Matchup: superdanyt vs The Bastard of Driftmark is coming for you for Ep 1

Casterly Sellsword (Public #36)

superdanyt (daniel.a.tessler)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Wine	Sex	Special
Daario Naharis Leader of the Second Sons, a sellsword company who broke their contract and now sides with Daenerys.	#33	13	0	5	5	3
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys seeks to return home and reclaim the Iron Throne. With her three dragons and an army on Unsullied warriors, she has conquered several slave cities and rules over the city of Meereen.	#1	8	3	0	5	0
Missandei A freed slave from Astapor. She works for Daenerys as an advisor. She is fluent in many languages and often serves as a translator.	#32	3	0	0	0	3
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. He is north of the Wall, arriving in the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#16	0	0	0	0	0
Grand Maester Pycelle The Grand Maester of the Seven Kingdoms. Pycelle is highly educated and serves as an advisor to the King.	#49	0	0	0	0	0
Margaery Tyrell The daughter of Mace Tyrell, head of House Tyrell. Betrothed to King Tommen, she is the queen-to-be and active in the politics of King's Landing.	#17	0	0	0	0	0
Gendry A bastard son of Robert Baratheon, although this fact is not widely known (even to Gendry himself). After being captured by Melisandre, he is freed by Ser Davos and escaped Dragonstone by rowboat. His whereabouts are currently unknown.	#64	0	0	0	0	0
Eddison Tollett A member of the Night's Watch. Edd commanded some of the forces on the Wall in the Battle at Castle Black.	#48	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		24	3	5	10	6

The Bastard of Driftmark is coming for you (joshjburns1)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Deaths	Special
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and a member of the Night's Watch. He helped lead the defense of Castle Black against the Wildling siege.	#3	13	10	0	3
Mance Rayder A former member of the Night's Watch, Mance leads a united Wildling army as the King Beyond the Wall. Following the Battle at Castle Black however, his forces were defeated and he was captured by Stannis Baratheon.	#19	10	0	10	0
Tommen Baratheon The new King of the Seven Kingdoms.	#30	0	0	0	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#62	0	0	0	0
Barristan Selmy The former Lord Commander of the Kingsguard of Robert and Joffrey Baratheon. After being dismissed by King Joffrey, he joins Daenerys to serve as her advisor and Queensguard.	#35	0	0	0	0
Stannis Baratheon The eldest brother of King Robert, he is the rightful heir to the Irone Throne.	#14	0	0	0	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities.	#46	0	0	0	0
Leaf A member of the Children of the Forest. She leads Bran and his companions to cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#51	0	0	0	0
Totals		23	10	10	3

Kills

52:44 (+10) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow gives Mance a mercy kill, shooting an arrow through his heart before he is consumed by a burning pyre. (Kill of Named Character)

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To explain more about the philosophy, one of the important parts of the scorekeeping is that it can objectively follow definitions, without requiring judgment calls on the part of some scorekeeper (which can be subjective). In this case, I agree with both of you that Stannis probably "deserves" some credit - without his actions, Mance wouldn't have been put in a position to be killed. But "put in a position to be killed" is a little murky to make a rule for - how do you draw the line? Is it really Melisandre that puts him in that position because she starts the fire burning?

Given that, I think it's better to stick to the scoring definitions, because there's no subjectivity to them. And sometimes it results in a "deserving" character losing points, but that's fantasy sometimes - just like a football RB who hauls his team to the goal line, only for the backup to sub in and score the 1yd touchdown. -nyan

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2015 Apr 14 moonbaseu92 and coconnor723 like this
I agree with Nyan. Riddle me this: If someone (King A) commands his executioner (Brute) to kill the shopgirl (Lass), and Lass flees to Other Country where she is run over by a cart and dies, does King A get the point? Everyone's actions contribute. The point is, Mance was killed by Jon Snow. Jon Snow was NOT commanded to kill him by Stannis. Therefore, it's not a commanded kill. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 19
That's different because Mance didn't escape from the fire and run away while Jon shot at him to keep him from escaping. He was in the process of dying. Even if Jon hadn't intervened, he still would've been dead. I know Stannis won't get points for that, and I don't care, I'm just saying that I disagree with your example. -kas113

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2015 Apr 21 moonbaseu92 likes this

Political Wins

38:49 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys denies Hizdahr zo Loraq's request for the fighting pits to be re-opened.
Hizdahr: "They did ask for some concessions."
Daenerys: "Concessions?"
Hizdahr: "Politics is the art of compromise, Your Grace."
Daenerys: "I'm not a politician. I'm a queen."
...
Hizdahr: "In the new world that you've brought to us, free men would fight free men. The pit fighters you liberated plead for this opportunity. Bring some here and ask them yourself."
Daenerys: "No fighting pits."
Hizdahr: "Opening them would show the people of Yunkai and Meereen that you respect their traditions."
Daenerys: "I do not respect the tradition of human cockfighting."
Hizdahr: "If you could-"
Daenerys: "How many times must I say no before you understand?" (Politics - uncategorized)

Does Stannis not get points in episode one of this season for having Mance Raydar as his prisoner? Also during Mance Raydar's sentencing the other wildlings including Tormund Giantsbane are clearly shown in chains. We can also presume that they are also prisoners of Stannis. -Reaper

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2015 Apr 22 wpearsal likes this
He does get the politics points for that (new prisoner), but that capture and imprisonment happened last season in S4E10. -nyan

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2015 Apr 22
I thought so, but when i looked back at last season leagues Stannis never gets the points for the capture in that episode. So i thought it would transfer to this season because it was never made clear last season. -Reaper

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2015 Apr 22
Yeah, the S4 points are incomplete in that regard - the Politics category didn't exist when we played last year. We'll be doing a new rewatch for it (and recording these points) sometime after S5. -nyan

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2015 Apr 22

Glasses of Wine Consumed

40:14 (+5) Daario Naharis :

Daario drinks in bed with Daenerys. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

39:25 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

In bed with Daario, as they discuss the re-opening of the fighting pits. (Act of Intercourse)

If Nudity contributes extra points, how do all 4 of these people have 5 points? Olyver, Loras, and Daario were all nude. Daenerys' scene shouldn't count as nudity. She shows the same amount of skin when she's clothed. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 19
All of the sex scenes in the episode were actually counted as non-nude sex scenes - "rated R" nudity is the threshold, so unfortunately all those E1 butts were not counted. -nyan

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2015 Apr 20
BUTTS DON'T COUNT?!?!? NOOOOOOOO

I chose Daario purely for the butt shots! Augh D: -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20
According to the MPAA, "nudity that is sexually oriented will generally require an R rating." (from wikipedia)

I WILL CAMPAIGN FOR BUTTS TO COUNT

WHO'S WITH ME!??! -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20 moonbaseu92 likes this
http://www.filmratings.com/downloads/rating_rules.pdf

Page 7 and 8. That would mean Dany getting out of the bath as a challenge to Daario would NOT be rated R (it'd get a PG-13), but all three butts in that episode would (sexual context). -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20
I'm not quite sure that interpretation of the MPAA guidelines is correct - I'm pretty sure the Dany bath scene from S3 would earn an R-rating, and the general bare butts we saw in S5E1 would still fall within PG-13.

That said, I'm not philosophically opposed to counting butts. Originally this was conceived as a "buff" for female characters to have more potential for sex points, but it's shown up sparingly enough that it wouldn't hugely upset the balance to count down. Here's a question though: would you want to grant a full 5x point multiplier (potentially 25pts) to a fully-nude female sex scene?

btw, this was established already in the rulebook: "individual boobs and lower-body genitalia", which excludes butts but was perhaps not explicit enough. Given that, it likely won't change since everyone has already drafted with the given ruleset and it would be unfair to suddenly change the scoring afterward. But I'm very open to the discussion for a future scoring change (S6 and beyond). -nyan

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2015 Apr 21 moonbaseu92 likes this

39:31 (+5) Daario Naharis :

Daario pours wine after a session with Daenerys, as they discuss the re-opening of the fighting pits. (Act of Intercourse)

Deaths

52:55 (+10) Mance Rayder:

Mance stands on a burning pyre after he refuses to bend the knee to Stannis Baratheon. He is mercy killed with an arrow through the heart by Jon Snow. (Death)

Special

19:10 (+3) Missandei:

Missandei addresses Grey Worm by his name in Valyrian: "Torgo Nudho." (Special)

23:07 (+3) Jon Snow:

Melisandre announces Jon Snow to Stannis: "Your Grace. The bastard of Winterfell." (Special)

39:02 (+3) Daario Naharis :

While Daenerys holds court with Hizdahr zo Loraq, Daario pulls out his dagger and suggestively strokes its naked lady hilt while Daenerys eyes him. (Special)

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