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38 roto pts (#2)
Z-Score: 0.874 (percentile: 80.9%)
Weeks at #1: 4
Categories won: Political Wins (111), Insults Delivered / Funny Lines (105)
Best Week: Episode 1: The Red Woman (+10.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Doran Martell (picked #28, 104 points, 21.89% of team total)

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	#28	104	0	0	0	0	0	5	99
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and recently returns from a mission to Dorne to rescue his daughter/niece, Myrcella Baratheon.	#4	97	15	30	30	0	10	0	12
High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	#16	49	5	33	6	0	0	5	0
Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, and formerly a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall. Although they have met in battle more than once, he bears a grudging respect for Jon Snow.	#21	47	18	6	18	5	0	0	0
Yara Greyjoy Theon's older sister, Yara was raised on the Iron Islands as a true Ironborn. She is a fearsome fighter and commands a longship of her own.	#45	40	0	15	15	5	5	0	0
Davos Seaworth Ser Davos is a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	#9	36	0	15	21	0	0	0	0
Benjen Stark First Ranger of the Night's Watch - in S1 he disappeared on a ranging north of the Wall and his whereabouts since then are unknown.	-	21	16	0	0	0	0	5	0
The Waif A disciple in the House of Black & White. Her real identity is unknown, as she is one of the many identities used by the Faceless Men in their work.	-	20	15	0	0	0	0	5	0
Ellaria Sand The former paramour of Prince Oberyn. She is also the mother of several of his bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes, and plots revenge against the Lannisters for Oberyn's death.	#40	19	10	6	3	0	0	0	0
Khal Moro The leader of a new Khalasar of Dothraki.	#33	17	0	3	9	0	0	5	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	-	9	0	0	0	0	0	9	0
Thoros of Myr A Red Priest from the city of Myr - he is a member of the Brotherhood Without Banners, led by Beric Dondarrion.	#41	8	0	0	3	5	0	0	0
Lyanna Stark Eddard Stark's sister. She was kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryen and subsequently died, which sparked Robert Baratheon and the Starks to rebel against he Targaryens.	-	8	0	3	0	0	0	5	0
Catelyn Stark	-	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Sandor Clegane (The Hound) A fearsome warrior known as the Hound. Sandor formerly served in the Kingsguard of Joffrey Baratheon and accompanied Arya Stark on her travels. He was left for dead after a fight with Brienne of Tarth.	-	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Harald Karstark A northern lord. The son of Rickard Karstark, who was beheaded by Robb Stark for treason.	-	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Eddard Stark The long-deceased head of House Stark. There are rumors that he may make a reappearance in flashback form for S6.	-	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		475	79	111	105	15	15	39	111

Roster

charId	Character	Special
19	Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, and recently returns from a mission to Dorne to rescue his daughter/niece, Myrcella Baratheon.	* +1 point for awkward waves with his metal hand * +1 point when he uses his metal hand in a combat situation * +1 point when someone (excl. Cersei) references incest with Cersei or her childrens' bastardy directly to him * 2x multiplier for sex acts involving incest (first cousin or closer)
50	Davos Seaworth Ser Davos is a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	* +1 point every time his fingers or onions are referenced * +1 point when invoking Shireen's name
192	High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	1 politics point every time he (or Sparrows under his order) publicly out a named character for their sins
3	Benjen Stark First Ranger of the Night's Watch - in S1 he disappeared on a ranging north of the Wall and his whereabouts since then are unknown.
4	Catelyn Stark	+1 point when giving motherly advice that is ignored
235	Lyanna Stark Eddard Stark's sister. She was kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryen and subsequently died, which sparked Robert Baratheon and the Starks to rebel against he Targaryens.
91	Ellaria Sand The former paramour of Prince Oberyn. She is also the mother of several of his bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes, and plots revenge against the Lannisters for Oberyn's death.	+1 for invoking the name of Oberyn Martell
67	Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, and formerly a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall. Although they have met in battle more than once, he bears a grudging respect for Jon Snow.	* every mention of "killing Crows" * every on-screen second he stares into Brienne's soul (rounded up)

Kills

Episode 1: The Red Woman

26:51 (+10) Ellaria Sand:

Ellaria stabs Doran Martell as she overthrows the royal family of Dorne. "When was the last time you left this palace? You don't know your own people. Their disgust for you. Elia Martell raped and murdered, and you did nothing. Oberyn Martell butchered, and you did nothing. You're not a Dornishman. You're not our Prince." (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 2: Home

10:59 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund cuts down the first of Alliser Thorne's men who is foolish enough to charge at him. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

2:50 (+10) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime slays the Mad King Aerys II during one of Bran's flashback visions. (Kill of Named Character)

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I guess we did count Ned killing Arthur Dayne in the other flashback right? Even though that had been discussed before in the series, points weren't awarded because we never saw it until the flashback. I even drafted a character who I think will die in a flashback later this season, so I don't know why I initially had a problem with it. More kills! More points! -wpearsal

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2016 Jun 1
Everything during Bran's flashbacks have counted (Ned's Tower of Joy scene, mainly). Everything happening in flashbacks will count, as long as it's new material (e.g. flashback to Ned's execution doesn't count, since we already saw it in S1). -nyan

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2016 Jun 1 kailin, sanford, emilien.raggi, moonbaseu92 like this
I have to contest Jamie's intercourse points. Does a kissing scene now count as intercourse? Just wondering if we are now simply assuming something happens even if we don't see it on screen... -Tose

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2016 Jun 3

4:32 (+2) Benjen Stark:

Benjen's horse stomps through a wight's chest as he rides in to Meera and Bran's rescue. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

4:47 (+4) Benjen Stark:

Benjen uses his flaming flail to knock out two wights. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

4:53 (+8) Benjen Stark:

Benjen sideswipes a wight into a tree, and kills two more with his pickaxe, and sets the last wight on fire with his flaming flail. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

43:36 (+2) Benjen Stark:

Benjen decapitates the head of a rabbit he has just hunted. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

21:39 (+2) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime clobbers Black Walder with his golden hand, leaving him with a severe bruise to the cheek.

Jaime: "Only a fool makes threats he's not prepared to carry out. Now let's say I threatened to hit you unless you shut your mouth, but you kept talking. What do you think I'd do?"
Black Walder: "I don't give a rat's-" *smack* (Minor Injury of Named Character)

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Personally I'm a bit in agreement with Alice from the original thread... the damage seems a little weak even for the "minor" subcategory. "Major" is reserved for permanent injuries (e.g. losing a hand), and most of the examples of minor injury have been more severe... Arya got the sticks knocked out of her by the Waif for example. Should we require some visible signs of injury for the minor category (visible bleeding or bruising)? -nyan

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2016 Jun 7
There are visible signs of injury. Posted evidence in the other thread, but here's the after again: http://imgur.com/O0Sf1DW -nsimmonds

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2016 Jun 7 as38, Laxis, golub.jake, nyan, 4 others like this
If anything there are more visible signs here than with Arya. -nsimmonds

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2016 Jun 7 Laxis and golub.jake like this
I was thinking the same thing, there have been even more "minor" hits on Arya that were counted for waif, I don't see why being struck by a metal object into the face (!) shouldn't count as minor injury, especially when taking a look at that screenshot -Laxis

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2016 Jun 7 dopeghoti, golub.jake, wpearsal, taylorreneegoodrich, 2 others like this
Waif gets points for a stick hit.. but jaimie wacks with solid gold hand no points? -golub.jake

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2016 Jun 7 nsimmonds likes this

21:45 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime acquires Edmure Tully as his prisoner after taking over the Siege of Riverrun. (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

41:48 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund runs his sword through a Bolton soldier from behind, saving Jon Snow. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

43:51 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

As the Wildling fighters charge into the Bolton shield line, Tormund reaches in to pull a soldier out of the formation, stabbing him through the belly. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

44:33 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund grabs the shield-holder out of the Bolton formation and yanks him down into the mud, slashing him across the back. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

47:39 (+10) Tormund Giantsbane:

After sustaining several headbutts from Smalljon Umber while they are trapped in the moshpit of death, Tormund goes in for the kill, biting into the Smalljon's neck and ripping out his jugular. (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

9:05 (+5) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow orders the seven-pointed star to be carved into Loras Tyrell's forehead after his confessions, as a symbol of his sins and newfound faith in the Seven.
Margaery Tyrell: "You mutilated him. You gave me your word." (Major Injury of Named Character)

How is this a kill? -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
Shouldn't Lancel or the Sparrow cutting get the points? -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
That requires some skill -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
These are major injury points, since the disfigurement is permanent. Lancel gets credit for the same (right below this one). Lancel's is the direct action, and the High Sparrow is the commanded one (since Lancel is a prisoner and willingly submits, it's regarded as "unskilled"). -nyan

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2016 Jun 28

Political Wins

Episode 1: The Red Woman

9:07 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Ser Davos convinces Edd to seek help from the Wildlings instead of throwing his life away in an attack against Alliser Thorne. "You're not the only ones who owe your lives to Jon Snow. (Convincing Argument)

26:51 (+3) Ellaria Sand:

Ellaria betrays Doran Martell, stabbing him to death as she overthrows the royal family of Dorne.
Doran Martell: "My son... Trystane."
Ellaria: "Your son is weak, just like you. And weak men will never rule Dorne again." (Act of Betrayal)

27:09 (+3) Ellaria Sand:

Ellaria performs a coups d'état and seizes control of Dorne after assassinating Doran and Trystane Martell.
Doran Martell: "My son... Trystane."
Ellaria: "Your son is weak, just like you. And weak men will never rule Dorne again." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Episode 2: Home

9:53 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos takes up Longclaw (Jon Snow's Valyrian sword) as he and the other Night's Watchmen prepare to defend against Ser Alliser Thorne. "I've never been much of a fighter... Apologies for what you're about to see." (New Weapon)

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So will Jon next week get points when he reclaims longclaw? -Reaper

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2016 May 2
Yes, I would think. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 2
Yep, Jon will get them back. It's like WWE wrestling titles, you get to be a two-time title holder because you screwed up and lost it to someone else in-between. -nyan

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2016 May 3 bookworm13457 and mariahwestfall3 like this

10:12 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund successfully leads the Wildlings to victory at Castle Black, after Ser Alliser Thorne and his men throw down their weapons after a display of Wun Wun's force. (Victorious Battle)

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16:15 (+3) High Sparrow:

Jaime: "You're a bold man."
High Sparrow: "On the contrary. I fear a great deal. The Father, the Mother, the Warrior." (House Words)

48:00 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos convinces Melisandre to make an attempt to revive Jon Snow after she has lost faith in the Lord of Light in their long-awaited Disney moment. "I'm not a devout man, obviously. Seven Gods, Drowned Gods, Tree Gods, it's all the same. I'm not asking the Lord of Light for help. I'm asking the woman who showed me that miracles exist." (Convincing Argument)

You get points for killing a named character but not for resurrecting a named character? Melisandre deserves some points here. -ellen.heitman

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2016 May 2 moonbaseu92, coconnor723, bw.hitman89, megharr36, 3 others like this
Absolutely agree here
-charliestpierre

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2016 May 2
For more discussion on Melisandre's scoring, check out: http://fantasora.com/event/2086 -nyan

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2016 May 2
If anything she convinced him to come back to life -calafr4gilistic

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2016 May 2 adam.charles.bowen and twawhiting like this

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

37:21 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces Tommen Baratheon to stand down his demands for his mother's entry into the Sept to see Myrcella.
High Sparrow: "A true leader avails himself of the wisest counsel he can. And no one is wiser than the Gods."
Tommen: "My grandfather once said something similar. Except for the part about the Gods."
High Sparrow: "The Gods worked through him whether he knew it or not. As they work through your mother. There's so much good in all of us. The best we can do is to help each other bring it out." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

39:27 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime assists Cersei in convincing Kevan Lannister and Olenna Tyrell to march the Tyrell army into King's Landing to arrest the High Sparrow and rescue Queen Margaery. "When the High Sparrow is in custody or dead, preferably, and Margaery's back at Tommen's side, do you think the king will be angry at the outcome?" (Convincing Argument)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

2:50 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime stabs the Mad King Aerys II in the back during one of Bran's flashback visions. (Act of Betrayal)

10:24 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces King Tommen to allow Margaery to proceed with her Walk of Atonement.
Tommen: "Is there no other way? ... It just seems very dangerous."
High Sparrow: "She'll be protected the entire way. The Faith Militant are very stern with those who overstep their bounds." (Convincing Argument)

30:28 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow announces Margaery's crimes to the masses gathered at the Sept of Baelor. "Rich or poor, noble or common, if we sin, we must atone. Margaery of House Tyrell came to us a sinner. She stood before the gods in the holy sept and lied. She turned a blind eye to her brother's sins. She disgraced her house, her King, and herself." (Politics Special)

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What about everytime he deescalates a confrontation? He's done that basically every episode. -julian.aronowitz

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2016 Jun 1
Proposition for new Sparrow special, using others who have multiple triggers as a template:
+1 each time the High Sparrow publicly outs a draftable character's sins or crimes
+1 each time he deescalates an impending violent conflict
+1 each time he makes specific reference to his past as a cobbler, or his current barefootedness. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 1 as38, julian.aronowitz, Ser Vincent, nyan like this
I think it's definitely good to count this even if he has already publicly outed Margaery as a sinner. It's exactely this obnoxious way of using every situation to make every last person aware of the sinner that is his speciality. It's like Daenerys repeating her titles over and over again and I'm sure there are more examples.
I assume the repetition came up here because of the question if kills that have already been shown should count if they reappear in Bran's visions? There I would disagree, but to me these are two entirely different things. It might help to step out of the scoring framework for an instant and think about how you experience these different acts while watching the episodes (without having the fantasy league in mind :D).

Maybe, it might also help to think in terms of plot and story. A kill happens once in the story, but the plot may deliver information about that at another time within the narrative - or even multiple times. The High Sparrow's multiple announcements do actually happen that often. Furthermore, it's not about revealing a secret, it's the act of denouncing he likes so much :)

At least that's my understanding of the way this game works, hah. Correct me if I'm wrong :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1

36:49 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow picks up an ownership stake in King's Landing after announcing a joint venture with Tommen Baratheon to make the Seven Kingdoms great again.
High Sparrow: "Together we announce a new age of harmony. A holy alliance between the Crown and the Faith."
Tommen: "The Crown and the Faith are the twin pillars upon which the world rests. Together we will restore the Seven Kingdoms to glory." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

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Definitely a huge coup for him this episode. Aside from getting Margaery/Tommen on his side, it was hard to pinpoint something concrete for this new "holy alliance", e.g. did he get promoted to a Pope Sparrow, or is he now effectively in control of King's Landing as you say (technically it should still be Tommen). -nyan

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i think it is both tommen and the high sparrow in control of kings landing, the crown and the faith, tommen didnt lose kings landing he merely entered a joint venture with the high sparrow for shared control -as38

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Tommen didn't lose titular control over King's Landing (and indeed the Seven Kingdoms), but the High Sparrow is certainly going to take advantage of Tommen coming under his metaphorical wing. So to speak. Definitely a gain for the High Sparrow, but not a loss for Tommen per se. -dopeghoti

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36:52 (+6) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow announces the latest high-profile devotees to sign onto Team Sparrow, in a joint press conference with Tommen Baratheon and Margaery Tyrell.

"Queen Margaery has already atoned for her sins by bringing another into the true light of the Seven. Together we announce a new age of harmony. A holy alliance between the Crown and the Faith." (New Follower/Prisoner)

41:32 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Despite being demoted out of the Kingsguard, Jaime is assigned a new role as head of the Lannister armies sent to deal with the Blackfish in the Riverlands. "I'm being sent to deal with the Blackfish. Apparently Walder Frey can't manage it on his own because he's 400 years old. Sent me with an army to the Riverlands and a siege that could last months." (New Title)

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Episode 7: The Broken Man

7:28 (+3) High Sparrow:

"There are some who know every verse of the sacred text, but don't have a drop of the Mother's mercy in their blood. And savages who can't read at all, who understand the Father's wisdom." (House Words)

13:39 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund convinces the other Wildlings to march for Jon Snow. "The Crows killed him, because he spoke for the Free Folk when no other Southerners would. He died for us. If we are not willing to do the same for him, we're cowards. If that's what we are, we deserve to be the last of the Free Folk." (Convincing Argument)

21:55 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime takes control of the Frey siege forces surrounding Riverrun. "I'm here by the king's command to take back this castle... The siege is now under my command. The next time the Blackfish looks out from those ramparts, he'll see an army at his gates, not whatever this is." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

21:55 (+6) Jaime Lannister:

Lothar Frey and Black Walder find themselves under Jaime Lannister's command as he arrives to take over the siege forces surrounding Riverrun. (New Follower/Prisoner)

26:31 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

After Jon Snow and Sansa Stark prove unconvincing, Davos convinces the young Lyanna Mormont to rally against the Bolton army. "Because Jeor Mormont and Jon Snow both understood that the real war isn't between a few squabbling houses. It's between the living and the dead. And make no mistake, my lady, the dead are coming ... As long as the Boltons hold Winterfell, the North is divided. And a divided North won't stand a chance against the Night King." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 8: No One

35:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime successfully convinces Edmure Tully to comply with his plan to retake Riverrun, sending him to the gates to ask for entry. (Convincing Argument)

40:00 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime is victorious in the Siege of Riverrun after his Trojan Horse, Edmure Tully, gains access to the castle and willingly opens his gates to the Lannister army. (Victorious Battle)

41:19 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime captures the castle of Riverrun. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

41:50 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

While watching from the ramparts of the newly-acquired Riverrun, Jaime spots Brienne and Podrick rowing away from the castle under the cover of night. (Secret Discovery)

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OH COME ON -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15
She fucking waves at him, it was no secret -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15
Is standing on the ramparts the kind of detective work that qualifies a secret discovery? -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 15
Will watch the scene again, but iirc Brienne and Pod have an unsure face, and then Jaime gives the hand wave indicating he won't chase them, which they reciprocate. It doesn't seem like they planned to be spotted (else they could have just waited for Jaime and walked out the front gates). -nyan

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2016 Jun 15
Same as an accidental kill (or accidental anything), you don't have to actively be gunning for points. Sometimes you just luck into them. -nyan

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2016 Jun 15
He first discovers them by chance and only after he waves at them does she wave back, it's not like she announced their departure (which was most definitely supposed to be in secret) to him -Laxis

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2016 Jun 15

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

25:35 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos discovers Shireen's true fate as finds the charred remains of the wooden stag toy he gifted to Shireen next to a pyre. (Secret Discovery)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

6:58 (+3) High Sparrow:

responding to Loras Tyrell's confession before the Gods: "The gods' judgment is fierce, but also fair. The Warrior punishes those who believe themselves beyond the reach of justice. But the Mother shows her mercy to those who kneel before her." (House Words)

8:37 (+3) High Sparrow:

Loras renounces his claims to House Tyrell and swears himself to the High Sparrow and the Faith of the Seven.
Loras Tyrell: "I will abandon the Tyrell name and all that goes with it. I will renounce my lordship and my claims on Highgarden. I will never marry and I will never father children."
High Sparrow: "Brother Loras, I ask you to dedicate your life to the Seven Gods. Will you fight to defend your faith against heretics and apostates?"
Loras Tyrell: "I will." (New Follower/Prisoner)

10:04 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow reneges on his agreement to release Loras Tyrell after his confessions (presumably unharmed).
Margaery Tyrell: "You mutilated him. You gave me your word."
High Sparrow: "And I have kept my word. Once the Queen Mother's trial is concluded, Brother Loras is free to leave." (Act of Betrayal)

56:48 (+3) Lyanna Stark:

Ned arrives to the top of the tower, where he discovers that his sister Lyanna has just given birth to a baby Jon Snow. (New Follower/Prisoner)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: The Red Woman

27:28 (+3) Ellaria Sand:

Doran Martell: "My son, Trystane..."
Ellaria: "Your son is weak, just like you. And weak men will never rule Dorne again." (Witty Insult)

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44:25 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Alliser Thorne: "And you, Ser Davos, I will allow you to travel south. A free man, with a fresh horse."
Davos: "And some mutton. I'd like some mutton."
Alliser: "Wot?" (Funny Line)

Episode 2: Home

9:49 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos as he takes Jon's sword and rallies the men against Ser Alliser Thorne: "I've never been much of a fighter... Apologies for what you're about to see." (Funny Line)

11:48 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Alliser Thorne: "For thousands of years, the Night's Watch has held Castle Black against the Wildlings."
Tormund: "Until you." (Witty Insult)

18:20 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Jaime Lannister, as his Sparrows circle in: "Every one of us is poor and powerless. And yet, together, we can overthrow an empire." (Threat)

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19:08 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

High Sparrow: "You would spill blood in this holy place?"
Jaime: "Oh the Gods won't mind. They spill more blood than the rest of us combined." (Threat)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

6:43 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund: "The think you're some kind of God, the man who returned from the dead."
Jon Snow: "I'm not a god."
Tormund: "I know that. I saw your pecker. What kind of God would have a pecker that small? (Witty Insult)

30:35 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Qyburn: "Does he (Gregor Clegane) understand what we're saying? I mean, to the extent that he ever understood complete sentences in the first place." (Witty Insult)

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

35:18 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to High Sparrow: "You've already insulted one great house. It won't happen twice. Every last sparrow will die before Margaery Tyrell walks down that street." (Threat)

41:32 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

"I'm being sent to deal with the Blackfish. Apparently Walder Frey can't manage it on his own because he's 400 years old." (Witty Insult)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

9:22 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Margaery: "The Queen of Thorns is a remarkable woman, a strong woman. And an unrepentant sinner. You must teach her the new one, as she taught you the old, or I fear for her safety, body and soul." (Threat)

15:00 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Jon Snow: "Are you sure they'll come (the Wildling armies)?"
Tormund: "We're not clever like you Southerners. When we say we'll do something, we do it." (Witty Insult)

18:15 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Bronn: "Now that is a sorry attempt at a siege. Someone needs to teach those sad twats how to dig trenches."
Jaime: "Someone certainly does." (Funny Line)

21:29 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Black Walder: "Only a fool makes threats he's not prepared to carry out. Now let's say I threatened to hit you unless you shut your mouth, but you kept talking. What do you think I'd do?" (Threat)

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27:51 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

on the 62 Mormont soldiers: "If they're half as ferocious as their Lady, the Boltons are doomed." (Funny Line)

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How is this funny? He's complimenting her, not mocking her. -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 9
Why does it have to be mocking for it to be funny? It's a funny line, not an insult -Laxis

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Why does it have to be mocking for it to be funny? It's a funny line, not an insult -Laxis

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2016 Jun 9
I thought it a particularly funny jab and a wink to the viewer about Ramsay's "twenty good men." -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 12 Laxis and righteous like this
It's funny because I burst out laughing even knowing it was coming -righteous

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2016 Jun 30

Episode 8: No One

16:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

on Sansa Stark: "In my experience, girls like her don't live very long." (Witty Insult)

31:18 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Edmure Tully: "Do you imagine yourself a decent person? ... After you've massacred my family. Kept me in a cell for years. Stolen our lands."
Jaime: "I'll remind you that our houses are at war. I'm sorry if this conflict has inconvenienced you, but rebelling against the Crown does have consequences." (Witty Insult)

34:35 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Edmure Tully: "I'll send for your baby boy. And I'll launch him into Riverrun with a catapult. Because you don't matter to me, Lord Edmure. Your son doesn't matter to me. The people in the castle don't matter to me. Only Cersei." (Threat)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

16:29 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Jon Snow: "We're digging trenches all along our flanks. They won't be able to hit us the way that Stannis hit you, in a double envelopment."
Tormund: ...
Jon: "A pincer move."
Tormund: ...
Jon: "They won't be able to hit us from the sides."
Tormund: "Good." (Funny Line)

21:08 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

to Tormund: "No, it's a manner of speaking... not actual demons." (Funny Line)

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21:58 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

to Davos: "I have a jug of sour goat's milk stronger than any of that grape water you southern twats like sucking on." (Witty Insult)

22:04 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Tormund: "I need a good drink to help me sleep the night before a fight. You want some? I have a jug of sour goat's milk..."
Davos: "No thanks, it does sound delicious, but..." (Funny Line)

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22:09 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos: "I can never sleep the night before a battle."
Tormund: "So what do you do all night?"
Davos: "I walk. Think and walk. Think and walk until I'm far enough away from camp that no one can hear me shitting my guts out." (Funny Line)

22:23 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

41:00 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos rallies the archers to charge in towards the main battle: "We may as well be taking shits back here. Follow!" (Funny Line)

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Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

26:10 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Walder Frey: "Fear is a marvelous thing."
Jaime: "They don't fear the Freys, though. They fear the Lannisters. We gave you the Riverlands to hold the Riverlands. If we have to ride north and take them back for you every time you lose them, why do we need you?" (Witty Insult)

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Two times I think, one was indirect (asking if he fought any battles himself) and the second time the sarcastic line about what a great conqueror he is. -Laxis

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2016 Jun 28 moonbaseu92 and golub.jake like this
Added the above line. Here are the two other lines from Jaime, but I thought they were a little tame - if anything Walder Frey had the much better response lines to Jaime.

Jaime: "Have you done much fighting yourself ...back in your day?"
Walder: "The purpose of fighting is defeating your enemies, isn't it? I've defeated mine. Riverrun belonged to House Tully for a thousand years. Now it's mine. What do you call that? Victory."
Jaime: "Yes, you're a great conqueror."
Walder: "Go on, mock me, boy. You think I mind? The Tullys mocked me for years. The Starks mocked me. Where are they now? ... Here we are now, two kingslayers. We know what it's like to have them grovel to our faces and snigger behind our backs. We don't mind, do we?" -nyan

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2016 Jun 29

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

48:01 (+5) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund drinks from his mug as Jon Snow unrolls the letter from Ramsay Bolton. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

43:08 (+10) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime and Cersei get it on after hot and heavy dirty talk about the power of House Lannister and destroying their enemies. "They've made us both stronger, all of them. They have no idea how strong we are. No idea what we're going to do to them. We've always been together. We'll always be together." (Act of Intercourse)

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Hopefully this will become clearer when I can make a detailed breakdown for each scoring event. The sex category gets 1 pt EACH for: sex itself (incl. implied), each boob, butts, frontal nudity. So that is why Daenerys temple-burning scene gets points for the nudity, even though no sex happened: http://fantasora.com/event/2356

Earlier this season we defined direct contact with reproductive organs as the threshold for explicit sex: http://fantasora.com/event/2401

For implicit sex, we've never defined really defined it, so that's what this discussion is about.

Here's an idea that we could add for Ruleset 4.0: we can further break up scoring and add an additional point for on-screen gettin' it in. So this and other implied scenes would only count 1pt, Osha's would only be 1pt, Sam's "Oh.. oh.. oh my" with Gilly would get 2 pts - 1 for sex and 1 for penetration. -nyan

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2016 Jun 2 Ser Vincent likes this
I agree that there should be a sub-point system of "intercourse". Because if we are now simply assuming that the twins engaged in intercourse off camera, we are opening up the point system to a number of assumed acts of whatever (intercourse related, kill related, wine related). For example, we didn't see Sam drink any wine during the dinning scene. But isn't it safe to say that he probably drank wine prior or during the course of his meal? -Tose

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2016 Jun 3
The criteria for each category is different, and there is some balance in mind when deciding how strict they are. "Cups on the table" would be a close equivalent to "making out in a private room", but as @Tose says we would start giving away way too many wine points (these wine points would also feel "cheap" compared to characters who are doing actual on-screen drinking). For sex, the easier implied criteria has been fine since explicit sex scenes are fairly rare on the show. -nyan

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2016 Jun 3 Laxis likes this

Deaths

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

44:55 (+5) Benjen Stark:

Benjen tells the story of his death and resurrection to Bran Stark: "I led a ranging party deep into the North to find White Walkers. They found us. A white walker stabbed me in the gut with a sword of ice. Left me there to die. To turn. The Children found me. Stopped the walker's magic from taking hold." (Death)

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since this is so unclear I believe the most we would be able to do with this is give points for a major injury as it is so unclear as to whether or not benjen was actually dead at any point -as38

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2016 Jun 30
But it is not unclear, do to the vidual cues of the whightification process, which can only occur to a dead person. As well as the ipso facto logic of Benjen's lines is episode 10. -cmwalken15

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2016 Jun 30
Yes, there are clear visual signs of rotting flesh on his face. WW-ification had definitely begun. -righteous

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2016 Jul 1

Episode 7: The Broken Man

+0 for Benjen Stark

Episode 8: No One

+0 for Benjen Stark

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

+0 for Benjen Stark

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

17:25 (+5) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow is engulfed as the wildfire explosion rips through the floor of the Sept of Baelor. (Death)

56:30 (+5) Lyanna Stark:

Lyanna dies in the tower shortly after giving birth to Jon Snow. (Death)

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Dammit show writers, you'd think with an extended episode they could give Lyanna a dignified dying breath shot and make my fantasy scorekeeping life easier. ? -nyan

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2016 Jun 28 stephen.davignon likes this
Further thought:

I really don't think this should score.

If we aren't super picky about *seeing* the death in flashbacks, then we can potentially construe any flashback of a known dead character we haven't scored yet to be a death, since we can extrapolate that they died from there. That's obviously absurd.

Therefore, it seems like we want the bar for confirmation for deaths in flashbacks to be higher than deaths in the present. -jedjackoway

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2016 Jun 28
Definitely we should avoid scoring any flashbacks deaths just because we know they are dead in present-time. In this case, I think all the blood + dialogue (Ned says "You're not going to die" but then Lyanna rejects his attempts to save her) gives just enough evidence to score it as a death even as a normal scene. It's a borderline one for sure, and I think you'll find scenes like a defeated Sandor Clegane just on the other side of that line. -nyan

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2016 Jun 28 jedjackoway likes this

+0 for Benjen Stark

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

32:28 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Olenna to Cersei: "Margaery is the Queen. You are not the Queen, because you're not married to the king. I do appreciate these things can get a bit confusing in your family."
(Special)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

21:39 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime smacks Black Walder with his golden hand as he gives a lesson on threats.

Jaime: "Only a fool makes threats he's not prepared to carry out. Now let's say I threatened to hit you unless you shut your mouth, but you kept talking. What do you think I'd do?"
Black Walder: "I don't give a rat's-" *smack* (Special)

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That is irrefutable evidence that Black Walder was injured physically by Jaime's attack. Basically Oberyn 2.0 /s -10100100101

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2016 Jun 7
To clarify, the Oberyn line was a joke but I do agree with nsimmonds about the minor injury to a named character. -10100100101

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2016 Jun 7 wpearsal likes this
top notch investigative work, @nsimmonds! -nyan

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2016 Jun 7

Episode 8: No One

42:09 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

after spotting them from the castle wall, Jaime waves to Brienne and Podrick as they row away from Riverrun. (Special)

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And i believe that anytime that hand moves without him walking is awkward -golub.jake

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2016 Jun 15
My original message was meant to be placed in the political points column. My bad. I still think those political points are an absolute joke though. Definitely agree with the hand wave though. -cls112

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2016 Jun 16
@cls112, which political points were you referring to? -nyan

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2016 Jun 16

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

24:08 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Bronn converses with Jaime about the women at the Frey-Lannister feast.
Jaime: "Not my type."
Bronn: "Not blonde enough?" (Special)

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