Matchup: Now my watch begins vs ATeamNeedsaName for Ep 9

Now my watch begins (tibbydoscott)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Deaths
Davos Seaworth Ser Davos is a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	#17	15	3	12	0
Tyrion Lannister The third, stunted dwarf of the Lannister children - a fugitive from Westeros after losing his trial for the murder of King Joffrey, he has escaped and found service as an advisor to Daenerys Targaryen.	#1	15	3	12	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#33	11	0	0	11
Gendry A bastard son of Robert Baratheon, although this fact is not widely known (even to Gendry himself). After being captured by Melisandre, he is freed by Ser Davos and escaped Dragonstone by rowboat. His whereabouts are currently unknown.	#64	0	0	0	0
Catelyn Stark	-	0	0	0	0
Walder Frey The elderly Lord of the Twins and now Lord of Riverrun after his betrayal of Robb Stark and the Northern forces.	#48	0	0	0	0
Eddard Stark The long-deceased head of House Stark. There are rumors that he may make a reappearance in flashback form for S6.	#49	0	0	0	0
Lyanna Stark Eddard Stark's sister. She was kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryen and subsequently died, which sparked Robert Baratheon and the Starks to rebel against he Targaryens.	-	0	0	0	0
Totals		41	6	24	11

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Deaths
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#26	23	20	3	0	0
Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. Sansa has spent many of her past years as prisoner to the Lannisters and more recently, House Bolton, the new Warden of the North. Currently she is married to Ramsay, the heir of House Bolton, who keeps her imprisoned in Winterfell and tortures her sadistically. During the Bolton battle against Stannis Baratheon's forces, Sansa escapes over the Winterfell walls with the help of Theon Greyjoy, and the two make their way as far from the Boltons as possible. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	#7	16	10	3	3	0
Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	#42	1	0	0	0	1
Child of the Forest Another Child of the Forest who is encountered far beyond the Wall.	#58	1	0	0	0	1
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, bannermen to the Lannisters. He defeated Prince Oberyn Martell in a trial by combat for Tyrion Lannister's role in King Joffrey's death, although he was gravely injured in the fight. He appears to have recovered (in some form) under Grand Maester Qyburn's care, and returns to serve as a member of the Kingsguard.	#23	0	0	0	0	0
Grand Maester Pycelle The Grand Maester of the Seven Kingdoms. Pycelle is highly educated and serves as an advisor to the King.	#55	0	0	0	0	0
Lancel Lannister A cousin to the Lannister children. In a past life he was a stuttering servant to King Robert Baratheon and secret consort to his cousin Queen Cersei Lannister. Lancel now serves as a leading member of the Sparrows, a dangerously militant religious group whose power over King's Landing is growing.	#39	0	0	0	0	0
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	#10	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		41	30	6	3	2

Grey Worm swiftly slashes the throat of the slave master Razdal mo Eraz, after he offers up the the slaver Yezzzan zo Qaggaz to die as part of the terms of surrender to Daenerys. (Kill of Named Character)

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I don't see this as skill from Grey Worm. 1) The soldiers are fleeing because they're clearly outmatched by dragons and approaching Dothraki, this effectively makes the Masters prisoners of war. 2) Grey Worm is the best of the Unsullied (why he was named Captain) so a throat slash is not a feat for him, it's as mindless as a chef chopping carrots. I think he should split the total points with Dany because he sort of went against her orders by killing 2 instead of 1, but also fulfilled her order at the same time. So she should get points for 1 commanded kill and he should get points for a single kill. Since one is named and one is not, and Dany didn't name someone to kill, give her the unnamed kill and Grey Worm the named kill. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 22
We didn't even hear Dany order the kill(s), right? -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22
We heard by proxy in situ that one was ordered, but that could easily have been a ruse (there could have been orders to kill all but the one singled out by the other two to kill, for example). But either way, they were not restrained or set up on a scaffold or anything; it's pretty clear that Grey Worm's slash was meant to catch them off-guard. Which takes skill. Points therefore for the Worm even if the kills were both ordered explicitly, in my opinion. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22 becharafayad1997 likes this

10:23 (+10) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm slashes the throat of Belicho Paenymion, the slave master from Volantis, after he and Razdal mo Eraz offer up the slave trader Yezzzan zo Qaggaz as a sacrifice for Daenerys' terms of surrender. (Kill of Named Character)

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Yes, if you think they're the same then there's not much of an argument for not counting "Belicho" as a named kill. We should try for some community consensus, since there's unfortunately no specific criteria for when we upgrade these characters to named status.

Hightower was a little more like White Walkers in that he proved to be a worthy "boss fight" adversary, while Forzo and "Belicho" would mostly be based on their dialogue/screentime being prominent enough. Another example could be the drunkard whose face was smashed in by the Mountain - he had a whole scene of just his dialogue, but was counted as an unnamed character.

It's also an option to revert the "named character" status from Forzo and/or Hightower as well. -nyan

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2016 Jun 21 dopeghoti likes this
I honestly didn't know the guys name who we are arguing about. But he was prominent enough to be at the parlay between dany and the masters, and at the parlay with tyrion so i would deem him a prominent character just like hightower, since i also didnt know his name. -cmwalken15

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2016 Jun 21 taylorreneegoodrich, Ser Vincent, goodjujumagic, dibiasio84, 2 others like this
To me he falls under the "boss character" definition. He's not just a random footsoldier, he's the representative from Volantis. Even if he isn't given a name, I think his status and role qualify him to be a "named kill." -alexanderdropkin

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57:17 (+10) Sansa Stark:

Sansa feeds the imprisoned Ramsay to his own hounds.

Ramsay: "My hounds will never harm me."
Sansa: "You haven't fed them in seven days. You said it yourself."
Ramsay: "They're loyal beasts."
Sansa: "They were. Now they're starving." (Kill of Named Character)

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Ramsay starved the hounds until they were hungry enough to eat him. Maybe he should get the kill. -twalters

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2016 Jun 21 nyan likes this
where was ghost? -crisbell22

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2016 Jun 23
In an interview the director said Ghost was just cut for budget reasons.

"[Ghost] was in there in spades originally, but it's also an incredibly time consuming and expensive character to bring to life," the episode's director Miguel Sapochnik told Business Insider on Monday. "Ultimately we had to choose between Wun-Wun and the direwolf, so the dog bit the dust." -nyan

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2016 Jun 24

Political Wins

3:23 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion convinces Daenerys to go with a less bloodthirsty response to the slavers attacking Meereen.

Daenerys: "I will crucify the Masters. I will set their fleets afire, kill every last one of their soldiers, and return their cities to the dirt. That is my plan. You don't approve?"
Tyrion: "You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King's Landing when the Lannister armies were at his gates? ... He had caches of wildfire hidden under the Red Keep, the Guildhalls, the Sept of Baelor, all the major thoroughfares. He would have burned every one of his citizens. The loyal ones and the traitors. Every man, woman, and child..."
Daenerys: "This is entirely different."
Tyrion: "You're talking about destroying cities. It's not entirely different. I'd like to suggest an alternate approach." (Convincing Argument)

9:12 (+3) Grey Worm :

After Daenerys' awe-inspiring display of burnination, Grey Worm convinces the slave masters' guards to abandon their post. "You men have a choice: fight and die for masters who would never fight and die for you, or go home to your families." They promptly drop their swords and flee. (Convincing Argument)

25:35 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos discovers Shireen's true fate as finds the charred remains of the wooden stag toy he gifted to Shireen next to a pyre. (Secret Discovery)

53:00 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa retakes Winterfell for House Stark after defeating Ramsay Bolton and the rest of the Bolton army. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

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I think it's exceptionally clear that Sansa has Winterfell and UNCLEAR that Jon has it. Jon is a Snow. Sansa is a Stark. Stark banners were unfurled. Jon may have been leading the army, but it was for the Starks. Not for himself. -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 21 taylorreneegoodrich likes this
If Ramsay was not the only person in Westeros to care about Jon's desertion from the Night's Watch, he has probably already been beheaded by Bronze Yohn, right? -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22
Jon didn't desert. He signed on for life. He died. He's free and clear to traipse all over Westeros now. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

0:00 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion: "Everyone who makes a joke about a dwarf's height thinks he's the only person ever to make a joke about a dwarf's height. 'The height of nobility,' 'a man of your stature,' 'someone to look up to.' You're all making the same five or six jokes."
Theon: "It was a long time ago."
Tyrion: "It was. And how have things been going for you since then?" (Witty Insult)

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Did this happen btw? Wasn't it Tyrion who repeatedly insulted Theon for being a captive at Winterfell and so on, after Theon recommended a red-headed prostitute to Tyrion? -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 21 nyan likes this
Other explicit lines have already been submitted for this -becharafayad1997

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2016 Jun 21
What other lines? -tibbydoscott

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2016 Jun 21
This suggestion is for Tyrion's opening to Theon: "Everyone who makes a joke about a dwarf's height thinks he's the only person ever to make a joke about a dwarf's height. "The height of nobility," "a man of your stature," "someone to look up to." You're all making the same five or six jokes."
Theon: "It was a long time ago."
Tyrion: "It was. And how have things been going for you since then?" -nyan

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2016 Jun 22
Ok. I can see how this would be rolled into one overall insult to Theon for is arrogant ignorance of his own stupidity. But I still think it could two separate insults. -tibbydoscott

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2016 Jun 22

9:52 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Missandei: "Our Queen insists that one of you must die as punishment for your crimes."
Tyrion: "It always seems a bit abstract, doesn't it, other people dying?" (Witty Insult)

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21:08 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

to Tormund: "No, it's a manner of speaking... not actual demons." (Funny Line)

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22:04 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Tormund: "I need a good drink to help me sleep the night before a fight. You want some? I have a jug of sour goat's milk..."
Davos: "No thanks, it does sound delicious, but..." (Funny Line)

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22:09 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos: "I can never sleep the night before a battle."
Tormund: "So what do you do all night?"
Davos: "I walk. Think and walk. Think and walk until I'm far enough away from camp that no one can hear me shitting my guts out." (Funny Line)

26:44 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Theon Greyjoy: "I didn't murder the Stark boys. But I did things that were just as bad or worse."
Yara Greyjoy: "And he paid for them."
Tyrion: "Doesn't seem like it. He's still alive." (Witty Insult)

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How is this a threat? -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 21 twalters and bookworm13457 like this
I agree. This definitely did not seem like it was meant to be a threat, nor did it seem to be taken as one -cfitzgerald

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2016 Jun 21 alicehanners likes this
Somewhere between threat and insult? The insinuation that whatever Theon claims to have suffered for his crimes, it's still trifling compared to the atrocities he committed. Possibly with a vague threat that Daenerys should really execute him instead. In any case, moving into the pending queue since there seems to be a fair amount of dispute on this. -nyan

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2016 Jun 21 emilien.raggi likes this
Yeah, I didn't parse this as a threat at all; more of an "if it were up to me", while acknowledging the fact that in the present situation, he would not be in his rights to summarily imprison Theon. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 21 Laxis likes this
More like funny
-becharafayad1997

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2016 Jun 21
Yeah, I'd go with "witty insult" for the category. This is a clever way of saying "you don't deserve to be alive". -jimwangerin

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27:09 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Daenerys: "...I expect you want me to support your claim to the throne of the Iron Islands?"
Theon: "Not my claim. Hers."
Daenerys: "And what's wrong with you?"
Theon: "I'm not fit to rule."
Tyrion: "We can agree upon that at least." (Witty Insult)

41:00 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos rallies the archers to charge in towards the main battle: "We may as well be taking shits back here. Follow!" (Funny Line)

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55:38 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Ramsay: "Your words will disappear. Your house will disappear. Your name will disappear. All memory of you will disappear." (Threat)

Deaths

14:39 (+0) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber tosses out Shaggydog's severed head to prove to Jon and Sansa that they have Rickon as their prisoner. (Dead Body Appearance)

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Just out of curiosity: When Robb's corpse with Grey Wind's head sewn on top of it is shown, would Robb receive double points? :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22 nyan and dopeghoti like this
I'd say so. One score for Robb, and one score for Grey Wind, who scores for Robb. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22
I'm so glad we changed the death scoring to this from the automatic 1pt. The scoring possibilities for the rewatch are going to be delicious. -nyan

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2016 Jun 22 Lem Lemoncake likes this

35:44 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Rickon is killed by an arrow through his chest by Ramsay Bolton, after being given a chance to run to freedom towards the Stark army. (Death)

+1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Doran Martell, +1 for Child of the Forest

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Matchup: Now my watch begins vs ATeamNeedsaName for Ep 9

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Now my watch begins (tibbydoscott)

ATeamNeedsaName (t.c.kentner)