Results for Episode 2: The House of Black and White

Stat Leaders

Total	Points
Arya Stark	20
Jon Snow	19
Podrick Payne	17
Daenerys Targaryen	16
Daario Naharis	11

Kills	Points
Daario Naharis	11
Daenerys Targaryen	10
Brienne of Tarth	6
Arya Stark	2
Mossador	2

Political Wins	Points
Jon Snow	9
Daenerys Targaryen	6
Cersei Lannister	3
Jaime Lannister	3
Podrick Payne	3

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines	Points
Tyrion Lannister	6
Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger)	6
Ellaria Sand	6
Doran Martell	6
Arya Stark	3

Glasses of Wine Consumed	Points
Jon Snow	10
Sansa Stark	5
Tyrion Lannister	5
Podrick Payne	5
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Deaths	Points
Mossador	5
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Special	Points
Arya Stark	15
Podrick Payne	6
Cersei Lannister	3
Jaime Lannister	3
Samwell Tarly	3

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Episode 2: The House of Black and White

Kills

11:28 (+2) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne slices one of Littlefinger's men as she and Podrick escape the inn. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

13:27 (+4) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne saves Podrick and kills two of Littlefinger's men on horseback, shattering the sword of the second soldier and stabbing him through the throat with her Valyrian sword, Oathkeeper. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

23:36 (+1) Daario Naharis :

Daario stabs a member of the Sons of the Harpy, who was concealed behind the wall of a hideout. (Major Injury of Unnamed Character)

44:07 (+2) Arya Stark:

Arya kills a pigeon on the streets of Braavos. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

46:40 (+2) Mossador:

Mossador takes the law into his own hands, murdering the Son of the Harpy before his trial. "For you, Mhysa. You wanted the Harpy dead, but your hands were tied. I set you free, as you did all of us." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:07 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys orders Mossador to be publicly executed in front of the Masters and former slaves of Meereen, for his murder of the captive Son of the Harpy. (Kill of Named Character)

Why does this not count as Kills Commanded? -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 21 moonbaseu92 and wpearsal like this
I agree, this should be under Kills commanded -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 22
Sorry, the site is a bit confusing there. Kills Commanded is actually a deprecated category - we had it for the S4 game but it's been folded into regular Kills for S5 (it just didn't happen often enough to be its own Roto category). I'll be working on a fix that more permanently removes the category. -nyan

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2015 Apr 23 alicehanners likes this

51:07 (+10) Daario Naharis :

Daario beheads Mossador with his arakh in a public execution. Mossador was sentenced to death on Daenerys' orders, after he murdered the captive Son of the Harpy. (Kill of Named Character)

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If you have a low scoring team week in and week out, I don't think you should be able to move up in the rankings, right? You should have to have players that score points to move up. Roto scoring will keep it closer than raw scoring because the total points you can get for each category is limited by how many teams are in your league, but you still have to have points to move up in the standings. You're best bet might be head-to-head scoring if you want something to matter from week to week, but that also has its limitations because some characters can disappear for several episodes (i.e. Roose, Theon, and Ramsay so far) -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 21 moonbaseu92 and nyan like this
wpearsal, it wouldn't be about moving up in the rankings if you have a low-scoring team. It would mean moving up in the rankings--just a BIT--if your team is the ONLY one scoring. Imagine if your team sucks through episodes 1-5 and then in episode 6, you score 5x what anyone else does in every category. Yet it barely makes a dent in raw stats and doesn't affect you at all in roto. I'm not saying you should win, but "winning" an episode should matter. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 23
Clarifying a bit on Roto scoring - Roto Points *always* represent the current state for the season so far, NOT the current episode. So huge performances *will* be able to dramatically shift the standings, similar to normal Direct Points (but unlike the H2H leagues).

So alicehanners in your scenario:
TeamsA/B/C (3 teams) all score 3-5 kills per episode, from Episodes 1-8.
TeamD scores 1 kill per episode from E1-8, and is last place in the category so far.

At the end of E8, TeamA/B/C will have 4, 3, and 2 Roto pts for Kills. TeamD will have 1 Roto pt.

Then TeamD has a HUGE Episode 9 where they score 100+ Kills, enough to put them in 1st place overall for the season. They will jump 3 spots in the category ranking, and at the end of E9 TeamD has 4 Roto pts for Kills, A/B/C have 3, 2, and 1 pts.

Say E10 is a quiet episode and everyone has 1-2 kills, not enough to change the standings. In that case, TeamD remains in the lead for Kills, and ends the season with 4 Roto pts and wins the league (if Kills are the only category).

So for "it barely makes a dent in raw stats and doesn't affect you at all in roto", I think the opposite is actually true. A big episode can mean a huge standings shift in Roto and Normal Direct-scoring leagues. H2H is where it would be impossible to make a big standings shift (a win is still just 1 win, regardless of whether you win 18-15 or 88-15). -nyan

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2015 Apr 23 moonbaseu92 likes this

Political Wins

7:54 (+3) Podrick Payne:

Podrick discovers Sansa in disguise with Petyr Baelish. "My Lady (Brienne)... Sansa Stark. Don't look! ... She's dyed her hair, but it's her." (Politics - uncategorized)

19:20 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime coerces Bronn into his service, marrying off the noblewoman he is betrothed to, Lollys Stokeworth, to another knight, stripping Bronn of his opportunity for a noble title and lands. "Because you're going to come with me and help me with something important. And when we return... I'm going to give you a much better girl, and a much better castle." (Politics - uncategorized)

24:10 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daario captures a member of the Sons of the Harpy, who becomes Daenerys' prisoner. (Politics - uncategorized)

25:41 (+3) Barristan Selmy:

Barristan convinces Daenerys to give the Son of the Harpy a fair trial instead of executing him immediately. "Your Grace... I served in [Mad King Aerys'] Kingsguard. I was at his side from the first. Your enemies did not lie." (Politics - uncategorized)

30:43 (+3) Mace Tyrell:

Cersei appoints Mace Tyrell to Master of Coin. (Politics - uncategorized)

Does Cersei get any political win credit for making these appointments for Mace and Qyburn and getting away with it as the Queen mother? -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 21 moonbaseu92 likes this
Yeah, this is a fair point for the "executive decision" politics category - she does overrule Pycelle in appointing Qyburn (and Kevan Lannister protests in general). I'll add them in. -nyan

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2015 Apr 21
Also, how does the "house words" scoring work for political wins? Anytime someone says "Winter is coming," do all of the presumed living Starks get points? I'm not sure if someone has said that yet, but I feel like maybe it has been uttered at least once so far? -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 21
The scoring gives points to a character for uttering their own House Words - so a Stark for saying "Winter is Coming", a Baratheon for saying "Ours is the Fury". -nyan

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2015 Apr 21

31:11 (+3) Qyburn:

Cersei names Qyburn the new Master of Whispers, replacing Varys. (Politics - uncategorized)

31:17 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei stacks the Small Council in her favor, appointing the loyal Mace Tyrell as Master of Coin and Qyburn as Master of Whisperers, over the protests of Grand Maester Pycelle and Kevan Lannister.
Grand Maester Pycelle: "Your Grace... him? This- this man (Qyburn)? This... embarrassment to the Citadel? ... what qualifications can he possibly have for this post?"
Cersei: "The qualification of loyalty, Grand Maester. That's far more than the eunuch ever had." (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

40:56 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam stumps for Jon Snow as a candidate for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, convincing many in the room. "He may be young, but he's the commander we turned to when the night was darkest." (Politics - uncategorized)

43:38 (+3) Jon Snow:

By the margin of a single vote, Jon Snow is reluctantly elected as the 998th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. (Politics - uncategorized)

Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)? -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 21 coconnor723 likes this
I don't think people get points for followers. Else Dany would have billions of points, Stannis a buttload, Tommen a ton, Doran a bunch, etc. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 24
Has there been a vote on this? I think the two explicit followers rule should count! -coconnor723

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2015 Apr 27

43:38 (+3) Maester Aemon:

Maester Aemon casts the deciding vote for Jon Snow in the Lord Commander election. (Politics - uncategorized)

43:41 (+6) Jon Snow:

Samwell Tarly and Maester Aemon cast their votes for Jon Snow in the Night's Watch election. Jon edges past Ser Alliser Thorne in the election and becomes their Lord Commander. (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Brought up by @moonbaseu92: "Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)?" -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
It's an excellent point, but a bit tricky to figure out where to limit the scope. I'd like to figure out the line and record this as a new precedent in the Rulebook.

The problem with awarding automatic followers when someone gains a new title is that it potentially has a limitless range. For example, when Tommen becomes King, did that automatically make *every* Lannister/Tyrell character in the Seven Kingdoms his follower?

I think a reasonable rule would be to require an explicit pledge or act of loyalty by the follower. So in Joffrey's case, he'd get the standard point just for receiving the title of King, but no automatic points for any of the hundreds of named subjects. However if a scene shows a character coming to King's Landing to pledge a *new* oath of fealty to King Joffrey (like he requested of Robb), that'd count as a follower.

Applied to this election, I think normally there'd be no new followers for Jon, even from those who enthusiastically support him like Samwell (same as how Tommen doesn't automatically get every Lannister/Tyrell as a follower). *However*, the Night's Watch is unique in that they carry out a democratic process, giving every member the agency to choose who they want to declare (vote) for. In this case, the votes casted are an explicit act for "I will follow Jon Snow if he wins the election", so the votes by Samwell and Maester Aemon are counted as new followers.

What does everyone else think of establishing this as the scoring rule for followers? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
Sounds good to me. The more points scored the better and it helps improve some characters that might not score as much. As you said, it just needs to be more black and white for the scorekeepers. -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 23

48:20 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys takes Mossador as her prisoner, after he murders the Son of the Harpy.
Daenerys: "Once, the Masters were the law-"
Mossador: "And now you are the law."
Daenerys: "The law is the law." (Politics - uncategorized)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

8:13 (+3) Podrick Payne:

Brienne: "Ready the horses."
Podrick: "We only have one horse." (Funny Line)

8:46 (+3) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

to Brienne, remarking on her new armor: "We've met, with Renly Baratheon... What did he say about you? He said, 'Your loyalty came free of charge.' Someone appears to have paid quite a bit for it since then." (Witty Insult)

10:16 (+3) Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger):

to Brienne: "This woman swore to protect Renly, she failed. She swore to protect your mother, she failed. Why would I want somebody with your history of failure guarding Lady Sansa?" (Witty Insult)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

16:01 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jaime: "I'm going to make this better.
Cersei: "You've never made anything better." (Witty Insult)

submitted by kas113 (approved!)

20:22 (+3) Ellaria Sand:

to Areo Hotah: "Remove yourself from my path or I'll take that long axe and I'll shove it up your..." (Threat)

20:42 (+3) Doran Martell:

Doran: "Oberyn was slain during a trial by combat. By law, that is no murder."
Ellaria: "Your brother-"
Doran: "You don't have to remind me. He was my brother long before he was anything to you." (Witty Insult)

20:58 (+3) Doran Martell:

Doran delivers a stern rebuke to the decision-making ability of Ellaria and his hot-headed subjects.
Doran: "You would have me go to war?"
Ellaria: "The whole country would have you go to war."
Doran: "Then we are lucky the whole country does not decide." (Witty Insult)

submitted by moonbaseu92 (approved!)

21:50 (+3) Ellaria Sand:

Doran: "...but we do not mutilate little girls for vengeance. Not here. Not while I rule."
Ellaria: "And how long will that be?" (Threat)

Areo Hotah's testing the blade with his finger doesn't count as a threat towards Ellaria because he didn't do it for her to see? -Lem Lemoncake

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2015 Apr 21 Reaper likes this
Generally only threatening lines are scored, not actions. Else every fighting scene with a threatening glare would get points as well. -nyan

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2015 Apr 23 Lem Lemoncake likes this
Good point :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2015 Apr 23

27:07 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion: "There's a bug."
Varys: "Yes, best be careful. You might accidentally consume some solid food." (Witty Insult)

27:30 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Varys: "Cersei has offered a lordship to the man who brings her your head."
Tyrion: "She ought to offer her cunt. Best part of her for the best part of me." (Witty Insult)

27:43 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Varys: "Are we really going to spend the entire road to Volantis talking about the futility of everything?"
Tyrion: "You're right, no point." (Funny Line)

32:33 (+3) Kevan Lannister:

to Cersei: "I do not recognize your authority to dictate what is and is not my concern. You are the Queen Mother. Nothing more." (Witty Insult)

33:16 (+3) Gilly:

Samwell: "Did you know that the youngest Lord Commander in history, Osric Stark, was elected at the age of 10?"
Gilly: "I know 'S' ..." (Funny Line)

40:42 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

"A wildling girl, a baby, and Lord Janos. I found him there (in the Castle Black pantry) after the battle was over, in a puddle of his own making." (Witty Insult)

44:36 (+3) Arya Stark:

Braavosi thief: "That's a nice little sword. Worth a hundred pigeons a sword like that."
Arya: "Nothing's worth anything to dead men." (Threat)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

7:38 (+5) Podrick Payne:

Podrick drinks a mug of ale while he and Brienne stop at an inn. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

8:25 (+5) Sansa Stark:

Sansa has a taste of ale while dining with Littlefinger at the inn. "Don't see what all the fuss is about. Why do men love it so much?" (Glass of Wine Consumed)

27:20 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks a glass of wine inside that fucking box. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

39:23 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks in the hall at Castle Black, as the election for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch begins. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

42:44 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks another cup while members of the Night's Watch cast their votes for Lord Commander. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Deaths

51:07 (+5) Mossador:

Mossador is beheaded in a public execution for murdering the captive Son of the Harpy. (Death)

+0 for Mance Rayder, +0 for White Rat

Special

5:37 (+15) Arya Stark:

Arya recites her hitlist five times while waiting outside the House of Black & White. "Cersei. Walder Frey. The Mountain. Meryn Trant." (Special)

12:07 (+3) Podrick Payne:

Podrick's fails to control his horse as it runs loose during the chase by Littlefinger's men. (Special)

13:01 (+3) Podrick Payne:

Podrick loses control of his horse again, after it rears onto its hind legs and throws Podrick into the river. (Special)

15:28 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Jaime talks to Cersei about Myrcella. "The world can't know she's our daughter." (Special)

15:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Cersei talks to Jaime about Myrcella. "Then don't call her your daughter. You've never been a father to her." (Special)

Cersei and Jamie both mention their bastard children twice?
-mmccor4140

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2015 Apr 23 wpearsal likes this
It's a little fuzzy - the bastardy mentions were grouped into the same conversation, but I can see a case for counting the lines as separate mentions. Other thoughts? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
Is there an historical precedent for it? I feel like Sam made multiple, similar jokes about Janos Slynt too, but wasn't sure if they should all count? -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 23

29:44 (+3) Qyburn:

Qyburn receives a severed dwarf's head from Cersei: "I will take the head, if you don't mind... it could prove useful to my work." (Special)

30:29 (+3) Mace Tyrell:

Mace Tyrell volunteers to serve as Hand of the King. "Your Grace, I would be willing to serve *provisionally* as the King's hand until he becomes full..." (Special)

33:12 (+3) Shireen Baratheon:

Shireen helps Gilly learn her letters, starting with the letter S. (Special)

33:16 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam mentions a factoid from his book on the history of Lord Commanders of the Night's Watch. "Did you know that the youngest Lord Commander in history, Osric Stark, was elected at the age of 10?" (Special)

45:16 (+3) Jaqen H'ghar:

Jaqen reveals himself to Arya, removing his disguise and inviting her into the House of Black and White. (Special)