Matchup: thegreenweenie vs The Bastards for Ep 7

thegreenweenie (mkretzinger15)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Sex	Special
White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	#3	19	16	3	0	0	0
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Recently having completed her training as an assassin in the House of Black and White, she has set sail to return to Westeros to pursue her revenge.	#10	13	10	0	3	0	0
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and past, and has the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. After having encountered the Three-Eyed Raven and the Night King in the far north, he now flees back south to the Wall.	#11	12	0	6	0	0	6
Daenerys Targaryen Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, Mother of Dragons and Breaker of Chains. With her three dragons and army of Unsullied soldiers she carved out an empire of liberated slave cities in the east, and she now sets her sights westward as she sails for the Seven Kingdoms to reclaim the Iron Throne.	#2	10	0	0	0	10	0
Missandei A freed slave from Astapor, who serves Daenerys as an advisor and translator.	#6	0	0	0	0	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, he serves as a member of the Kingsguard and Cersei's personal muscle. He is a massive and impossibly strong warrior, although he remains speechless and zombie-like ever since being wounded in a Trial by Combat against Oberyn Martell.	#7	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		54	26	9	3	10	6

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex
Tyrion Lannister Quick to wit and even quicker to the drink, Tyrion is the youngest of three Lannister children. After being exiled by his sister Cersei, he has joined with Daenerys Targaryen, serving as her Hand of the Queen and most trusted adviser.	#5	34	0	9	15	10	0
Cersei Lannister Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, after the death of her last remaining child Tommen Baratheon. She suffers from a rare water allergy.	#1	24	0	12	12	0	0
Jon Snow Recently declared King in the North, he is the bastard son of Ned Stark, and formerly served as Lord Commander of the Night's Watch before he was betrayed by his fellow men.	#4	18	2	6	0	0	10
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three (now deceased) bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.	#9	6	0	3	3	0	0
Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. After being held as a prisoner of House Bolton, Sansa managed to escape and, with the help of Jon Snow and the Knights of the Vale, defeated Ramsay Bolton to reclaim Winterfell for the Starks. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	#8	3	0	3	0	0	0
Brienne of Tarth A skilled fighter and heir to House Tarth. After swearing an oath to Catelyn Stark, she continues her mission to ensure the safety of the Stark girls.	#12	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		85	2	33	30	10	10

At the audience in King's Landing, Jon demonstrates the two ways of defeating the Army of the Dead, burning the wight's severed hand, and then finishing off the dismembered wight with a dragonglass dagger. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Dang, I thought Qyburn was going to come away with a new specimen for his experiments here. Would've been cool to see a franken-wight in S8. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29 Lem Lemoncake and emilydcampa like this
I noticed the "Captured Wight" was added as a draftable character. Would that not make him more significant / a named character? -kimbo

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2017 Aug 29 brandonthebigB, jedjackoway, jake.kmiech like this
I think we'll keep the criteria for "boss fight", which is the character being featured in a battle scene being a badass and/or owning the other extras. Not every draftable character will qualify to be a named/boss fight kill, we had this earlier with a few speculative draftable characters that ended up having extremely minor roles. -nyan

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59:58 (+10) Arya Stark:

Arya slits a groveling Littlefinger across his throat, after his betrayals and treason are exposed by Sansa in the court of Winterfell to the Northern and Vale lords.

Sansa: "Thank you for all your many lessons, Lord Baelish. I will never forget them." (Kill of Named Character)

78:00 (+16) White Walker (Night King):

The Night King rides in on the newly risen wight-dragon Viserion, attacking the Wall at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea with blue flame, and sending 8 of its defenders to their death amidst the collapsing ice wall. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

26:54 (+3) Jon Snow:

In what is universally regarded as a terrible idea by all sides, Jon single-handedly dissolves the Lannister-Targaryen truce in the name of honor and hopefully getting into Daenerys' pants later.

Cersei: "In return, the King in the North will extend this truce. He will remain in the North where he belongs. He will not take up arms against the Lannisters. He will not choose sides. ... I know Ned Stark's son will be true to his word."
Jon Snow: "I am true to my word. Or I try to be. That is why I cannot give you what you ask. I cannot serve two queens. And I have already pledged myself to Queen Daenerys of House Targaryen." (Executive Decision)

36:50 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

During their meeting in King's Landing, Tyrion deduces that Cersei is pregnant. (Secret Discovery)

40:01 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion's meeting with Cersei is succesful, convincing her to not only agree to the truce but to pledge her armies to march north to face the undead threat.

Cersei: "My armies will not stand down. I will not pull them back to the capital. I will march them north to fight alongside you in the Great War. The darkness is coming for us all. We'll face it together. And when the Great War is over, perhaps you'll remember I chose to help with no promises or assurances from any of you." (Convincing Argument)

Except Cersei lied? So its more like Tyrion fell for a betrayal, than that he won a victory. -andrewpost

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2017 Aug 29 Lem Lemoncake likes this
Agree, Tyrion was not successful here, only helped Cersei to elaborate a new plan -emilien.raggi

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2017 Aug 29
I dont think Cersei was ever convinced. We knew she had no intentions of ever keeping her word because she had Euron storm out to make her look weak 2 min into the conversation.Her plan from the beginning was to accept the offer and not go north. The only reason she didnt kill Tyrion was because if she killed him she couldnt accept the offer and have all of her enemies run away north. -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 29
Well, I guess this is dependent on which basis we are scoring: Do we score based on plot elements, which means, what we see and in the order we see it, or the story, which kind of includes everything before and after it and what happens in the background without direct telling. If Cersei's betrayal would be presented to us in the next episode, this would be a definite scoring event for Tyrion. Alternatively, you could introduce an interval and say, the convincing argument must not be falsified within the same scene/episode/5minutes/whatever. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 30
I suppose it can count simply for an agreement on the surface level - she tells Team Targaryen what they wanted to hear, which she wasn't even willing to do prior to Tyrion's talk. There can be various shades of grey for not following through on a deal or even actively undermining it. -nyan

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40:01 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

After a private meeting with Tyrion, Cersei agrees to a truce with the Targaryen and Northern forces so that they may collectively combat the White Walker threat, completing the deal brokered by Tyrion, Jaime, and Bronn's secret meeting. (Deals Brokered)

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40:01 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

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45:47 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon convinces Daenerys to sail with him to the North, rather than flying on her own.

"It's your decision, Your Grace. But if we're going to be allies in this war, it's important for the Northerners to see us as allies. If we sail to White Harbor together, I think it sends a better message." (Convincing Argument)

55:58 (+3) Sansa Stark:

"You stand accused of murder. You stand accused of treason. How do you answer these charges... Lord Baelish?" (Act of Betrayal)

Why didn't Sansa get the points for Littlefinger getting executed? Arya says that it happened because of Sansa's order. -fatcatt316

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2017 Aug 29
Only 3 points to Sansa for orchestrating LF's execution? Is this not, at least, a "major decision?" -marr.virginia

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2017 Aug 29
@fatcatt316 the Kills scoring for S7 requires that "he who passes the sentence should swing the sword", so the ordered executions no longer count, only the person doing the actual dirty work.

@marr.virginia the major decision is for characters having debates and one character winning over the other. I don't think the Stark kids debated over this one very much. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29
OK rules are rules. "He who passes the sentence should swing the sword" isn't the most clear justification for the rules, though. Arya did not pass the sentence. Conversely, Daenerys never swings the sword. Even though she has dragons(!), I don't remember her ever "doing the actual dirty work." -marr.virginia

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2017 Aug 29
Danys special is that her dragons contribute to her actions. If that wasnt her special she wouldnt get points -hindsight44

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57:44 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran reveals his knowledge of Littlefinger's actions in King's Landing.

Sansa Stark: "Do you deny it?"
Petyr Baelish: "I deny it! None of you were there to see what happened. None of you knows the truth."
Bran: "You held a knife to his throat. You said, 'I did warn you not the trust me.'" (Secret Discovery)

62:06 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei declares that the Lannister armies will not be sent north to help fight the White Walkers, over Jaime's protests.

"The monsters are real. The White Walkers, the dragons, the Dothraki screamers all the frightening stories we heard when we were young, they're all real. So be it. Let the monsters kill each other. And while they battle in the North, we take back the lands that belong to us." (Executive Decision)

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62:50 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei figures that Daenerys has lost one of her dragons and has only two left.

Cersei: "How many dragons did you see at the pit?"
Jaime: "Two."
Cersei: "What happened to the third?
Jaime: "For all we know, it's guarding her fleet!"
Cersei: "She came here with her dragons and her Dothraki and her Unsullied. She came here to show us all her power. No, something happened. The dragons are vulnerable." (Secret Discovery)

63:59 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei has bought the services of the mercenary Golden Company. "Highgarden bought us the most powerful army in Essos the Golden Company. 20,000 men, horses, elephants, I believe." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

64:12 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei reneges on her promise to send her armies to fight the Army of the Dead in the north, threatening Jaime with treason for disobeying.

Jaime: "I pledged to ride north. I intend to honor that pledge."
Cersei: "And that will be treason."
Jaime: "Treason?"
Cersei: "Disobeying your queen's command, fighting with her enemies. What would you call it?"
Jaime: "Doesn't matter what I'd call it." (Act of Betrayal)

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I have the executive decision to Jaime, since he's going to lead the armies north against her wishes. Cersei lost out politically when he called her bluff. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29
Jaime isnt leadong her armies though, it was pretty clear he defected, he wasnt in any Lannister armor and was riding by himself. The reason he left was because Cersei overruled him. Also i think Cersei has to somehow, someway get betrayal points somewhere for this episode. She played everyone! -hindsight44

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2017 Aug 29 nyan, emilien.raggi, Lem Lemoncake like this
Ooh, I'll have to rewatch and do some reading, but I think you're right since it's just Jaime trotting out alone. This could definitely count for Cersei then. -nyan

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2017 Aug 29 emilien.raggi likes this
Had the same impression as hindsight44. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 30
But would probably only count it as a betrayal - which in some way very often obviously is an executive decision. -Lem Lemoncake

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69:44 (+3) Bran Stark:

At Sam Tarly's prompting, Bran wargs into the past to witness the secret wedding ceremony between Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, confirming Jon Snow's trueborn lineage and rightful claim to the Iron Throne. (Secret Discovery)

78:57 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

Riding in on the newly risen wight-dragon Viserion, the Night King blasts the Wall at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea with blue flame, destroying the castle and sending the Wall crashing down. (Victorious Battle)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

5:04 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Bronn and Jaime discuss the Unsullied army standing outside the gates of King's Landing.

Bronn: "Men without cocks. You wouldn't find me fighting in an army if I had no cock. What's left to fight for?"
Jaime: "Gold?"
Bronn: "I spent my life around soldiers. What do you think they spend that gold on?"
Jaime: "Family."
Bronn: "Not without a cock, you don't."
Jaime: "Maybe it really is all cocks in the end" (Funny Line)

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7:44 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

briefing Gregor Clegane in Jaime's presence: "If anything goes wrong, kill the silver-haired bitch first, then our brother, then the bastard who calls himself King. The rest of them you can kill in any order you see fit." (Threat)

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13:55 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Sandor Clegane: "Am I going to die in this shit city?"
Tyrion Lanniser: "You might."
Sandor: "And this is all your idea. Seems every bad idea has some Lannister cunt behind it."
Tyrion: "And some Clegane cunt to help them see it through." (Witty Insult)

19:45 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jon Snow: "Lord Tyrion tells me a million people live in this city. They're about to become a million more soldiers in the Army of the Dead."
Cersei: "I imagine for most of them it would be an improvement." (Comeback)

27:06 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

after Jon Snow rejects her offer of truce: "Then there is nothing left to discuss. The dead will come north first. Enjoy dealing with them. We will deal with whatever is left of you." (Threat)

28:21 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Jon Snow: "I'm pleased you bent the knee to our Queen. I would have advised it, had you asked. But have you ever considered learning how to lie every now and then? Just a bit?!?" (Witty Insult)

28:49 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Jon: "Talk about my father if you want, tell me that's the attitude that got him killed. But when enough people make false promises, words stop meaning anything. Then there are no more answers, only better and better lies. And lies won't help us in this fight."
Tyrion: "That is indeed a problem. The more immediate problem is that we're fucked." (Funny Line)

29:23 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Jon Snow: "I did this. I should go."
Tyrion: "She'll definitely murder you." (Funny Line)

32:02 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Cersei: "I shouldn't be surprised, I suppose. She's your kind of woman: a foreign whore who doesn't know her place."
Tyrion: "A foreign whore you can't abduct, beat, or intimidate. That must be difficult for you." (Witty Insult)

56:26 (+3) Arya Stark:

Sansa Stark: "You stand accused of murder. You stand accused of treason. How do you answer these charges... Lord Baelish?"
Petyr Baelish: "...?"
Arya: "My sister asked you a question." (Threat)

61:07 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei: "What are you doing?"
Jaime: "Preparing the expedition north."
Cersei: "Expedition north? I always knew you were the stupidest Lannister." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

34:26 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion pours himself a glass from Cersei's own wine stash after he survives his feigned plea that Cersei should have Gregor Clegane execute him. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

35:24 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

After serving a refill of wine to Cersei, Tyrion pours another for himself and drinks. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

61:12 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys invites Jon Snow into her room so that he can properly bend the knee. (Act of Intercourse)

One boob. http://i.imgur.com/Q4NnVAU.jpg -nyan

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2017 Aug 29
Shouldn't we teeeeechnically get incest points? maybe? -williamfmarr

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2017 Aug 29
Only Cersei and Jaime get those for their special ability :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Aug 29 jedjackoway likes this
I think it may be fun to make that a general scoring booster for the sex category. And just +1 (+5) rather than the doubling. If we can think of one more additional couple that might incest, I'll add it for S8 and the rewatches. -nyan

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2017 Sep 1 jake.kmiech likes this
And so it begins.

Quick question. The new rule which says direct contact with certain body parts including the breasts and buttoz will receive points for intercourse.

Would this include a simple pat on the butt? -hindsight44

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2019 Feb 3
Oh man it's been a year and a half, I can't wait to get back into these debate. ?

By the letter of the ruling, a pat on the butt counts. But I do agree it's a bit PG. I'd be inclined to add in an "... except butts" exception to that line. -nyan

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61:12 (+10) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow's ignites his latent Targaryen instincts to incest with his aunt Daenerys aboard her ship as they sail for White Harbor. (Act of Intercourse)

Special

69:44 (+3) Bran Stark:

At Sam Tarly's prompting, Bran wargs into the past to witness the secret wedding ceremony between Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. (Special)

74:26 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran wargs by the weirwood tree, controlling a flock of ravens flying over Eastwatch-by-the-Sea. (Special)

The Feels

34:54 (+0) Tyrion Lannister:

After an intense conversation spilling out all of Tyrion's wrongs to their family, Cersei decides not to execute her brother after all this time. Relieved, Tyrion downs a glass of wine, and pours another for Cersei, reuniting them with the only familial bond more powerful than her incestual love for Jaime - alcoholism. (Warm Fuzzy Moment)

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