Matchup: You’re a White Walker, Harry vs Jason for Ep 1

You’re a White Walker, Harry (slscott0305)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Thrones	Special	Feels
Bran Stark	#15	17	3	0	5	9	0
White Walker (Night King)	#2	12	9	0	0	3	0
Sansa Stark	#10	8	0	6	2	0	0
Jaime Lannister	#7	3	0	0	0	0	3
Melisandre	#31	0	0	0	0	0	0
Wight Army (Extras)	#26	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brienne of Tarth	#18	0	0	0	0	0	0
Grey Worm	#23	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		40	12	6	7	12	3

Jason (j.stainless11)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Sex	Thrones	Special	Feels
Jon Snow	#1	32	0	6	3	0	2	3	18
Theon Greyjoy	#25	15	4	6	0	0	0	0	5
Tyrion Lannister	#8	10	0	0	9	0	1	0	0
Jorah Mormont	#24	8	0	0	0	5	0	3	0
Varys	#16	6	0	0	0	0	0	6	0
Eddison Tollett	#32	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	3
Rhaegal	#9	3	0	3	0	0	0	0	0
Missandei	#17	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		77	4	15	12	5	3	12	26

Kills

27:15 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon kills a member of Euron's crew as he leads a squad of Ironborn on a rescue mission to save his sister Yara Greyjoy. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

submitted by kevinreading66 (approved!)

Original submission: "Theon and his team board the boat to save Yara, 4 arrows are used to kill people working on the boat. The camera then cuts to Theon and his team with Theon at the front with his bow and arrow cocked, surely he deserves some points for these kills?"

There were actually 5 kills and on-screen we see a squad of 4 (including Theon). Given the scenario I've scored 1 for Theon (Euron's men were killed in quick succession, so presumably they all landed their shots).

For future references, I *would* say this is a bit of a grey(joy) area, with the fudged assumption that they didn't have time to reload much, so Theon must've landed his first shot. If there were 5 arrow kills and Theon had boarded with 20 goodmen, I don't think he would have gotten any points. Similar for 200 arrow kills and 20 men shooting, or if we saw arrows flying around and missing. These scenarios would put enough plausibility that Theon did not land his shots.

The scoring criteria wants to see strong attribution happen on-screen, else we have submissions like "Tormund and Jon were like 2/10 of soldiers in the Battle of Bastards at this point and there's a pile of 150 bodies around them, clearly they did 20% of those kills". It ends up cheapening the points for legitimate kills the characters do 1:1. -nyan

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2019 Apr 16
Also so much for having a crew of elite mutes who can't warn each other in the event of a surprise attack, eh Euron? -nyan

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27:34 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon throws an axe into the skull of the Ironborn soldier guarding Yara Greyjoy. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

21:32 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Tormund and the Night's Watch discovers the grisly scene at the Last Hearth, where the White Walkers have massacred the inhabits. (Victorious Battle)

Why it doesn't count to the white army as well? -guy.v

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2019 Apr 18
This is a very fair question. Traditionally for battles and gaining a castle, it's been attributed to only the commander (else you could start arguing that every individual soldier on the winning side gets to double up on those points). But having the entire army as a group draftable is something new this season. I feel like this could go either way, though it's a little weaker since we didn't see any on-screen wights in action. -nyan

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2019 Apr 18
Seems like if it's equal either way then the score should go to both or neither. My vote would be both. -mah13090

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2019 Apr 18
I agree it should also count for the white walker army. -hapesnova

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21:32 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Tormund and the Night's Watch discovers the grisly scene at the Last Hearth, where the White Walkers have massacred the inhabits. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

27:53 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

After sneaking aboard Euron's ship, Theon frees his sister Yara. (New Follower/Prisoner)

29:07 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara: "You want to go to Wintefell. To fight for the Starks. Go. What is dead may never die."
Theon: "What is dead may never die." (House Words)

33:29 (+3) Jon Snow:

Rhaegal accepts Jon as a dragonrider as they take flight for the first time.
Jon: "I don't know how to ride a dragon."
Daenerys: "Nobody does. Until they ride a dragon." (New Follower/Prisoner)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

This is not explicitly in the rules, but I was thinking of setting this as a precedent - the first time a dragon and dragonrider pair up, it will be scored like a New Follower event for both. It's a bit like two characters agreeing to form an alliance. Any thoughts or protests to this? -nyan

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2019 Apr 15 dlapato likes this
Actually I forget that I did make it explicit for Rhaegal. Do people feel Jon is deserving of similar points for this? -nyan

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2019 Apr 15 the_catherine316, olinnbroderick3, ashjohri, gravesalex0, 6 others like this
It's kind of like acquiring a new weapon in a sense? -the_catherine316

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2019 Apr 15
I think we'd need to see if this happens again. I'm not sure riding him once is significant. -alicehanners

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33:29 (+3) Rhaegal:

Rhaegal accepts Jon as a dragonrider as they take flight for the first time.
Jon: "I don't know how to ride a dragon."
Daenerys: "Nobody does. Until they ride a dragon." (New Follower/Prisoner)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

46:46 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon finds out his true lineage as the trueborn son of Rhaegaer Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, and potentially the rightful King of the Seven Kingdoms.
Sam: "I had a High Septon's diary. Bran had... whatever Bran has. ... Your mother was Lyanna Stark. And your father - your real father - was Rhaegar Targaryen. You've never been a bastard. You're Aegon Targaryen, true heir to the Iron Throne." (Secret Discovery)

submitted by cereith717 (approved!)

51:24 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

The Night King has Ned Umber reanimated as a wight in the ruins of the Last Hearth. (New Follower/Prisoner)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

53:22 (+3) Bran Stark:

Despite his attempts to travel anonymously, Bran is there to greet Jaime Lannister as he arrives in Winterfell - the "old friend" Bran has been waiting for. (Secret Discovery)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

6:22 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Varys as they arrive in a frigid Winterfell: "You should consider yourself lucky. At least your balls won't freeze off." (Funny Line)

14:05 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Tyrion: "Last time we spoke was at Joffrey's wedding. Miserable affair."
Sansa: "It had its moments." (Funny Line)

15:12 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Tyrion, for thinking Cersei would honor the agreement to support them with the Lannister Army: "I used to think you were the cleverest man alive." (Witty Insult)

submitted by gravesalex0 (approved!)

29:51 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Varys (observing banners): "The Karstarks."
Tyrion: "One of the better sigils. Beats an onion, anyway." (Funny Line)

30:59 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Varys: "Jon and Daenerys don't want to listen to lonely old men."
Tyrion: "I'm not that old... not as old as him (Davos Seaworth)." (Funny Line)

35:36 (+3) Jon Snow:

to Daenerys, after his first dragon flight with Rhaegal: "You've completely ruined horses for me." (Funny Line)

Acts of Intercourse

41:13 (+5) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah gently caresses the Khaleesi's elbow as he points out where Samwell is in the library. (Act of Intercourse)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

A Game of Thrones

8:07 (+1) Bran Stark:

Bran sits in his wheelchair as he waits for Jon Snow and his entourage to arrive back to Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

9:53 (+1) Sansa Stark:

Sansa sits at the head of the table alongside Jon Snow as they host the Northern Lords at Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

9:53 (+1) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion sits at the head table to the side of Sansa and Jon Snow, as they host the Northern Lords at Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

9:53 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon sits at the head of the table alongside Sansa as they host the Northern Lords at Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

10:22 (+1) Bran Stark:

Bran sits in his wheelchair at the back corner of the court at Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

11:52 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow takes a seat after responding to Lyanna Mormont's call out.

"...when I left Winterfell, I told you we need allies or we will die. I have brought those allies home to fight alongside us. I had a choice, keep my crown or protect the North. I chose the North." (Basic Seat)

15:27 (+1) Bran Stark:

Bran sits in his wheelchair and stares at Tyrion from the mudy courtyard of Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

39:21 (+1) Sansa Stark:

Sansa sits in her chambers as she discusses the cowardice of Robbet Glover, who is not sending his troops. (Basic Seat)

43:47 (+1) Bran Stark:

Bran continues to sit in his wheelchair as Samwell Tarly steps out into the courtyard. (Basic Seat)

53:19 (+1) Bran Stark:

Bran has apparently sat in his wheelchair overnight through a light snowstorm, finally seeing his expected old friend Jaime Lannister arrive to Winterfell. (Basic Seat)

Special

6:22 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion, as he and Varys arrive to a frigid Winterfell: "You should consider yourself lucky. At least your balls won't freeze off." (Special)

6:28 (+3) Varys:

Varys: "You take great offense at dwarf jokes, but love telling eunuch jokes. Why is that?"
Tyrion: "Because I have balls... and you don't" (Special)

15:27 (+3) Bran Stark:

Not even the upper balcony is safe, as Tyrion endures a staredown from Bran who is stuck in the muddy courtyard of Winterfell. (Special)

22:09 (+3) Jon Snow:

Samwell Tarly: "You've never been a bastard." (Special)

41:30 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah reunites with Sam and they talk about his former Greyscale condition.
Dany: "The man who saved Ser Jorah when no one else could."
Jorah: "They could. They just wouldn't." (Special)

submitted by nickg (approved!)

43:51 (+3) Bran Stark:

Ravaged by news about the deaths of his family and in emotional turmoil, Samwell Tarly stumbles into the court of Winterfell to find Bran staring and waiting for him. Bran gives him a homework assignment. (Special)

51:26 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Ned Umber is impaled on the wall of his keep, surrounded by a spiral of bloody body parts. (Special)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

I'd vote against the proliferation of specials that are so loosely tied to actual appearances/direct references to the character. -jedjackoway

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2019 Apr 15 nyan likes this
Tormund straight up says "It is a message from the Night King." -craigdietz20

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2019 Apr 17
This one didn't seem to get a lot of support but I'll add it actually. @jedjackoway that's a very good line of thought about new proposals, and generally it doesn't feel worthy to give points when characters are not even there (this is why the "references to..." Specials generally don't count if the characters aren't in the scene).

In this case my feeling is that this would be a good stat to count if there were generally a "Team White Walkers" draftable group (like team defenses for NFL fantasy). With the lack of characters, I think the Night King was drafted by many people as a stand-in for that. This also is hopefully not too OP (I expect we see this 1-2 times at most), especially for a character that's already top-tier. -nyan

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53:19 (+3) Bran Stark:

After trekking for weeks incognito to make it up to Winterfell, Jaime discovers Bran just sitting there and staring at him. (Special)

The Feels

8:24 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon arrives back home to Winterfell and embraces Bran, as Jon sees him for the first time in 7 seasons.
Jon: "Look at you. You're a man."
Bran: "Almost." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

16:00 (+5) Jon Snow:

Arya and Jon finally reunite in the Godswood of Winterfell and compare their fancy swords.
Arya: "I'm defending our family. And so is she (Sansa)."
Jon: "I'm her family too."
Arya: "Don't forget that." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

29:17 (+5) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon and Yara share an embrace before they part ways to fight their separate parts of the war.
Yara: "You want to go to Wintefell. To fight for the Starks. Go. What is dead may never die."
Theon: "What is dead may never die."
Yara: "But kill the bastards anyway." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

36:05 (+5) Jon Snow:

After Bran issues a dire warning to everyone that the White Walkers are coming and how they don't have any time for this, Jon and Dany take a romantic getaway to the frost-covered waterfall on dragon-back.
Jon: "It's cold up here for a southern girl."
Dany: "So keep your Queen warm." (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

submitted by kremershell (approved!)

Should also count for Dany -kremershell

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2019 Apr 15
What points would this get? -the_catherine316

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2019 Apr 15
“Heartwarming moments that are so few and far between on the show, as well as a consolation score for the heart-wrenching ones.
Also, a "you done fucked up" score for big regrets (see rulebook for criteria).
+5pts Warm Fuzzy Moment
+1pt Sad Feels
+1pt I've made a huge mistake.”

I would consider it a warm fuzzy moment.
-kremershell

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2019 Apr 15
This whole sequence made me want to vomit but I guess nausea is a feeling... -nyan

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2019 Apr 15 elaine likes this
Hmmmm maaaaaaybe -the_catherine316

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2019 Apr 15
It's clearly a heartwarming moment... No secret political agendas... Just plain true love kiss... -redcatscar

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36:34 (+3) Jon Snow:

As he tries to get his makeout session on with Daenerys, Jon enters a staring contest with Drogon who is watching with great interest. (Ridiculously Funny Moment)

50:39 (+3) Eddison Tollett:

Edd and Tormund Giantsbane stumble upon each other at the Last Hearth.

Edd: "Stand back, he's got blue eyes!"
Tormund: "I've always had blue eyes!!" (Ridiculously Funny Moment)

submitted by niketbp (approved!)

Considering adding a category for "funny moments", that would apply to the Drogon/Jon interaction as well. The problem I'm struggling with is how to properly reward vs just throwing out free points to everybody who shows up in a scene. The funny line gives a score to Tormund who is the one delivering the payoff, it doesn't feel equitable that Edd and especially Beric are getting points just for being there. -nyan

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2019 Apr 16 mlopez likes this
Hmm yeah that's difficult. Perhaps not Beric then, since he was just there, but maybe Ed because he was a part of that interaction though? Tough to say :/ -niketbp

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2019 Apr 16 mlopez likes this
I agree, I think Ed should get something for that exchange -mlopez

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2019 Apr 16
What would be great is if we could come up with the scoring rubric for who gets points in a "funny scene" so there's a consistent guideline for future episodes. Drogon, Jon, Edd, Tormund feel like the deserving characthers here. This is also something I'd nudge towards the Feels category. -nyan

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53:29 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

After riding anonymously for a fortnight to reach Winterfell, Jaime discovers Bran has been sitting in the courtyard waiting for his "old friend" the whole time. (I've made a huge mistake.)

submitted by hindsight44 (approved!)

Ooooooh I love this! -nyan

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2019 Apr 15 ddarko189 and mlopez like this
That doesn't account for the category of the "I've made a huge mistake".
The explanation for is: the "you done fucked up" moments where a character has done something that in hindsight was clearly a dumb, avoidable mistake.

But, Jaime doesn't do any dumb or avoidable mistake (or any mistake at all). -amitelran2110

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2019 Apr 16 tal.t, semion.g, guy.v, IPKOB like this
We'll see in the upcoming episode. It seems like it may be a mistake to have come to Winterfell at all. Definitely a worthwhile debate though. -nyan

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