0	0	0	0	1	0
Kevan Lannister The younger brother of the late Tywin Lannister, Lord of Casterly Rock. Often underestimated as his brother's inferior, Kevan is one of the few in King's Landing who is not afraid to stand up against Cersei Lannister's schemes. With Cersei's imprisonment, he has returned to serve as Hand of the King to the young King Tommen Baratheon.	#63	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Margaery Tyrell The wife of King Tommen Baratheon and Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Her increasing influence over the young king have put at her odds against his mother, Cersei Lannister.	#18	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Walder Frey The elderly Lord of the Twins and now Lord of Riverrun after his betrayal of Robb Stark and the Northern forces.	#34	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre served as a close advisor to Stannis Baratheon until she abandoned his cause at the Battle of Winterfell against the Boltons.	#15	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		92	54	15	3	15	2	3

Kills

55:17 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys shoves the last torchstand at Khal Moro, burning him alive inside the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen. (Kill of Named Character)

56:01 (+20) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with Khal Rhalko and Khal Forzo inside of it. (Kill of Named Character)

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Rhalko is named by Khal Moro, "You'd rather be sold into slaver? Or maybe you'd like to show Rhalko here what you taste like?".

Forzo was not, but existed as a draftable character based on casting rumors, so he's included.

Qhono was not actually in the tent, he's visible as one of the Dothraki in the crowd approaching the burning Temple (around 59:23 on the hbogo stream). -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Will clarify the new precedent in rulebook. The "named" character definition will be bent a little to include:
* all draftable characters
* "boss fight" characters, to borrow from video game terminology (pending)

For more discussion on the new "Kills of Named Character" criteria, check out the proposal at: http://fantasora.com/event/2394 -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Maybe it would be clearer if you simply changed it to "Kills of Draftable Characters/Bosses" :D -Lem Lemoncake

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56:01 (+24) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with twelve unnamed Khals and their bloodriders inside of it, in addition to Khal Moro, Rhalko, and Forzo. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

27:30 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces her rescuers on a new escape plan
Daenerys: "We will *never* get out of Vaes Dothrak alive."
Jorah: "All we can do is try."
Daenerys: "No. We can do more than that. And you're going to help me." (Convincing Argument)

50:10 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa convinces Jon to rally the Wildling armies and march on Winterfell.

"You are the son of the last true Warden of the North. Northern families are loyal. They'll fight for you if you ask. A monster has taken our home and our brother. We have to go back to Winterfell and save them both." (Convincing Argument)

56:22 (+9) Daenerys Targaryen:

The Dothraki of Vaes Dothrak arrive at the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and bow down to Daenerys as their new ruler, after she kills off all of the Khals by burning them alive in the Temple. Among them are Khal Moro's bloodrider Qhono, the High Priestess of the Dosh Khaleen, and the Lhazareen Khal widow. (New Follower/Prisoner)

56:28 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys claims dominion over Vaes Dothrak as the inhabits of the city bow down to her, after her burning of the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and all of the ruling Khals inside of it. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

43:47 (+3) Osha:

Ramsay: "Do you know who I am?"
Osha: "A lord."
Ramsay: "Yes. A lord. You've seen my banners?"
Osha: "The flayed man."
Ramsay: "Does that worry you at all?"
Osha: "You eat them after?"
Ramsay: "No."
Osha: "Then I've seen worse." (Witty Insult)

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53:14 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

to the Dothraki Khals: "And here, now, what great matters do the Great Khals discuss? Which little villages you'll raid, how many girls you'll get to fuck, how many horses you'll demand in tribute. You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki." (Witty Insult)

53:47 (+3) Khal Moro:

to Daenerys: "All right. No Dosh Khaleen for you. Instead we'll take turns fucking you. And then we'll let our bloodriders fuck you. And if there's anything left of you, we'll give our horses a turn." (Threat)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

5:39 (+5) Sansa Stark:

Sansa steals away Jon's mug of ale before he can even take an on-screen sip. Jon gets the last laugh as she coughs it back up. "You'd think after thousands of years, the Night's Watch would have learned how to make a good ale." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

48:01 (+5) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund drinks from his mug as Jon Snow unrolls the letter from Ramsay Bolton. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

45:54 (+5) Osha:

Osha gets her hands in Ramsay's pants. "Same thing men always want. And when they really want it, they give it a bath first." (Act of Intercourse)

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We saw that Osha got farther than the slavers, comparing it to other events in this episode, at least. -cjcookart

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2016 May 17
@taylor Theon's torture scene is another good example. We actually never did a rewatch for S3 so it hasn't been scored, but it has similarities to this one, though it ends up a good deal more sexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLQxu9aHdc

The game and scoring should continue evolving better definitions, so don't automatically take the S2 points as evidence that this should also count for sex. Instead I would use it as a thought experiment - the two situations are very similar, so whichever way I feel about scoring one, should probably apply to the other. If I feel that they should be scored differently, what is the criteria that differentiates them?

I would also say that, while the on-screen intimacy shown here definitely feels more "deserving" than the Slavers' scene, the game still works as long as the rules are clear and consistent, e.g. if we decide on "full penetration" or "skin-on-skin contact of reproductive organs" as criteria. It can end up excluding a few worthy events, but also adds an extra element of detail to be on the lookout for. The intricacies of wine drinking and the refill mechanics are my personal favorite examples of precise scorekeeping that makes for a more fun fantasy-watching experience, compared to a more common-sense approach that eyeballs how many drinks were consumed. -nyan

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2016 May 17 cjcookart likes this
We'll go with "direct contact with reproductive organs", which this will count for. This verbage has been added to the rulebook. -nyan

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55:58 (+15) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys emerges outside of the burning Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with her clothes burned away, but unharmed. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

Guess I was wrong about the actress saying no more nude scenes. Maybe she meant nude scenes where she isn't bathed in fire. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 righteous, nyan, jedjackoway like this
In response to the comment above this:

There is a interview with Emilia Clarke specifically about this scene. She agreed to do a nude scene if it was in private. So they filmed her I believe in Belfast on a "closed set" with only a couple of people. The rest of the scene was filmed in Spain I think and basically they used CGI to make it look like Khaleesi/Emilia was actually there with everyone else. -marksizzle

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2016 May 16 nyan and taylorreneegoodrich like this
We were actually debating at my viewing party if they CGI'ed her body and that's why the nudity was included.

Or maybe she was just trying to throw off Fantasora drafts!! -coconnor723

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Deaths

46:30 (+10) Osha:

Osha bleeds out on the floor of Ramsay Bolton's quarters, after her failed attempt to assassinate him. (Death)

55:21 (+10) Khal Moro:

Khal Moro is burned alive inside the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen as Daenerys shoves the last torchstand at him. (Death)

+1 for Doran Martell, +1 for Areo Hotah

Special

10:40 (+3) Robin Arryn:

Petyr Baelish, to Lord Royce: "Your home is the Vale. The Lord of the Vale stands before us. And only his judgment concerns me."
Robin Arryn: "Shall we throw him through the Moon Door?" (Special)

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49:50 (+3) Sansa Stark:

One teardrop rolled down to her bottom cheek as she reads about Rickon's capture in Ramsay's letter to Jon Snow. (Special)

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Are you sure she wasn't salivating over that Night's Watch mutton? ? Will do a rewatch of this to check. -nyan

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2016 May 16 taylorreneegoodrich and golub.jake like this
It's after jon says "We don't know that" when she says "Yes we do" -rbxd187

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The tear that was promised. https://imgur.com/npVqeEm -nyan

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Incredible eagle eyes, @golub.jake -nyan

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