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Casterly Sellsword (Public #36)

4-6, 46.5 roto pts (#2)
Z-Score: 0.894 (percentile: 81.45%)
Weeks at #1: 0
Categories won: Deaths (54)
Best Week: Episode 3: The High Sparrow (+11.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Jon Snow (picked #3, 104 points, 40.78% of team total)
Longest winstreak: W-1

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and a member of the Night's Watch. He helped lead the defense of Castle Black against the Wildling siege.	#3	104	35	27	6	20	0	10	6
Stannis Baratheon The eldest brother of King Robert, he is the rightful heir to the Irone Throne.	#14	54	14	15	9	0	0	10	6
Barristan Selmy The former Lord Commander of the Kingsguard of Robert and Joffrey Baratheon. After being dismissed by King Joffrey, he joins Daenerys to serve as her advisor and Queensguard.	#35	48	30	3	0	0	0	15	0
Tommen Baratheon The new King of the Seven Kingdoms.	#30	22	0	9	3	5	5	0	0
Mance Rayder A former member of the Night's Watch, Mance leads a united Wildling army as the King Beyond the Wall. Following the Battle at Castle Black however, his forces were defeated and he was captured by Stannis Baratheon.	#19	19	0	0	0	0	0	19	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities.	#46	8	2	3	3	0	0	0	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#62	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Leaf A member of the Children of the Forest. She leads Bran and his companions to cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#51	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		255	81	57	21	25	5	54	12

Roster

charId	Character	Special
39	Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and a member of the Night's Watch. He helped lead the defense of Castle Black against the Wildling siege.	* +1 each time he unintentionally drops Longclaw * +1 point each time he is called a bastard in his presence * Ghost's actions contribute to his points.
51	Stannis Baratheon The eldest brother of King Robert, he is the rightful heir to the Irone Throne.	+1 point each time he makes a Stannis-style pedantic correction. +1 point when he mentions that someone will/should "bend the knee" [new]
66	Mance Rayder A former member of the Night's Watch, Mance leads a united Wildling army as the King Beyond the Wall. Following the Battle at Castle Black however, his forces were defeated and he was captured by Stannis Baratheon.
77	Tommen Baratheon The new King of the Seven Kingdoms.	Actions by Ser Pounce contribute to his points.
35	Barristan Selmy The former Lord Commander of the Kingsguard of Robert and Joffrey Baratheon. After being dismissed by King Joffrey, he joins Daenerys to serve as her advisor and Queensguard.	+1 point when he makes a suggestion to Daenerys and she ignores it.
72	Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities.	* +1 point whenever he receives a new specimen for his experiments * +1 politics point when reporting information from his "little birds"
133	Leaf A member of the Children of the Forest. She leads Bran and his companions to cave of the Three-eyed Raven.
8	Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	+1 point for every scene where he has a speaking line Shaggydog's actions contribute to his points.

Kills

Episode 1: The Wars to Come

52:44 (+10) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow gives Mance a mercy kill, shooting an arrow through his heart before he is consumed by a burning pyre. (Kill of Named Character)

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To explain more about the philosophy, one of the important parts of the scorekeeping is that it can objectively follow definitions, without requiring judgment calls on the part of some scorekeeper (which can be subjective). In this case, I agree with both of you that Stannis probably "deserves" some credit - without his actions, Mance wouldn't have been put in a position to be killed. But "put in a position to be killed" is a little murky to make a rule for - how do you draw the line? Is it really Melisandre that puts him in that position because she starts the fire burning?

Given that, I think it's better to stick to the scoring definitions, because there's no subjectivity to them. And sometimes it results in a "deserving" character losing points, but that's fantasy sometimes - just like a football RB who hauls his team to the goal line, only for the backup to sub in and score the 1yd touchdown. -nyan

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2015 Apr 14 moonbaseu92 and coconnor723 like this
I agree with Nyan. Riddle me this: If someone (King A) commands his executioner (Brute) to kill the shopgirl (Lass), and Lass flees to Other Country where she is run over by a cart and dies, does King A get the point? Everyone's actions contribute. The point is, Mance was killed by Jon Snow. Jon Snow was NOT commanded to kill him by Stannis. Therefore, it's not a commanded kill. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 19
That's different because Mance didn't escape from the fire and run away while Jon shot at him to keep him from escaping. He was in the process of dying. Even if Jon hadn't intervened, he still would've been dead. I know Stannis won't get points for that, and I don't care, I'm just saying that I disagree with your example. -kas113

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Episode 3: The High Sparrow

40:26 (+10) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow executes Janos Slynt for insubordination, after he publicly defies Jon's orders to head out to Greyguard tower. (Kill of Named Character)

46:58 (+2) Qyburn:

Qyburn kills a rat for his experiments, splashing its blood onto his magnifying glass. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

47:48 (+30) Barristan Selmy:

Barristan arrives to the scene of the Unsullied ambush. He cuts down 15 of the Sons of the Harpy in an attempt to save Grey Worm, but is eventually cut down by the mob.
1. Slashed across the back as Barristan arrives
2. Slashed across the stomach as the mob engages
3. Slashed across the side after his first strike is parried
4. Held in place by Barristan to receive a stab from a fellow Son of the Harpy
5. Slashed across the chest
6. Sliced through the stomach
7. Sliced across the back
8. Stabbed through the stomach
9. Beheaded from behind
10. Slashed through with an uppercut swing
11. Stabbed through the stomach
12. Slashes across the stomach
13. Slashes after stabbing Barristan's leg
14. Stabbed through while Barristan is kneeling on the ground
15. Stabbed simultaneously while another stabs Barristan through the stomach (mostly obscured behind the surviving fighter) (Kill of Unnamed Character)

There's a lot of speculation on this - Barristan is definitely injured but may still survive. Death points (if any) will be counted in the episode where death is confirmed. -nyan

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2015 May 5
I think #4 may be somewhat debatable - assists don't count, and Barristan simply held the Harpy in place while he was stabbed by the other. Arguably though, Barristan knew the stab was coming, and he positioned the Harpy in the way to receive it. I went with that interpretation and credited Barristan with the kill. -nyan

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2015 May 5 alicehanners likes this
In the preview for episode 5, there's a shot of Dany standing over Barristan's body and I'm 100% sure he's dead -cfitzgerald

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2015 May 7
See event/1525 for more discussion.
While the previews may give a hint, I don't think they're authoritative - e.g. if there's a scene showing Barristan's funeral, it may come from later in the episode and Barristan actually gets an opening scene with a few last words to Daenerys before dying. Also since some viewers don't watch them, it would introduce some spoilers to include information from the previews in the scoring. -nyan

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2015 May 7

Episode 8: Hardhome

47:58 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon runs his sword through a wight that emerges through a hole in the Hardhome walls, holding it in place until Tormund can come to patch the wall up with a sledge. (Major Injury of Unnamed Character)

49:08 (+4) Jon Snow:

Jon swings through two wights as he runs towards the building were the dragonglass daggers were left. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:51 (+10) Jon Snow:

After parrying the White Walker's ice spear with his Valyrian Steel sword, Longclaw, Jon slashes through the White Walker, shattering his body into bits of ice. (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 9: The Dance of Dragons

33:57 (+10) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis sacrifices his own daughter Shireen to the Lord of Light, allowing the red priestess Melisandre to burn her at the stake. (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

14:07 (+4) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis kills two Bolton soldiers who attempt to finish him off in the woods outside Winterfell. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

25:41 (+3) Barristan Selmy:

Barristan convinces Daenerys to give the Son of the Harpy a fair trial instead of executing him immediately. "Your Grace... I served in [Mad King Aerys'] Kingsguard. I was at his side from the first. Your enemies did not lie." (Politics - uncategorized)

31:11 (+3) Qyburn:

Cersei names Qyburn the new Master of Whispers, replacing Varys. (Politics - uncategorized)

43:38 (+3) Jon Snow:

By the margin of a single vote, Jon Snow is reluctantly elected as the 998th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. (Politics - uncategorized)

Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)? -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 21 coconnor723 likes this
I don't think people get points for followers. Else Dany would have billions of points, Stannis a buttload, Tommen a ton, Doran a bunch, etc. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 24
Has there been a vote on this? I think the two explicit followers rule should count! -coconnor723

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2015 Apr 27

43:41 (+6) Jon Snow:

Samwell Tarly and Maester Aemon cast their votes for Jon Snow in the Night's Watch election. Jon edges past Ser Alliser Thorne in the election and becomes their Lord Commander. (Politics - uncategorized)

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Brought up by @moonbaseu92: "Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)?" -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
It's an excellent point, but a bit tricky to figure out where to limit the scope. I'd like to figure out the line and record this as a new precedent in the Rulebook.

The problem with awarding automatic followers when someone gains a new title is that it potentially has a limitless range. For example, when Tommen becomes King, did that automatically make *every* Lannister/Tyrell character in the Seven Kingdoms his follower?

I think a reasonable rule would be to require an explicit pledge or act of loyalty by the follower. So in Joffrey's case, he'd get the standard point just for receiving the title of King, but no automatic points for any of the hundreds of named subjects. However if a scene shows a character coming to King's Landing to pledge a *new* oath of fealty to King Joffrey (like he requested of Robb), that'd count as a follower.

Applied to this election, I think normally there'd be no new followers for Jon, even from those who enthusiastically support him like Samwell (same as how Tommen doesn't automatically get every Lannister/Tyrell as a follower). *However*, the Night's Watch is unique in that they carry out a democratic process, giving every member the agency to choose who they want to declare (vote) for. In this case, the votes casted are an explicit act for "I will follow Jon Snow if he wins the election", so the votes by Samwell and Maester Aemon are counted as new followers.

What does everyone else think of establishing this as the scoring rule for followers? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
Sounds good to me. The more points scored the better and it helps improve some characters that might not score as much. As you said, it just needs to be more black and white for the scorekeepers. -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 23

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

5:53 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen is married to Margaery Tyrell (Politics - uncategorized)

24:03 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon takes on Olly as his personal steward. "Olly is my steward now, as I was Lord Commander Mormont's. I want him to attend my meetings, to learn from men with experience. One day, he might command." (Politics - uncategorized)

25:27 (+3) Jon Snow:

"The Night's Watch can't continue to feed your men and the Wildling prisoners indefinitely. Winter is coming." (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

11:33 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow unlocks Tormund from his chains and convinces him to go on a mission to save the remaining Wildlings.
Jon: "Your people need a leader. And they need to get south of the Wall before it's too late. We don't have much time and they have less. The Walkers are coming and they'll hit your people first. I'm not asking you to make peace to save your skin. Make peace to save your people."
...
Tormund: "Alright then... You're coming with me." (Politics - uncategorized)

15:47 (+3) Jon Snow:

to Olly: "I know this is hard for you. But Winter is coming. We know what's coming with it. We can't face it alone." (Politics - uncategorized)

38:37 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis ignores Ser Davos Seaworth's caution and gives the order to mobilize the Baratheon army. "We have the advantage: more men, more horses, all fed and rested. But every day we wait, the odds shift in Bolton's favor. This could turn to winter at any moment. We have to act now. Give the order. We march at sunrise." (Politics - uncategorized)

40:36 (+3) Jon Snow:

Stannis agrees to lend Jon Snow his ships, indicating that Jon is forging ahead with his plan to rescue the Wildlings despite the disapproval of most of the Night's Watch. (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 7: The Gift

5:18 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow is given a dragonglass dagger by Samwell Tarly, in the event that he needs to fend off the White Walkers. (Politics - uncategorized)

18:26 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis orders his army to march on through the winter storm, against Ser Davos' counsel.
Davos Seaworth: "It's better to wait for the right time than risk everything."
Stannis: "This is the right time and I will risk everything. Because if I don't, we've lost. We march to victory or we march to defeat. But we go forward. Only forward." (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 9: The Dance of Dragons

8:26 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis overrules Ser Davos's protests, and orders him away to Castle Black.
Ser Davos: "The King's Hand should never abandon the king, especially in time of war."
Stannis: "You're not abandoning me. You're obeying a command ... Ride for Castle Black. Don't come back empty-handed." (Politics - uncategorized)

8:44 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis denies Ser Davos' plead to escort the royal family back to Castle Black.
Davos: "Your Grace, perhaps Queen Selyse and Princess Shireen could accompany me."
Stannis: "My family stays with me."
Davos: "At least let me take Shireen. A siege is no place for a little girl."
Stannis: "My family stays with me." (Politics - uncategorized)

13:17 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

King Tommen has apparently sent orders for his sister Myrcella to return to King's Landing, which Doran Martell reluctantly agrees to. "King Tommen insists on his sister's return to the capital? ... I cannot disobey my king's command." (Politics - uncategorized)

33:03 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis overrules his wife Selyse's last second change of heart on the sacrifice of Shireen.
Selyse Baratheon: "We can't."
Stannis: "There's no other way. She has king's blood." (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

53:25 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen gains a new member to his Kingsguard in the Mountain, who has been rehabilitated by Qyburn. (Politics - uncategorized)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

6:54 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

King Tommen after bedding Margaery: "This is all I want to do. All day. Every day. For the rest of my life." (Funny Line)

25:02 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis: "You're as stubborn as your father. And as honorable."
Jon Snow: "I can imagine no higher praise"
Stannis: "I didn't mean it as praise. Honor got your father killed." (Witty Insult)

submitted by Reaper (approved!)

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Wait, did you really get 2 x 3 points for the same thing? -pretty_mvtherfvcker

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2015 Apr 29
This was my initial thought as well, @pretty_mvutherfvcker. You could read it as Stannis calling Jon stupid, because honor is a stupid trait that will get him killed. Also a correction on Jon's naivety in assuming that honor was always a good trait. We could go back to rejecting this one if enough people disagree. -nyan

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2015 Apr 29
the line fits two categories special/insult :) -Reaper

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2015 Apr 29 moonbaseu92 likes this

26:24 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Jon Snow: "I heard it was best to keep your enemies close."
Stannis: "Whoever said that didn't have many enemies." (Funny Line)

submitted by Reaper (approved!)

36:14 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon appoints a new latrine captain to head up the latrine pit digging: "Brian - it seems like a good job for a ginger." (Funny Line)

43:11 (+3) Qyburn:

to High Septon: "So you were ministering to the needs of these... devout prostitutes." (Funny Line)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

22:16 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis: "Are you lonely?"
Shireen: "Just bored."
Stannis: "My father used to tell me that boredom indicates a lack of inner resources." (Witty Insult)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

7:59 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon: "You had just been beaten half to death. How did you...?"
Sam: "Oh, very carefully."
Jon: "I'm glad the end of the world's working out well for someone." (Funny Line)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

39:23 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks in the hall at Castle Black, as the election for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch begins. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

42:44 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks another cup while members of the Night's Watch cast their votes for Lord Commander. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

9:03 (+5) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen drinks in bed after sleeping with Margaery. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

I think they were drinking water. -timguttman

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2015 Apr 28
I think they were drinking water. -timguttman

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2015 Apr 28
Definitely looked like sake to me ;)

In all seriousness, the rulebook counts pretty much every liquid as alcoholic, unless it's explicitly disproven, e.g. the Hound's "fuck the water, bring me wine" in the Battle of the Blackwater. It's just more fun with more points to go around. -nyan

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2015 Apr 28

39:12 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon "Never Kill a Man Sober" Snow finishes off his drink before heading outside to execute Janos Slynt. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

8:23 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon and Sam toast to Sam's journey to Oldtown to become a Maester. "To your return." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

6:34 (+5) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen's first time, consummating his marriage with Margaery after their wedding. "It all happened so fast." (Act of Intercourse)

Deaths

Episode 1: The Wars to Come

52:55 (+10) Mance Rayder:

Mance stands on a burning pyre after he refuses to bend the knee to Stannis Baratheon. He is mercy killed with an arrow through the heart by Jon Snow. (Death)

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

+1 for Mance Rayder

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

+1 for Mance Rayder

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

+1 for Mance Rayder

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

2:14 (+10) Barristan Selmy:

Barristan's body lies in Daenery's throneroom after he was cut down by the Sons of the Harpy. (Death)

+1 for Mance Rayder

Episode 6: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

+1 for Barristan Selmy, +1 for Mance Rayder

Episode 7: The Gift

+1 for Barristan Selmy, +1 for Mance Rayder

Episode 8: Hardhome

+1 for Barristan Selmy, +1 for Mance Rayder

Episode 9: The Dance of Dragons

+1 for Barristan Selmy, +1 for Mance Rayder

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

16:11 (+10) Stannis Baratheon:

The strong implication is that he was, in fact killed at the hands of Brienne of Tarth. I realize it wasn't technically on-screen and could be considered to be ambiguous, but we never saw Syrio Forel's death or the Hound's death, but the understanding is that they are dead as well. And if at the start of the next season, it turns out that he did, in fact, die, it'll be a little late to go back and add the points. Would the points be given to whoever has him at the beginning of next season, then? (Death)

submitted by cfitzgerald (approved!)

The precedents for kills and deaths has been to count them in the episode where it was confirmed - Barristan Selmy was treated that way (scored when we actually saw him lying on the table in the next episode), and neither Syrio Forel nor the Hound are actually counted for death points yet. Davos in S2E9 closely paralleled this - received what was possibly a fatal blow, wasn't heard from the rest of the season, then showed up fine in S3E1.

Normally the cliffhangers are between episodes and it's not as big of a deal, since the points are still counted eventually. In this case, teams that drafted Stannis would miss out on the points entirely (if he's actually dead), which is unfortunate. But the false positive is a much bigger problem: if we count a death in S5, then in S6E1 we find out the character is still alive, the S5 results are unequivocally wrong, and we may find ourselves revising scores and winners 9 months later. Counting the death for S6E1 is at least consistent to a rule that we'll count the deaths when we see a body. -nyan

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2015 Jun 16
That all said, the event suggestion is listed here because there's a very believable argument that Stannis is actually dead-dead. If everyone else is equally certain here, I'll go ahead and add this (and Brienne's kill points) in. -nyan

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2015 Jun 16
I think it's ambiguous whether he's dead-dead and whether Brienne had a last minute change of heart when she was reminded of her duty to rescue Sansa (as opposed to exacting vengeance for the death of Renly). -elaine

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2015 Jun 16
The official Game of Thrones viewer guide says Brienne killed Stannis -cfitzgerald

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2015 Jun 18
Repeating comment here: the pure scorekeeper in me doesn't like this as much either, but I'll end up recording the Kill and Death points based on it being highly likely that it happened. Pragmatically there is more riding on this death than Barristan's, because his potential death would just be recorded in the subsequent episode, which isn't a possibility here. Ultimately I think more players will be happier with the points recorded.

I'll make this an official "last episode of season" exception in the Rulebook, where the kill/death standard can be lowered from "confirmed" to simply "highly likely". -nyan

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2015 Jun 30

58:45 (+10) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow is stabbed by a band of Night's Watch mutineers, receiving the final fatal blow from his steward, Olly. (Death)

+1 for Barristan Selmy, +1 for Mance Rayder

Special

Episode 1: The Wars to Come

23:07 (+3) Jon Snow:

Melisandre announces Jon Snow to Stannis: "Your Grace. The bastard of Winterfell." (Special)

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

25:02 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis corrects Jon Snow
Stannis: "You're as stubborn as your father. And as honorable."
Jon Snow: "I can imagine no higher praise"
Stannis: "I didn't mean it as praise. Honor got your father killed." (Special)

submitted by Reaper (approved!)

38:09 (+3) Jon Snow:

Janos Slynt: "You can stick your order up your bastard ass." (Special)

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

13:21 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis corrects First Builder Yarwyck during a meeting of the Night's Watch.
Othell Yarwyck: "Let them die (the Wildlings). We got out our own to worry about. Less enemies for us."
Stannis: "Fewer." (Special)

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