Matchup: Old Melisandre is Hot vs A Man Does Not Know His Name for Ep 7

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Old Melisandre is Hot (Hodor's Ho)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine
Tyrion Lannister Quick to wit and even quicker to the drink, Tyrion is the youngest of three Lannister children. After being exiled by his sister Cersei, he has joined with Daenerys Targaryen, serving as her Hand of the Queen and most trusted adviser.	#4	34	0	9	15	10
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon is slowly recovering from physical and mental breakdown during his time as a prisoner of Ramsay Bolton. He currently accompanies his sister Yara Greyjoy, who has pledged her Ironborn forces to the cause of Daenerys Targaryen.	#29	4	1	3	0	0
Edmure Tully Catelyn Stark's brother, and the heir to House Tully and Riverrun. He is held as a prisoner of Lord Walder Frey after the betrayal at the Red Wedding.	#45	0	0	0	0	0
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre has demonstrated mythical skill in blood magic, most recently reviving a deceased Jon Snow. After Davos Seaworth exposes her live sacrifice of the child Shireen Baratheon, she has been exiled by Jon Snow.	#20	0	0	0	0	0
Brienne of Tarth A skilled fighter and heir to House Tarth. After swearing an oath to Catelyn Stark, she continues her mission to ensure the safety of the Stark girls.	#13	0	0	0	0	0
Ellaria Sand The former paramour of Prince Oberyn. She is also the mother of several of his bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes, and plots revenge against the Lannisters for Oberyn's death. After assassinating Prince Doran and overtaking Dorne, she joins forces with Daenerys Targaryen as she sails west to retake the Iron Throne.	#36	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		38	1	12	15	10

A Man Does Not Know His Name (josephmcgarry815)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Deaths
White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	#7	19	16	3	0
Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger) Lord Protector of the Vale, Littlefinger effectively controls the Knights of the Vale through the easily manipulated Robbin Arryn. He is a master manipulator who will stop at nothing for power.	#10	5	0	0	5
Lyanna Mormont The spunky young head of House Mormont.	#23	0	0	0	0
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys now pulls the political strings for Daenerys Targaryen, arranging alliances with the Westerosi Houses Tyrell and Martell. He controls a vast network of spies.	#26	0	0	0	0
Benjen Stark The First Ranger of the Night's Watch, Benjen has been lost for some time North of the Wall after being attacked by White Walkers while north of the Wall. After being saved by the Children of the Forest, he exists in an undead state, unable to pass back south of the Wall.	#42	0	0	0	0
Tyene Sand The youngest of Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She uses daggers and poisons as her weapons.	#39	0	0	0	0
Totals		24	16	3	5

Kills

53:24 (+1) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon makes a comeback in round two with Harrag, wearing out the older Ironborn's kneecap on his impervious groin area, and then pounding him into submission. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

Harrag needs to work on cardio. He had this one in the bag. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29 hkeseyan and jake.kmiech like this
Also I thought Harrag was killed off in this one, but according to the wiki he was simply "beaten senseless" but there's no citation on that. I think we're free to make our own interpretation. They seemed to just leave Harrag lying on the beach, but I don't know whether that's a point for alive or dead. Also I'm not convinced that Theon can kill anybody with his bare fists. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29
Season finale death rule? Leaving a minor character beaten senseless, ambiguously dead or alive, on a beach with no ship, food or water in a season finale -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 29 hindsight44 and jake.kmiech like this
Yeah i dont see how Harrag is surviving this. Also what about boss fight. Theon needed to beat him for his charcter arc to continue. Also As we all know a good boss fight requires a secret strategy/weapon to defeat the boss. The "let him kick me in the balls to throw him off" strategy is epic. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 29 jake.kmiech likes this
Yeah, I think the ambiguity of whether or not he's alive is akin to Stannis' death in Season 5. We don't know for sure that he's dead after that initial scene, as we never technically see it, but his death was counted then for the same reason -jake.kmiech

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2017 Aug 29
Yeah, for this it basically becomes a judgment call we can make. This fight happens on Dragonstone I believe, so Harrag isn't completely stranded. I also think that it's also not in Theon's character to straight up kill a guy just to take away his crew.

The boss fight criteria isn't actually needed, since Harrag has a name so it'd count for full points either way. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29 hindsight44 and brandonthebigB like this

78:00 (+16) White Walker (Night King):

The Night King rides in on the newly risen wight-dragon Viserion, attacking the Wall at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea with blue flame, and sending 8 of its defenders to their death amidst the collapsing ice wall. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

36:50 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

During their meeting in King's Landing, Tyrion deduces that Cersei is pregnant. (Secret Discovery)

40:01 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion's meeting with Cersei is succesful, convincing her to not only agree to the truce but to pledge her armies to march north to face the undead threat.

Cersei: "My armies will not stand down. I will not pull them back to the capital. I will march them north to fight alongside you in the Great War. The darkness is coming for us all. We'll face it together. And when the Great War is over, perhaps you'll remember I chose to help with no promises or assurances from any of you." (Convincing Argument)

Except Cersei lied? So its more like Tyrion fell for a betrayal, than that he won a victory. -andrewpost

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2017 Aug 29 Lem Lemoncake likes this
Agree, Tyrion was not successful here, only helped Cersei to elaborate a new plan -emilien.raggi

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2017 Aug 29
I dont think Cersei was ever convinced. We knew she had no intentions of ever keeping her word because she had Euron storm out to make her look weak 2 min into the conversation.Her plan from the beginning was to accept the offer and not go north. The only reason she didnt kill Tyrion was because if she killed him she couldnt accept the offer and have all of her enemies run away north. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 29
Well, I guess this is dependent on which basis we are scoring: Do we score based on plot elements, which means, what we see and in the order we see it, or the story, which kind of includes everything before and after it and what happens in the background without direct telling. If Cersei's betrayal would be presented to us in the next episode, this would be a definite scoring event for Tyrion. Alternatively, you could introduce an interval and say, the convincing argument must not be falsified within the same scene/episode/5minutes/whatever. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 30
I suppose it can count simply for an agreement on the surface level - she tells Team Targaryen what they wanted to hear, which she wasn't even willing to do prior to Tyrion's talk. There can be various shades of grey for not following through on a deal or even actively undermining it. -nyan

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40:01 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

After a private meeting with Tyrion, Cersei agrees to a truce with the Targaryen and Northern forces so that they may collectively combat the White Walker threat, completing the deal brokered by Tyrion, Jaime, and Bronn's secret meeting. (Deals Brokered)

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53:29 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon wins over Harrag's crew of Ironborn after punching him out on the beaches of Dragonstone. "Not for me. For Yara!" (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

78:57 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Riding in on the newly risen wight-dragon Viserion, the Night King blasts the Wall at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea with blue flame, destroying the castle and sending the Wall crashing down. (Victorious Battle)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

13:55 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Sandor Clegane: "Am I going to die in this shit city?"
Tyrion Lanniser: "You might."
Sandor: "And this is all your idea. Seems every bad idea has some Lannister cunt behind it."
Tyrion: "And some Clegane cunt to help them see it through." (Witty Insult)

28:21 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Jon Snow: "I'm pleased you bent the knee to our Queen. I would have advised it, had you asked. But have you ever considered learning how to lie every now and then? Just a bit?!?" (Witty Insult)

28:49 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Jon: "Talk about my father if you want, tell me that's the attitude that got him killed. But when enough people make false promises, words stop meaning anything. Then there are no more answers, only better and better lies. And lies won't help us in this fight."
Tyrion: "That is indeed a problem. The more immediate problem is that we're fucked." (Funny Line)

29:23 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Jon Snow: "I did this. I should go."
Tyrion: "She'll definitely murder you." (Funny Line)

32:02 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Cersei: "I shouldn't be surprised, I suppose. She's your kind of woman: a foreign whore who doesn't know her place."
Tyrion: "A foreign whore you can't abduct, beat, or intimidate. That must be difficult for you." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

34:26 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion pours himself a glass from Cersei's own wine stash after he survives his feigned plea that Cersei should have Gregor Clegane execute him. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

35:24 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

After serving a refill of wine to Cersei, Tyrion pours another for himself and drinks. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Deaths

60:16 (+5) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

Littlefinger has his throat slit by Arya Stark, after his betrayals and treason are exposed by Sansa Stark in the court of Winterfell to the Northern and Vale lords.

Sansa: "Thank you for all your many lessons, Lord Baelish. I will never forget them." (Death)

Is anyone else upset with how LF went out? Until this season LF had the most unpredictable plans and was always smart enough to have someone else do the dirty work for him. This season his scheme was in your face and obvious. He always played 4 dimensional chess and this season it was 1 dimensional. Also say what you want about him but LF wouldnt beg for his life. He was willing to fight and die against Brandon Stark and also advised to risk everything because life is fleeting. I never really cared about how the show differs from the book as long as the characters stay the same. I really feel like this was a misrepresentation of LF. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 29 jake.kmiech, nyan, hkeseyan like this
I feel like they dragged his death on for so long - he was basically kept as a laying duck all season while we knew his demise was coming. He did practically nothing with the extra time he was given to live (all the failed whispering in Sansa's ear was so bad, I'd rather have LF killed off earlier than see him like that). Similar situation with Varys except they haven't built an entire plotline in a major location around his demise -hkeseyan

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2017 Aug 29 hindsight44, jake.kmiech, nyan like this
Definitely, Littlefinger was always the most dangerous man in Westeros, I imagined his demise would see him get all the way to the pinnacle of power, and only then to get backstabbed by Sansa.

I'd have a hard time writing a good S7 storyline for Littlefinger though. I think they put themselves into a corner by showing Sansa was through with him and saw everything. In my fantasy storyline, Sansa is the only Stark who sees a reedeming quality in Baelish, and goes along with his schemes against the better advice of all her family and followers. And then at the pinnacle do we find out that Sansa was the one playing an even longer game, and perhaps she can actually be as selfishly power-thirsty as Arya accuses her. It'd be awesome if we had one Stark who was questionably a villain, and not all goody-goodies. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29 jake.kmiech and hindsight44 like this
Isn't Arya the villain Stark? I know that the series tries to make her somewhat sympathetic every now and then, that she is still the little Arya girl, but she actually went full blown egomaniac, sociopath and serial killer since she left King's Landing - which is even comprehensible considering her experiences and possible traumas. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 30

The Feels

34:54 (+0) Tyrion Lannister:

After an intense conversation spilling out all of Tyrion's wrongs to their family, Cersei decides not to execute her brother after all this time. Relieved, Tyrion downs a glass of wine, and pours another for Cersei, reuniting them with the only familial bond more powerful than her incestual love for Jaime - alcoholism. (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

48:49 (+0) Theon Greyjoy:

Jon Snow comes around to forgive Theon for his betrayals to their family.

Theon: "I always wanted to do the right thing. Be the right kind of person. But I never knew what that meant. It always seemed like there's like there was an impossible choice I had to make. Stark or Greyjoy."

Jon Snow: "Our father was more of a father to you than yours ever was. ... And you betrayed him. Betrayed his memory. ... But you never lost him. He's a part of you. Just like he's a part of me. But the things I've done It's not my place to forgive you for all of it.
But what I can forgive, I do. You don't need to choose. You're a Greyjoy and you're a Stark." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

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