Matchup: Wargumentative vs The Bastard of Driftmark is coming for you for Ep 2

Casterly Sellsword (Public #36)

Wargumentative (tjonathan49)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Special
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. She travels to Braavos to seek Jaqen H'gar.	#7	20	2	0	3	15
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three children. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.	#10	6	0	3	0	3
Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	#23	6	0	0	6	0
Davos Seaworth A former smuggler, Ser Davos is now a knight serving Stannis Baratheon, and one of his most trusted advisors, though he is often at odds with the Red Priestess Melisandre.	#26	0	0	0	0	0
Meera Reed The eldest child of Howland Reed, bannerman to the Starks. She and Bran have arrived at the cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#39	0	0	0	0	0
Areo Hotah The personal bodyguard for Doran Martell.	#55	0	0	0	0	0
Alliser Thorne Formerly the master-of-arms at Castle Black, Thorne now serves as acting Lord Commander of the Night's Watch in the absence of Lord Commander Mormont.	#42	0	0	0	0	0
Yezzan zo Qaggaz (slave trader) A slave trader from Yunkai.	#58	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		32	2	3	9	18

The Bastard of Driftmark is coming for you (joshjburns1)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Wine	Deaths
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and a member of the Night's Watch. He helped lead the defense of Castle Black against the Wildling siege.	#3	19	9	10	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities.	#46	3	3	0	0
Barristan Selmy The former Lord Commander of the Kingsguard of Robert and Joffrey Baratheon. After being dismissed by King Joffrey, he joins Daenerys to serve as her advisor and Queensguard.	#35	3	3	0	0
Mance Rayder A former member of the Night's Watch, Mance leads a united Wildling army as the King Beyond the Wall. Following the Battle at Castle Black however, his forces were defeated and he was captured by Stannis Baratheon.	#19	1	0	0	1
Leaf A member of the Children of the Forest. She leads Bran and his companions to cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#51	0	0	0	0
Stannis Baratheon The eldest brother of King Robert, he is the rightful heir to the Irone Throne.	#14	0	0	0	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#62	0	0	0	0
Tommen Baratheon The new King of the Seven Kingdoms.	#30	0	0	0	0
Totals		26	15	10	1

Kills

44:07 (+2) Arya Stark:

Arya kills a pigeon on the streets of Braavos. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

19:20 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime coerces Bronn into his service, marrying off the noblewoman he is betrothed to, Lollys Stokeworth, to another knight, stripping Bronn of his opportunity for a noble title and lands. "Because you're going to come with me and help me with something important. And when we return... I'm going to give you a much better girl, and a much better castle." (Politics - uncategorized)

25:41 (+3) Barristan Selmy:

Barristan convinces Daenerys to give the Son of the Harpy a fair trial instead of executing him immediately. "Your Grace... I served in [Mad King Aerys'] Kingsguard. I was at his side from the first. Your enemies did not lie." (Politics - uncategorized)

31:11 (+3) Qyburn:

Cersei names Qyburn the new Master of Whispers, replacing Varys. (Politics - uncategorized)

43:38 (+3) Jon Snow:

By the margin of a single vote, Jon Snow is reluctantly elected as the 998th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. (Politics - uncategorized)

Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)? -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 21 coconnor723 likes this
I don't think people get points for followers. Else Dany would have billions of points, Stannis a buttload, Tommen a ton, Doran a bunch, etc. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 24
Has there been a vote on this? I think the two explicit followers rule should count! -coconnor723

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2015 Apr 27

43:41 (+6) Jon Snow:

Samwell Tarly and Maester Aemon cast their votes for Jon Snow in the Night's Watch election. Jon edges past Ser Alliser Thorne in the election and becomes their Lord Commander. (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Brought up by @moonbaseu92: "Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)?" -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
It's an excellent point, but a bit tricky to figure out where to limit the scope. I'd like to figure out the line and record this as a new precedent in the Rulebook.

The problem with awarding automatic followers when someone gains a new title is that it potentially has a limitless range. For example, when Tommen becomes King, did that automatically make *every* Lannister/Tyrell character in the Seven Kingdoms his follower?

I think a reasonable rule would be to require an explicit pledge or act of loyalty by the follower. So in Joffrey's case, he'd get the standard point just for receiving the title of King, but no automatic points for any of the hundreds of named subjects. However if a scene shows a character coming to King's Landing to pledge a *new* oath of fealty to King Joffrey (like he requested of Robb), that'd count as a follower.

Applied to this election, I think normally there'd be no new followers for Jon, even from those who enthusiastically support him like Samwell (same as how Tommen doesn't automatically get every Lannister/Tyrell as a follower). *However*, the Night's Watch is unique in that they carry out a democratic process, giving every member the agency to choose who they want to declare (vote) for. In this case, the votes casted are an explicit act for "I will follow Jon Snow if he wins the election", so the votes by Samwell and Maester Aemon are counted as new followers.

What does everyone else think of establishing this as the scoring rule for followers? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
Sounds good to me. The more points scored the better and it helps improve some characters that might not score as much. As you said, it just needs to be more black and white for the scorekeepers. -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 23

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

20:42 (+3) Doran Martell:

Doran: "Oberyn was slain during a trial by combat. By law, that is no murder."
Ellaria: "Your brother-"
Doran: "You don't have to remind me. He was my brother long before he was anything to you." (Witty Insult)

20:58 (+3) Doran Martell:

Doran delivers a stern rebuke to the decision-making ability of Ellaria and his hot-headed subjects.
Doran: "You would have me go to war?"
Ellaria: "The whole country would have you go to war."
Doran: "Then we are lucky the whole country does not decide." (Witty Insult)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

44:36 (+3) Arya Stark:

Braavosi thief: "That's a nice little sword. Worth a hundred pigeons a sword like that."
Arya: "Nothing's worth anything to dead men." (Threat)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

39:23 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks in the hall at Castle Black, as the election for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch begins. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

42:44 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks another cup while members of the Night's Watch cast their votes for Lord Commander. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Deaths

+1 for Mance Rayder

Special

5:37 (+15) Arya Stark:

Arya recites her hitlist five times while waiting outside the House of Black & White. "Cersei. Walder Frey. The Mountain. Meryn Trant." (Special)

15:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Cersei talks to Jaime about Myrcella. "Then don't call her your daughter. You've never been a father to her." (Special)

Cersei and Jamie both mention their bastard children twice?
-mmccor4140

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2015 Apr 23 wpearsal likes this
It's a little fuzzy - the bastardy mentions were grouped into the same conversation, but I can see a case for counting the lines as separate mentions. Other thoughts? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
Is there an historical precedent for it? I feel like Sam made multiple, similar jokes about Janos Slynt too, but wasn't sure if they should all count? -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 23

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