Gendry's Plotline

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3-7, 43 roto pts (#3)
Z-Score: 0.438 (percentile: 66.93%)
Weeks at #1: 0
Categories won: Kills (612)
Best Week: Episode 6: Blood of My Blood (+11 roto points)
Team MVP: Cersei Lannister (picked #4, 665 points, 80.61% of team total)
Longest winstreak: W-2

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	#4	665	598	15	9	15	10	0	18
Walder Frey The elderly Lord of the Twins and now Lord of Riverrun after his betrayal of Robb Stark and the Northern forces.	#45	40	0	9	6	15	0	10	0
Davos Seaworth Ser Davos is a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	#20	36	0	15	21	0	0	0	0
Randyll Tarly Samwell Tarly's disapproving father. He is the Lord of House Tarly, and was one of the greatest soldiers in Westeros.	#52	26	0	9	12	5	0	0	0
Jorah Mormont The exiled head of House Mormont. Jorah was previously one of Daenerys Targaryen's most trusted advisors before his banishment. He returned to her service during a revolt in the fighting pits of Meereen, and now travels with Daario Naharis to rescue Daenerys, who has disappeared along with one of her dragons, Drogon.	#13	21	0	0	3	0	0	0	18
Lancel Lannister A cousin to the Lannister children. In a past life he was a stuttering servant to King Robert Baratheon and secret consort to his cousin Queen Cersei Lannister. Lancel now serves as a leading member of the Sparrows, a dangerously militant religious group whose power over King's Landing is growing.	#29	18	5	3	0	0	0	10	0
Mace Tyrell The head of House Tyrell and Lord of Highgarden. He is the father of Loras and Margaery. While bumbling and appearing incompetent, he heads a powerful House and serves as both Master of Ships and Master of Coin on King Tommen Baratheon's Small Council.	#61	10	0	0	0	0	0	10	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, bannermen to the Lannisters. He defeated Prince Oberyn Martell in a trial by combat for Tyrion Lannister's role in King Joffrey's death, although he was gravely injured in the fight. He appears to have recovered (in some form) under Grand Maester Qyburn's care, and returns to serve as a member of the Kingsguard.	#36	9	9	0	0	0	0	0	0
High Priestess Kinvara The High Priestess of the Red Temple in Volantis.	#68	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Rickard Stark The father of Lord Eddard Stark. He was burned alive by the Mad King, Aerys Targaryen, which led to the Stark and Baratheon rebellion that overthrew the Targaryen dynasty.	#77	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		825	612	51	51	35	10	30	36

Roster

charId	Character	Special
18	Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	* +1 special point every time she pours wine or requests a glass be poured * +1 point when someone (excl. Jaime) references incest with Jaime or her childrens' bastardy directly to her * 2x multiplier for sex acts involving incest (first cousin or closer)
32	Jorah Mormont The exiled head of House Mormont. Jorah was previously one of Daenerys Targaryen's most trusted advisors before his banishment. He returned to her service during a revolt in the fighting pits of Meereen, and now travels with Daario Naharis to rescue Daenerys, who has disappeared along with one of her dragons, Drogon.	* +1 point when he explains to someone he has Greyscale * +1 point in each scene that Jorah serves as an encyclopedia for Essos culture. * +1 point each time Daenerys convinces him to go on a mission / do something that doesn't involve being anywhere around her (friendzone)
50	Davos Seaworth Ser Davos is a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	* +1 point every time his fingers or onions are referenced * +1 point when invoking Shireen's name
26	Lancel Lannister A cousin to the Lannister children. In a past life he was a stuttering servant to King Robert Baratheon and secret consort to his cousin Queen Cersei Lannister. Lancel now serves as a leading member of the Sparrows, a dangerously militant religious group whose power over King's Landing is growing.	+1 politics point when he publicly outs a named character for their sins
28	Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, bannermen to the Lannisters. He defeated Prince Oberyn Martell in a trial by combat for Tyrion Lannister's role in King Joffrey's death, although he was gravely injured in the fight. He appears to have recovered (in some form) under Grand Maester Qyburn's care, and returns to serve as a member of the Kingsguard.	* Scores for any kills of non-combatants * Scores for each sentence spoken * Interacting with bowls
93	Walder Frey The elderly Lord of the Twins and now Lord of Riverrun after his betrayal of Robb Stark and the Northern forces.
221	Randyll Tarly Samwell Tarly's disapproving father. He is the Lord of House Tarly, and was one of the greatest soldiers in Westeros.
58	Mace Tyrell The head of House Tyrell and Lord of Highgarden. He is the father of Loras and Margaery. While bumbling and appearing incompetent, he heads a powerful House and serves as both Master of Ships and Master of Coin on King Tommen Baratheon's Small Council.	+1 point every time he volunteers for something without being asked
224	High Priestess Kinvara The High Priestess of the Red Temple in Volantis.
238	Rickard Stark The father of Lord Eddard Stark. He was burned alive by the Mad King, Aerys Targaryen, which led to the Stark and Baratheon rebellion that overthrew the Targaryen dynasty.

Kills

Episode 2: Home

14:08 (+2) Gregor Clegane (The Mountain):

Zombie Gregor smashes in the head of a King's Landing drunk who was spreading stories about Cersei. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 8: No One

13:28 (+2) Gregor Clegane (The Mountain):

Gregor rips off the head of a Faith Militant soldier sent to detain Cersei Lannister. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

9:13 (+5) Lancel Lannister:

Lancel carves the seven-pointed star into Loras Tyrell's forehead after his confessions, as a symbol of Loras' sins and newfound faith in the Seven. (Major Injury of Named Character)

17:14 (+60) Cersei Lannister:

A candle burns down to ignite the cache of wildfire buried beneath the Sept of Baelor, creating a massive detonation that obliterates the Sept and the audience awaiting Cersei's Trial by Seven. The High Sparrow, Lancel Lannister, Kevan Lannister, Mace Tyrell, Loras Tyrell, and Margaery Tyrell perish as the wildfire explosion erupts through the floor of the Sept. (Kill of Named Character)

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Part 2: So here's what we'll do.

Camp A will be a "default", as I think it's the general impression most viewers had on watching the scene, if they didn't dive into the nitty-gritty of scoring criteria. All of the leagues currently on Ruleset 3.1 and 4.0, Cersei will keep all the kill points.

For Camp B, all of the "reasonable split" scores will be added (Lem, Ramsay, Jordaario), under new Rulesets called 3.1b and 4.0b. These are the same as the existing Rulesets, just with these kill points added. Consider this a branch of the rules, enabling Leagues to self-determine which interpretation of the scoring criteria they want to apply.

I'll also be developing a new Ruleset 5.0 for the rewatches and S7 - it'll include the removal of commanded kills and the addition of some new political scoring categories to address some of the events that have felt like they weren't properly credited this season. The exact details need to be fine-tuned (the rewatches will be good practice), but ultimately it should address each of this season's controversial scores in a way that's unambiguous and properly rewarding for the magnitude of the characters' actions on the show.

At the end of this discussion, I personally fell into Camp C ("nothing counts"). However my read on that is that most players, in their gut, wanted the scoring to be Camp A or Camp B, but ended up supporting the strictness of Camp C because the other options create some hard-to-reconcile precedents. As a scorekeeper, there's some wariness that both Ruleset 4.0 and 4.0b will now be slightly broken in a "crap, this is going to be a mess for some future S7 events that I can imagine happening" sense.

The 5.0 revision of the rules should be the answer to that concern - we won't have to worry about these controversial 4.0/4.0b scores establishing bad precedents for future scoring, because we'll be using a completely new Ruleset 5.0 by then. In that sense, both of these bends for Camp A and Camp B might be considered do-right scores for the popular player sentiment on who deserves points, in a way that's safely not precedent-setting for the future Ruleset 5.0.

@jedjackoway and @bookworm13457 were the two main commenters that seemed to subscribe to Camp C without a personal leaning towards A or B. Hopefully your concerns were precedent-based like mine, and using A or B will be acceptable for your S6 scores (if not, I can always add in 3.1c/4.0c rulesets as well).

So in summary, this gives all leagues a Ruleset choice that fits with their preferred scoring style, and gives us a path forward to avoid this controversy in the future.

Hopefully this is a happy resolution for everyone playing this season. I'm off to count up some villagers and arrowed corpses. -nyan

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2016 Jul 1 bookworm13457, twalters, righteous like this
Thanks for all of your hard work @Nyan. I do not envy your task of counting the soldiers kill in the Battle of the Bastards. Looking forward to 1-2 more seasons of this! -bookworm13457

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2016 Jul 1 nyan, righteous, twalters, jedjackoway, 2 others like this
The above changes are now live! Check your league settings for the Ruleset 3.1b scoring option. (ended up skipping on 4.0b as it turns out hardly any leagues are on it - of the active commenters, only @Lem Lemoncake used it).

If you happen to be in a Public League and would like switch it do a different ruleset, just let me know directly on FB/email - I'll switch these with preference going to the desired Ruleset of players who have been active in the scoring discussions.

For those curious, here's are those 3.1b events (screenshots of the villagers count and every. freaking. arrow. death.):

Ramsay volleys (36 soldiers and horseys): http://fantasora.com/event/2927
Lem Lemoncloak's kill commands (32 villagers): http://fantasora.com/event/3056
Gatins 1/7th share of 32 villager kills: http://fantasora.com/event/3062
Qyburn 50% wildfire kills: http://fantasora.com/event/3067
Cersei 50% wildfire kills: http://fantasora.com/event/3066 -nyan

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2016 Jul 1 rajatnigam, bookworm13457, righteous, twalters like this

17:15 (+452) Cersei Lannister:

A candle burns down to ignite the cache of wildfire buried beneath the Sept of Baelor, creating a massive detonation that obliterates the Sept and the audience awaiting Cersei's Trial by Seven. Along with the High Sparrow, Small Council, and the Tyrell royal family, 226 other members of the audience perish as the wildfire explosion erupts through the floor of the Sept. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

I finally counted them all. Here's the wide shot! https://imgur.com/ft412aT -nyan

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2016 Jun 28
I'm keeping my arguments in the other thread for simplicity's sake. But why is this not going to Qyburn as well? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28
There's no confirmation that Qyburn did this however we do know that Cersei did. -klov3r

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2016 Jun 28
Just saw the "inside episodes 9&10" on HBO and they stated they used 287 extras for the scene. -alexander.hilton91

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2016 Jun 29 nyan and bookworm13457 like this
Stephanie on the FB page brought this up as well - I think we'll keep the criteria as just the on-screen body count, as it's easily scorable and we won't always have this kind of behind-the-scenes info available. -nyan

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2016 Jun 29

17:30 (+4) Cersei Lannister:

Two King's Landing pedestrians are consumed in the Sept of Baelor wildfire explosion. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

17:31 (+76) Cersei Lannister:

38 pedestrians in the square outside the Sept of Baelor are overrun as the explosion of wildfire spills outward onto the streets of King's Landing. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

17:36 (+6) Cersei Lannister:

A King's Landing pedestrian is crushed by a bell jettisoned from the explosion at the Sept of Baelor. Two other pedestrians are also destroyed as the alley becomes engulfed in wildfire. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

22:00 (+5) Gregor Clegane (The Mountain):

Septa Unella screams in agony as Cersei leaves Gregor Clegane to slowly torture her.
Cersei: "Now? Today? You're not going to die today. You're not going to die for quite a while." (Major Injury of Named Character)

Political Wins

Episode 1: The Red Woman

9:07 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Ser Davos convinces Edd to seek help from the Wildlings instead of throwing his life away in an attack against Alliser Thorne. "You're not the only ones who owe your lives to Jon Snow. (Convincing Argument)

Episode 2: Home

9:53 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos takes up Longclaw (Jon Snow's Valyrian sword) as he and the other Night's Watchmen prepare to defend against Ser Alliser Thorne. "I've never been much of a fighter... Apologies for what you're about to see." (New Weapon)

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So will Jon next week get points when he reclaims longclaw? -Reaper

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2016 May 2
Yes, I would think. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 2
Yep, Jon will get them back. It's like WWE wrestling titles, you get to be a two-time title holder because you screwed up and lost it to someone else in-between. -nyan

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2016 May 3 bookworm13457 and mariahwestfall3 like this

48:00 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos convinces Melisandre to make an attempt to revive Jon Snow after she has lost faith in the Lord of Light in their long-awaited Disney moment. "I'm not a devout man, obviously. Seven Gods, Drowned Gods, Tree Gods, it's all the same. I'm not asking the Lord of Light for help. I'm asking the woman who showed me that miracles exist." (Convincing Argument)

You get points for killing a named character but not for resurrecting a named character? Melisandre deserves some points here. -ellen.heitman

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2016 May 2 moonbaseu92, coconnor723, bw.hitman89, megharr36, 3 others like this
Absolutely agree here
-charliestpierre

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2016 May 2
For more discussion on Melisandre's scoring, check out: http://fantasora.com/event/2086 -nyan

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2016 May 2
If anything she convinced him to come back to life -calafr4gilistic

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Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

39:52 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Despite their initial protests, Cersei convinces the Hand of the King Kevan Lannister and Olenna Tyrell to go with her plan to march the Tyrell army into King's Landing to arrest the High Sparrow and rescue Queen Margaery.
Kevan Lannister: "We'll have civil war. Many will die."
Olenna Tyrell: "Many will die no matter what we do. Better them than us." (Convincing Argument)

No Jaime points for this? I took it as he convinces Kevan. "We're you commanded not to stand down?", "Do you think Tommen will complain when he has his wife back by his side? " etc -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 thederekwilson, coconnor723, mariahwestfall3 like this
Yeah, this was clearly a tag team effort. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 16 nyan likes this
Jaime's points have been proposed here: http://fantasora.com/event/2388 -nyan

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2016 May 16

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

18:25 (+3) Randyll Tarly:

Randyll discovers Gilly's true origins as a Wildling from north of the Wall.
Randyll: "Your way *down* to Castle Black? Where did he kill a White Walker? Where are you from? How'd you come to meet my son?"
Gilly: "The Night's Watch came to our keep."
Randyll: "Where?"
Gilly: "North of the Wall."
Randyll: "North of the Wall? You're a Wildling." (Secret Discovery)

20:47 (+6) Randyll Tarly:

Randyll takes in Gilly and Little Sam: "Your mother's a fine woman. You're not worthy of her. To please her, I'll take the Wildling in. She can work in the kitchens. The bastard will be raised here." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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That is the loosest definition of the word "follower" -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 4
> They never served him

It's a good point and we may want to also tighten up the criteria on when someone enters official follower/prisoner status. Should we have seen Gilly actually work in the kitchens once? -nyan

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2016 Jun 4
I think she would actually have to become his follower. A good 10 seconds of screen time (between Randyll deciding and Sam deciding against it) shouldn't count. But also I don't think working in the kitchens at Hornhill is good enough. Who was she actually serving? The head of the kitchen? Melissa Tarly? It could've been any of the Tarlys. I think it needs to be a clear follower/servant/prisoner relationship -alexanderdropkin

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41:15 (+3) Walder Frey:

Walder overrules his sons, Lothar and Black Walder, ordering them to take back Riverrun despite their strategic doubts. (Executive Decision)

42:26 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei convinces Jaime to accept Tommen's assignment to lead the Lannister army to assist Walder Frey in taking back Riverrun.

"Stand at the head of our army where you belong, where Father wanted you. Show our men where their loyalties belong. Show them what Lannisters are, what we do to our enemies. And take that stupid little castle back because it's ours and because you can." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

26:31 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

After Jon Snow and Sansa Stark prove unconvincing, Davos convinces the young Lyanna Mormont to rally against the Bolton army. "Because Jeor Mormont and Jon Snow both understood that the real war isn't between a few squabbling houses. It's between the living and the dead. And make no mistake, my lady, the dead are coming ... As long as the Boltons hold Winterfell, the North is divided. And a divided North won't stand a chance against the Night King." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

25:35 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos discovers Shireen's true fate as finds the charred remains of the wooden stag toy he gifted to Shireen next to a pyre. (Secret Discovery)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

17:02 (+3) Lancel Lannister:

Lancel follows one of Qyburn's little birds to the King's Landing underground. There he is stabbed, but crawls to discover the hidden cache of wildfire buried beneath the Sept of Baelor. (Secret Discovery)

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Seems like the little birds quite deliberately led Lancel there to show him, disqualifying it from the secret discovery. -nyan

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2016 Jun 27 dopeghoti likes this
I think the little birds brought him down there to stab him, not necessarily to show him. They stabbed him in the hall, and then he somehow stumbled upon the cache of wildfire, and tried to blow it out. So I feel they are independent events. -skywalkerdude

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2016 Jun 27 nyan, righteous, alicehanners like this
I didn't think they led him their deliberately. Why would they do that? Led or not led, still discovered a 'secret', yah. -xdwxrd

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2016 Jun 28 righteous likes this
REgardless of the scoring, can I say that I thought that was tacky and terrible television. That Lancel would swerve from his mission to get Cersei because, what, he saw a little kid? Are there no little kids in KL? Then, he gets stabbed and suddenly loses use of both of his legs? Did the kid stab him in the spine and paralyze him? wat
-alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28 nyan and righteous like this
Read this somewhere and this makes the most sense to me:

The little bird was spying on the trial and was running away to give information to Cersei about what had happened. He happened to be followed by Lancel, so the little bird hid, stabbed Lancel when he had the chance, and then took off. I think it should count as a secret discovery -wynnch

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2016 Jun 29

17:18 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei destroys the Sept of Baelor in an explosion of wildfire, killing most of the Tyrell royal family and the King's Small Council. (Act of Betrayal)

Eh, really? She all but declared herself accountable to no one when talking to Grandma Tyrell.
-alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28
One of the conditions of her release from imprisonment was that she would stand trial later. Though she swore that she would she decided to skip her court date to watch some fireworks. -jimwangerin

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2016 Jun 28
It seemed like Cersei and the Small Council had reached a sort of detente when we last left off, after they agreed on Jaime's plan to march the Tyrell army in. Maybe they didn't trust her 100%, but certainly none of them expected she would outright murder them. -nyan

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2016 Jun 28 alexanderdropkin likes this

18:22 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei takes Septa Unella prisoner, tying her down to a table as she tortures her. "Confess. It felt good. Beating me, starving me, frightening me, humiliating me. You didn't do it because you cared about my atonement. You did it because it felt good. ... I killed your High Sparrow, and all his little sparrows ... because it felt good to watch them burn. It felt good to imagine their shock and their pain. No thought has ever given me greater joy." (New Follower/Prisoner)

22:30 (+3) Walder Frey:

Ownership of Riverrun transfers back to Walder Frey after the Lannister army helps to retake it from the Blackfish.
Walder Frey: "Riverrun belonged to House Tully for a thousand years. Now it's mine. What do you call that? Victory." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

24:44 (+3) Walder Frey:

Walder Frey re-claims Edmure Tully as his prisoner. "Edmure is back in a cell. Can't go killing my son by law. It wouldn't be right. Give the family a bad name." (New Follower/Prisoner)

63:11 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Qyburn: "I now proclaim Cersei of the House Lannister, First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms. Long may she reign." (New Title)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: The Red Woman

44:25 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Alliser Thorne: "And you, Ser Davos, I will allow you to travel south. A free man, with a fresh horse."
Davos: "And some mutton. I'd like some mutton."
Alliser: "Wot?" (Funny Line)

Episode 2: Home

9:49 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos as he takes Jon's sword and rallies the men against Ser Alliser Thorne: "I've never been much of a fighter... Apologies for what you're about to see." (Funny Line)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

20:38 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Daario: "Oh, I don't want to fight you, Jorah the Andal. What do I have to gain? If I win, I'm the shit who killed an old man. If I lose, I'm the shit who was killed by an old man."
Jorah: "You didn't get much discipline as a child, did you?" (Witty Insult)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

16:57 (+3) Randyll Tarly:

Melessa Tarly: "Samwell, would you care for more bread?"
Sam: "Oh, yes. Yes, please."
Randyll Tarly: "Not fat enough already?" (Witty Insult)

17:26 (+3) Randyll Tarly:

to Sam: "I thought the Night's Watch might make a man of you. Something resembling a man at least. You managed to stay soft, and fat. Your nose buried in books. Spending your life reading about the achievements of better men." (Witty Insult)

19:52 (+3) Randyll Tarly:

"I took you (Gilly) for a Mole's Town whore when I saw you and I made my peace with that. Who else would have him (Samwell)? But I overestimated him. No, it was a Wildling whore that seduced my son." (Witty Insult)

20:40 (+3) Randyll Tarly:

referring to Gilly: "This you getting back at me, boy? Bringing *that* to my table and making me dine with *it*?" (Witty Insult)

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39:10 (+3) Walder Frey:

to his sons: "You've lost it? ... It's a castle, not a bloody sheep. Presumably you still know where it is." (Witty Insult)

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40:23 (+3) Walder Frey:

"All across the Riverlands right down to King's Landing, they're laughing at us. I hear it in my sleep! I'm not dead yet, unfortunately for you. And I'll not leave this world until they all choke on that laughter." (Threat)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

27:51 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

on the 62 Mormont soldiers: "If they're half as ferocious as their Lady, the Boltons are doomed." (Funny Line)

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How is this funny? He's complimenting her, not mocking her. -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 9
Why does it have to be mocking for it to be funny? It's a funny line, not an insult -Laxis

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2016 Jun 9 righteous likes this
Why does it have to be mocking for it to be funny? It's a funny line, not an insult -Laxis

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2016 Jun 9
I thought it a particularly funny jab and a wink to the viewer about Ramsay's "twenty good men." -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 12 Laxis and righteous like this
It's funny because I burst out laughing even knowing it was coming -righteous

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2016 Jun 30

Episode 8: No One

12:53 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Lancel Lannister: "Order your man (Gregor Clegane) to step aside, or there will be violence."
Cersei: "... I choose violence." (Threat)

This is certainly a threat on Lancel's part as well, is responding to a threat really a threat itself? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 13 given.brian and jshragie like this
Lancel's line was an ordinary threat, Cersei's was a cold-blooded comeback. -nyan

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2016 Jun 13
Countering a threat with your own threat makes for more threats, as is just and true for Westeros. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 13 Ser Vincent likes this
Oh please, its only a cold-blooded comeback because it's Cersei. Lancel said "call him off or we will have to fight him." And she said "so fight him".

If his isn't a threat, hers definitely isn't. I think you are being way too personally subjective about threats -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15 jedjackoway likes this
It feels like it hasn't been clear what the insults/threats/funny category is. It is never meant to score literally everything that can be construed as insulting/threatening, but is intended to reward the characters who are charismatic, and deliver the well-worded jabs.

Think about a rap battle. Literally every single line spoken by either participant is going to be "insulting". But only the best of those lines - insults with wit, cleverness, or highly-relevant comebacks - are the ones that illicit the "ooohs" and "BURNN!!" and "BAH GAWD that man had a FAMILY!" reactions from the audience. Those are the lines this category is trying to reward. -nyan

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2016 Jun 17
I think you can make a case for Cersei's line being below the bar - it's far from the best line in this episode (though I think there are wore ones, personally). But Lancel's line is an absolutely pedestrian threat, wording-wise, and does not fit into the purpose of this category. I cannot imagine a single viewer having a "Goddamnn I can't believe Lancel just said that" reaction to that scene. -nyan

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2016 Jun 17

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

21:08 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

to Tormund: "No, it's a manner of speaking... not actual demons." (Funny Line)

submitted by righteous (approved!)

22:04 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Tormund: "I need a good drink to help me sleep the night before a fight. You want some? I have a jug of sour goat's milk..."
Davos: "No thanks, it does sound delicious, but..." (Funny Line)

submitted by righteous (approved!)

22:09 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos: "I can never sleep the night before a battle."
Tormund: "So what do you do all night?"
Davos: "I walk. Think and walk. Think and walk until I'm far enough away from camp that no one can hear me shitting my guts out." (Funny Line)

41:00 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos rallies the archers to charge in towards the main battle: "We may as well be taking shits back here. Follow!" (Funny Line)

submitted by righteous (approved!)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

21:10 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

to Septa Unella: "This is Ser Gregor Clegane. He's quiet, too. Your Gods have forsaken you. This is your god now."
(Threat)

Is this really a threat, she's kinda just telling her whats up, not threatening something will happen if something else happens. -xdwxrd

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2016 Jun 28 alicehanners likes this
Just 'cause it's flowery doesn't make this a good threat.
-alicehanners

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2016 Jun 28 alexanderdropkin and jedjackoway like this
If I was strapped to a board, and Cersei introduced her giant of a bodyguard to me as my "new god", I'd feel pretty threatened. -marcelcdn

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2016 Jun 28 nyan, bookworm13457, wynnch, kayeexau like this
I feel threatened by a lot of things all the time. Doesn't mean they threatened me. -xdwxrd

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2016 Jun 29

21:49 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

as she locks Septa Unella in with Gregor Clegane: "Shame. Shame. Shame." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 2: Home

19:25 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei takes a sip while speaking with her son Tommen. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

submitted by rwrigley86 (approved!)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

15:46 (+5) Randyll Tarly:

Randyll drinks after toasting to his son Dickon for the 70-yard deer kill from that day's hunt. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

40:10 (+5) Walder Frey:

Walder Frey takes a sip of wine while listening to excuses from his useless sons, Lothar and Black Walder. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

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Episode 8: No One

11:15 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei drinks in her chambers as Qyburn arrives to deliver a request from the Faith Militant. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

17:51 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei drinks as she watches the wildfire explosion engulf the Sept of Baelor from the safety of her chambers in the Red Keep. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

24:53 (+5) Walder Frey:

Walder drinks from his cup after sitting down to chat with Jaime during the Frey-Lannister feast to celebrate the retaking of Riverrun. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

47:33 (+5) Walder Frey:

Walder drinks from his chalice while waiting for his sons to arrive for lunch. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

43:08 (+10) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei and Jaime get it on after hot and heavy dirty talk about the power of House Lannister and destroying their enemies. "They've made us both stronger, all of them. They have no idea how strong we are. No idea what we're going to do to them. We've always been together. We'll always be together." (Act of Intercourse)

Deaths

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

17:17 (+10) Lancel Lannister:

Lancel Lannister is lured into the King's Landing underground where he is stabbed by one of Qyburn's little birds. Finding a cache of wildfire, he is too late to stop the candles from burning down and igniting it, engulfing him in the explosion. (Death)

17:27 (+10) Mace Tyrell:

Mace Tyrell is engulfed as the wildfire explosion rips through the Sept of Baelor, destroying the entire section of King's Landing and killing all those inside. (Death)

49:35 (+10) Walder Frey:

After being served a meat pie baked from his own sons, Walder Frey has his throat slit by Arya Stark in the very same room where he orchestrated the betrayal of Robb and Catelyn Stark. "My name is Arya Stark. I want you to know that. The last thing you're ever going to see is a Stark smiling down at you as you die." (Death)

Special

Episode 1: The Red Woman

22:29 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jaime refers to Myrcella's parentage as Cersei grives: "Listen- listen to me. She was my daughter and I failed her." (Special)

I feel like Jamie should have gotten points for this scene too, they were grieving parents together, clearly referring to their children, and what was taken from them. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 2
@taylorreneegoodrich, this special originated from the earlier seasons when the paternity of Cersei's children was much more of a hushed secret. It's gotten more difficult to score now that Cersei and Jaime talk about it all the time, but in keeping with the original scoring, Cersei/Jaime get a point when it's someone else who talks about their childrens' bastardy *to* them. In this case it was Jaime's line to Cersei, but Cersei didn't respond back with anything about their kids.

the main distinction we went with is -nyan

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2016 May 2
Cersei also had a glass of wine so where are the points for that? -kimbo

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2016 May 2 joe.puglisi, bookworm13457, sofiazbv, Lem Lemoncake like this

33:27 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Daario Naharis calls out Jorah's friendzone status like he sees it:
Jorah: "I've been all over the world. There's no escaping men like us."
Daario: "There's no escaping her, eh? You keep coming back. Why?"
Jorah: "You know why."
Daario: "Isn't it frustrating wanting someone who doesn't want you back?" (Special)

Is this really Jorah's special, though? Dany isn't leading him on, they're just talking about it. -alicehanners

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2016 Apr 26 mariahwestfall3 likes this
Yeah, pretty disappointed that this counts as being friendzoned -paolarodelas

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2016 Apr 26
There was actually a last-minute change to clarify Jorah's special a bit - the old text was "Daneerys leads him on", and it's now "gets friendzoned". Paola has a fair point that it may not count even then - it's really Daario jabbing at/referencing his friendzone status, and not actually Daenerys putting him in it. If others feel this shouldn't count, we'll take it out. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26 as38 likes this
I think whining about the vassalzone should count. You can practically see the fedora in this scene. -nsimmonds

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2016 Apr 26

34:20 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah corrects Daario with the proper Essos terminology.
Daario: "Huh... an army?"
Jorah: "Not an army. A horde." (Special)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

32:28 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Olenna to Cersei: "Margaery is the Queen. You are not the Queen, because you're not married to the king. I do appreciate these things can get a bit confusing in your family."
(Special)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

20:28 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Friendzone ribbing from alpha-male Daario
Daario Naharis: "It must make you angry, that our Queen chose me."
Jorah: "It makes me sad. You'll disappoint her before long, she'll move on." (Special)

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Good call here; this seems quite similar to the previous Daario to Jorah lines that were counted. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 17
Maybe this is getting a little nitty-gritty into friendzones from an veteran friendzoner, but I thought of this as more of a straight insult about Jorah's age/stamina. The friendzone is more about how close you are platonically to someone, while not being anywhere remotely close to getting with them in romantic/physical terms. Daario doesn't take any shots at that aspect of Jorah/Daenerys' relationship here. -nyan

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2016 May 17
I felt the comment about Daenerys choosing Daario over him was a bit of a personal blow, a bit cocky for him to say to Jorah's face. -cjcookart

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2016 May 17
Ah, was focused on the first part and glossed over that point about choosing him. I think it'll qualify as friendzone ribbing. -nyan

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2016 May 18
I thought he'd only get points when being friendzoned by Daenerys.. like being rejected and stuff. But then again, this probably won't happen a lot anymore in the series and seems to have become replaced by Daario poking into the friendzone-wound :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 18

21:03 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah the Explorah gives Daario this week's culture lesson on Dothraki city layout.
"The road running through the Horse Gate, they call that the Godsway. Eastern Market, Western Market. When Khal Drogo died, she was supposed to come here and join the Dosh Khaleen, the widows of the dead Khals. That's where they'll have taken her. The Temple of the Dosh Khaleen." (Special)

25:10 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah reminds Daario about the rules of engagement in Vaes Dothrak: "If they find a body with a stab wound, the whole city will be looking for us." (Special)

Episode 5: The Door

28:19 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah admits his love for Daenerys after revealing his fatal greyscale infection. "Tyrion Lannister was right. I love you. I'll always love you. Good-bye, Khaleesi." (Special)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

42:10 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jaime: "He has our son! He stole our son! He's torn our family apart." (Special)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

10:26 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei pours herself a glass of wine while observing the events at the Sept of Baelor from afar. (Special)

18:15 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei pours out her glass of wine over Septa Unella's face as she is bound to a table. "Confess." (Special)

18:32 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

After emptying her glass, Cersei returns to pour out an entire pitcher of wine over Septa Unella's face as she tortures her. (Special)

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