Matchup: The Usurpers vs Jon Snow's Jonson for Ep 4

The Usurpers (drico2424)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Deaths	Special
Khal Moro The leader of a new Khalasar of Dothraki.	#47	13	0	3	10	0
Missandei A freed slave from Astapor, who serves Daenerys as an advisor and translator.	#31	9	0	6	0	3
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	#18	3	0	0	0	3
Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	#2	3	3	0	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, bannermen to the Lannisters. He defeated Prince Oberyn Martell in a trial by combat for Tyrion Lannister's role in King Joffrey's death, although he was gravely injured in the fight. He appears to have recovered (in some form) under Grand Maester Qyburn's care, and returns to serve as a member of the Kingsguard.	#34	0	0	0	0	0
Smalljon Umber The son of Greatjon Umber, heir to House Umber and bannerman to the Starks.	-	0	0	0	0	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities, and now serves as Master of Whispers in King's Landing.	#50	0	0	0	0	0
Davos Seaworth Ser Davos is a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors. He is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	#15	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		28	3	9	10	6

Jon Snow's Jonson (ryan.bartman37)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Sex	Deaths	Special
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and the current Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. After guiding the Wildlings to safety in the aftermath of the Battle of Castle Black and the attack on Hardhome, he was betrayed by a mutiny of the Night's Watch, and left for dead in the snow.	#3	18	3	6	0	0	9
Osha A wildling woman who serves the Starks. She splits off from Bran's group and travels with Rickon.	#62	18	0	3	5	10	0
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#30	18	0	0	0	0	18
Jorah Mormont The exiled head of House Mormont. Jorah was previously one of Daenerys Targaryen's most trusted advisors before his banishment. He returned to her service during a revolt in the fighting pits of Meereen, and now travels with Daario Naharis to rescue Daenerys, who has disappeared along with one of her dragons, Drogon.	#19	12	0	3	0	0	9
Gilly A wildling who lived north of the Wall. After she befriended Samwell Tarly, she escaped with him to Castle Black, and now sails with him to Oldtown as Sam begins his Maester's training.	#35	0	0	0	0	0	0
Nymeria Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastards, known as Sand Snakes. She wields a whip.	#46	0	0	0	0	0	0
Hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor. hodor.	#14	0	0	0	0	0	0
Leaf A member of the Children of the Forest. She leads Bran and his companions to cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#51	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		66	3	12	5	10	36

Political Wins

7:29 (+3) Jon Snow:

Melisandre becomes the latest devotee to the Jon Snow Fan Club.
Davos Seaworth: "Will you stay here at Castle Black?"
Melisandre: "I will do as Jon Snow commands."
Davo: "You serve Jon Snow now?"
Melisandre: "He is the Prince that was Promised." (New Follower/Prisoner)

39:52 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Despite their initial protests, Cersei convinces the Hand of the King Kevan Lannister and Olenna Tyrell to go with her plan to march the Tyrell army into King's Landing to arrest the High Sparrow and rescue Queen Margaery.
Kevan Lannister: "We'll have civil war. Many will die."
Olenna Tyrell: "Many will die no matter what we do. Better them than us." (Convincing Argument)

No Jaime points for this? I took it as he convinces Kevan. "We're you commanded not to stand down?", "Do you think Tommen will complain when he has his wife back by his side? " etc -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 thederekwilson, coconnor723, mariahwestfall3 like this
Yeah, this was clearly a tag team effort. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 16 nyan likes this
Jaime's points have been proposed here: http://fantasora.com/event/2388 -nyan

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Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

2:16 (+3) Jon Snow:

Edd: "Where you gonna go?"
Jon Snow: "South."
Edd: "What you gonna do?"
Jon: "Get warm?" (Funny Line)

5:45 (+3) Jon Snow:

after Sansa tastes the finest from Castle Black Brewery: "You'd think after thousands of years, the Night's Watch would have learned how to make a good ale." (Funny Line)

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13:06 (+3) Missandei:

Tyrion: "Trust me. My own recent experience with slavery have taught me the horrors of that institution."
Missandei: "How many days were you a slave?"
Tyrion: "...long enough to know."
Missandei: "Not long enough to understand." (Witty Insult)

16:22 (+3) Missandei:

Tyrion, in Valyrian: "Large sorry... you wait so fat time."
Missandei: "Perhaps I should translate for you." (Funny Line)

What is funny about this? Tyrion's line was funny, but that doesnt mean this was. -wsleppy

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2016 May 17 bookworm13457 and MillerTime like this
Missandei's comedic timing want the best here, it was a mix of funny/insult to how bad Tyrion's Valyrian was. If there are others who feel it wasn't funny enough, we can move it out. -nyan

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2016 May 17
I disagree. Missandei is always serious. I doubt you can make a case that she tried to make a joke. She mostly just wanted to get the communication right. The situation was funny from a 'this is not a real situation but one in a tv show perspective'. If that were real life, no body would laugh at it imho. -rajatnigam

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20:38 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Daario: "Oh, I don't want to fight you, Jorah the Andal. What do I have to gain? If I win, I'm the shit who killed an old man. If I lose, I'm the shit who was killed by an old man."
Jorah: "You didn't get much discipline as a child, did you?" (Witty Insult)

43:47 (+3) Osha:

Ramsay: "Do you know who I am?"
Osha: "A lord."
Ramsay: "Yes. A lord. You've seen my banners?"
Osha: "The flayed man."
Ramsay: "Does that worry you at all?"
Osha: "You eat them after?"
Ramsay: "No."
Osha: "Then I've seen worse." (Witty Insult)

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53:47 (+3) Khal Moro:

to Daenerys: "All right. No Dosh Khaleen for you. Instead we'll take turns fucking you. And then we'll let our bloodriders fuck you. And if there's anything left of you, we'll give our horses a turn." (Threat)

Acts of Intercourse

45:54 (+5) Osha:

Osha gets her hands in Ramsay's pants. "Same thing men always want. And when they really want it, they give it a bath first." (Act of Intercourse)

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We saw that Osha got farther than the slavers, comparing it to other events in this episode, at least. -cjcookart

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2016 May 17
@taylor Theon's torture scene is another good example. We actually never did a rewatch for S3 so it hasn't been scored, but it has similarities to this one, though it ends up a good deal more sexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLQxu9aHdc

The game and scoring should continue evolving better definitions, so don't automatically take the S2 points as evidence that this should also count for sex. Instead I would use it as a thought experiment - the two situations are very similar, so whichever way I feel about scoring one, should probably apply to the other. If I feel that they should be scored differently, what is the criteria that differentiates them?

I would also say that, while the on-screen intimacy shown here definitely feels more "deserving" than the Slavers' scene, the game still works as long as the rules are clear and consistent, e.g. if we decide on "full penetration" or "skin-on-skin contact of reproductive organs" as criteria. It can end up excluding a few worthy events, but also adds an extra element of detail to be on the lookout for. The intricacies of wine drinking and the refill mechanics are my personal favorite examples of precise scorekeeping that makes for a more fun fantasy-watching experience, compared to a more common-sense approach that eyeballs how many drinks were consumed. -nyan

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2016 May 17 cjcookart likes this
We'll go with "direct contact with reproductive organs", which this will count for. This verbage has been added to the rulebook. -nyan

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Deaths

46:30 (+10) Osha:

Osha bleeds out on the floor of Ramsay Bolton's quarters, after her failed attempt to assassinate him. (Death)

55:21 (+10) Khal Moro:

Khal Moro is burned alive inside the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen as Daenerys shoves the last torchstand at him. (Death)

Special

12:40 (+9) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm remarks on the arriving slave masters from Yunkai and Astapor. "You invite the *enemy* into our city... I don't make peace with the Queen's *enemies*, I kill the Queen's *enemies*." (Special)

13:40 (+3) Varys:

Astapor slave master: "We came here to meet the Queen, and instead we're greeted by a dwarf and a eunuch." (Special)

14:08 (+3) Grey Worm :

Missandei: "...hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children still lived in chains-"
Razdal mo Eraz: "As they have since the dawn of time."
Grey Worm: "Not *anymore*". (Special)

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18:02 (+3) Missandei:

in Valyrian to the former slaves: "I do not trust them (the slave mastesr). I will never trust them. ... but as a wise man once said, 'We make peace with our enemies, not out friends'." (Special)

18:42 (+3) Grey Worm :

to Tyrion: "I am loyal to my Queen, not you. If you betray her work, you are my *enemy*." (Special)

19:13 (+3) Grey Worm :

to Tyrion: "You don't know them (the slave masters), you don't *understand* them. We are not human in their eyes." (Special)

20:28 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Friendzone ribbing from alpha-male Daario
Daario Naharis: "It must make you angry, that our Queen chose me."
Jorah: "It makes me sad. You'll disappoint her before long, she'll move on." (Special)

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Good call here; this seems quite similar to the previous Daario to Jorah lines that were counted. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 17
Maybe this is getting a little nitty-gritty into friendzones from an veteran friendzoner, but I thought of this as more of a straight insult about Jorah's age/stamina. The friendzone is more about how close you are platonically to someone, while not being anywhere remotely close to getting with them in romantic/physical terms. Daario doesn't take any shots at that aspect of Jorah/Daenerys' relationship here. -nyan

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2016 May 17
I felt the comment about Daenerys choosing Daario over him was a bit of a personal blow, a bit cocky for him to say to Jorah's face. -cjcookart

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2016 May 17
Ah, was focused on the first part and glossed over that point about choosing him. I think it'll qualify as friendzone ribbing. -nyan

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2016 May 18
I thought he'd only get points when being friendzoned by Daenerys.. like being rejected and stuff. But then again, this probably won't happen a lot anymore in the series and seems to have become replaced by Daario poking into the friendzone-wound :o -Lem Lemoncake

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21:03 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah the Explorah gives Daario this week's culture lesson on Dothraki city layout.
"The road running through the Horse Gate, they call that the Godsway. Eastern Market, Western Market. When Khal Drogo died, she was supposed to come here and join the Dosh Khaleen, the widows of the dead Khals. That's where they'll have taken her. The Temple of the Dosh Khaleen." (Special)

25:10 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah reminds Daario about the rules of engagement in Vaes Dothrak: "If they find a body with a stab wound, the whole city will be looking for us." (Special)

48:13 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon opens up Ramsay Bolton's letter, addressed: "To the traitor and bastard, Jon Snow." (Special)

48:23 (+3) Jon Snow:

Ramsay Bolton's letter to Jon: "Winterfell is mine, bastard. Come and see." (Special)

48:43 (+3) Jon Snow:

Ramsay Bolton's letter to Jon: "I want my bride back. Send her to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your Wildling lovers." (Special)

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