Results for Episode 3: Oathbreaker

Stat Leaders

Total	Points
Jon Snow	57
Eddard Stark	20
Smalljon Umber	19
Ser Arthur Dayne	16
Tyrion Lannister	16

Kills	Points
Jon Snow	40
Eddard Stark	20
Ser Arthur Dayne	11
Smalljon Umber	10
Howland Reed	5

Political Wins	Points
Samwell Tarly	6
Qyburn	6
Varys	6
Ramsay Bolton	6
Kevan Lannister	3

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines	Points
Tyrion Lannister	6
Smalljon Umber	6
Arya Stark	3
Jaime Lannister	3
Jon Snow	3

Glasses of Wine Consumed	Points
Tyrion Lannister	10
Samwell Tarly	5
Ramsay Bolton	5
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Acts of Intercourse	Points
Jon Snow	5
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Deaths	Points
Rickon Stark	5
Alliser Thorne	5
Olly	5
Greatjon Umber	5
Bowen Marsh	5

Special	Points
Jon Snow	6
Arya Stark	3
Bran Stark	3
Cersei Lannister	3
Jaime Lannister	3

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

Kills

14:04 (+5) Ser Arthur Dayne:

Arthur Dayne stabs Howland Reed in the stomach. (Major Injury of Named Character)

all this technically happened in the past, so should it count for points? :P -skywalkerdude

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2016 May 10
Yes, any kill/death events happening in flashbacks count, as long as they haven't been shown on the show before. But if we were to have a flashback of Ned Stark's execution scene, no new kill/death points would be awarded. -nyan

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2016 May 10
But Howlan Reed doesn't die. In fact, he is the only other survivor of the Tower of Joy. We even see him get back up during the fight scene and stab him in the neck! He goes home to father Meera and Jojen. -klov3r

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2016 May 12
Just to note, this was marked as an injury score, not a full kill. -nyan

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14:10 (+2) Ser Gerold Hightower:

The Targaryen Kingsguard stabs through one of Ned Stark's bannermen during Bran's vision. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

14:17 (+10) Eddard Stark:

Ned stabs the Targaryen Kingsguard, Gerold Hightower, through the throat. (Kill of Named Character)

Isn't this unnamed? It seems shady to use book canon to infer a name. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 9 prognar and bookworm13457 like this
Thought this while watching also. Shouldn't Dayne get credit for named kills too as Neds companions are mentioned in the books? Hard to tell who is who in the fight though. -apayne270

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2016 May 9
Shouldn't it depend on if he was cast as Oswell Whent in the show or do names have to explicitly be said by characters in the show. This is probably something that should be made clear in the rules. -Reaper

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2016 May 9 jedjackoway likes this
Looks like a slight predicament here - Eddie Eyre (listed as Rowland Selwyn, and currently incorrectly renamed to Howland Reed) in fact plays Oswell Whent. Because players drafted him, we'll have to count the points.

Book-only names won't count, so none of Ned Stark's bannermen are counted as named.

There is slight precedent before for adding "major" characters who never had a spoken name, for example the three White Walkers we've been shown (Sam's kill, Jon's kill, and the thorny-headed king). This is a little fuzzy on which characters get this special treatment (in this case made easier by the fact that the char was draftable). -nyan

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457, jedjackoway, apayne270, moonbaseu92 like this
And it turns out he ends up credited as Gerold Hightower after all! That shows me for trying to gather casting info from the wiki a few hours after the episode premiere. -nyan

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2016 May 10

14:45 (+2) Ser Arthur Dayne:

Arthur slashes another of Ned Stark's bannermen across the neck. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

14:56 (+2) Ser Arthur Dayne:

Arthur Dayne cross-slices the throat of one of Ned Stark's bannermen with both swords. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

15:02 (+2) Ser Arthur Dayne:

Arthur Dayne stabs through the throat of another of Ned Stark's bannermen. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

16:02 (+5) Howland Reed:

An injured Howland comes to Ned's aid, stabbing Ser Arthur Dayne through the back of his neck. (Major Injury of Named Character)

16:20 (+10) Eddard Stark:

Ned finishes off the mortally-wounded Targaryen Kingsguard Arthur Dayne. (Kill of Named Character)

38:21 (+1) The Waif:

The Waif beats the crap out of Arya in the training montage. (Scene 1: storytime with whipping switch) (Minor Injury of Named Character)

38:29 (+1) The Waif:

The Waif beats the crap out of Arya in the training montage. (Scene 2: nighttime training with the staff) (Minor Injury of Named Character)

38:32 (+1) The Waif:

The Waif beats the crap out of Arya in the training montage. (Scene 3: daytime training with the staff) (Minor Injury of Named Character)

46:00 (+10) Smalljon Umber:

Smalljon Umber brings Ramsay the severed head of Rickon Stark's direwolf, Shaggydog, to prove his prisoner's identity. (Kill of Named Character)

49:19 (+40) Jon Snow:

Jon cuts the rope holding the gallows platform at Castle Black, executing Ser Alliser Thorne, Bowen Marsh, Othell Yarwyck, and Olly for their roles in the plot to assassinate him. (Kill of Named Character)

Wasting no time getting back to becoming a fantasy monster. This is like Le'Veon Bell coming back from his 2-game suspension - hopefully it ends better for Jon! -nyan

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2016 May 9 allyromanski, jedjackoway, nsimmonds, alandennis88, 5 others like this
I think that makes Ramsay Vontaze Burfict -moonbaseu92

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2016 May 9 nyan, jedjackoway, julian.aronowitz like this
Should killing a named character should count if that character wasn't draftable? Othell Yarwyck wasn't a draftable character, but he's not new or anything. -alicehanners

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2016 May 9
Yeah, I realized the oversight in never adding Yarwyck in, which I just did yesterday for the death points. Chars don't need to be draftable to be counted for the named kills (this happens a lot during the season). -nyan

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2016 May 9
You counted but forgot to mention Olly in the event -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 9
Thanks Lem, description updated! -nyan

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2016 May 9

Political Wins

10:55 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam convinces Gilly to go along with his plan to stay with his family in Horn Hill.
Gilly: "I know that, Sam. And he does too. You're the only one who ever has. If you think it's for the best... we trust you."
(Convincing Argument)

11:19 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Gilly acknowledges Sam's stepfather status to little Sam. Samwell proceeds to vomit from all the subsequent feels.
Samwell: "I'd feel better if you threw something at me and stormed off."
Gilly: "I'd never do that to the father of my son." (New Follower/Prisoner)

22:25 (+3) Varys:

Varys' investigations have exposed Vala, the Meereenese prostitute who lured the Unsullied to her brothel so that the Sons of the Harpy could murder them.
"I know who you are and what you've done. You've done a lot. You've sacrificed your body for a cause, which is more than most people do. And you've helped the Sons of the Harpy murder the Unsullied and the Second Sons." (Secret Discovery)

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27:55 (+3) Varys:

Varys has discovered the source of the rebellion's funding after coercing the prostitute Vala.
"Sorry.. I was busy, learning who funds the Sons of the Harpy. Some things you can't rush... The Good Masters of Astapor, and the Wise Masters of Yunkai, with help from their friends in Volantis." (Secret Discovery)

27:55 (+3) Vala:

Valla sells out the Sons of the Harpy, taking Varys' offer to escape Meereen and a large bag of silver. (Act of Betrayal)

29:05 (+3) Qyburn:

Qyburn gains the loyalty of Varys' old spy network of little birds. They turn out to be beggar children from the streets of King's Landing, one of whom is named Arthur..
Qyburn: "Your eye looks much better, Arthur. How's your mother's jaw?"
Arthur: "Better."
Qyburn: "And your father?"
Arthur: "No one's seen him."
Qyburn: "And no one will. That worked out rather nicely." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Thanks for the catch @nsimmonds, I definitely missed Arthur's name. -nyan

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2016 May 12
Phew, this seems like a lot of points - and I do have Qyburn on my team :o
I found the argument with the army quite convincing.. Dany would have needed to get points for each Unsullied then, right? Furthermore: Are Varys' birds already Qyburn's followers? They don't seem entirely convinced they can trust him. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 12
oops, you caught it in-between the edit process. This is set to just 1pt (x3) for the single named follower (Arthur). -nyan

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2016 May 12 Lem Lemoncake likes this

29:21 (+3) Qyburn:

Qyburn tracks down and recruits Varys' "little birds" of King's Landing. (Secret Discovery)

33:21 (+3) Kevan Lannister:

Kevan Lannister rebuffs Cersei's attempt to force her way into the Small Council discussions, by simply ordering the meeting to be moved.
Jaime Lannister: "We've got a lot to discuss. All of us together."
Cersei Lannister: "And seeing as you cannot make us leave, we best get on with it."
Kevan Lannister: "No, we cannot make you leave. And you cannot make us stay." (Executive Decision)

37:21 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces Tommen Baratheon to stand down his demands for his mother's entry into the Sept to see Myrcella.
High Sparrow: "A true leader avails himself of the wisest counsel he can. And no one is wiser than the Gods."
Tommen: "My grandfather once said something similar. Except for the part about the Gods."
High Sparrow: "The Gods worked through him whether he knew it or not. As they work through your mother. There's so much good in all of us. The best we can do is to help each other bring it out." (Convincing Argument)

45:30 (+6) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay takes Osha and Rickon Stark as prisoners, after they are turned over to him by Smalljon Umber. (New Follower/Prisoner)

45:30 (+3) Smalljon Umber:

Smalljon Umber betrays Rickon Stark and Osha, who his house has been hiding as fugitives, turning them over to Ramsay Bolton. (Act of Betrayal)

46:38 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow reclaims Longclaw from his desk, after its ownership briefly transferred to Davos Seaworth during his death. (New Weapon)

50:22 (+3) Eddison Tollett:

Jon Snow turns over the Lord Commandership of the Night's Watch to Edd.
Edd: "What do you want me to do with this?"
Jon Snow: Wear it. Burn it. Whatever you want. You have Castle Black. My watch is ended." (New Title)

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I don't think that Jon can make Edd Lord Commander just like that. We've all seen that it needed some kind of election procedure for Jon to get the title. What he did was simply to temporarily give Edd command over Castle Black. Like what captains in Star Trek do when they leave the bridge. I don't remember if that happened before in the series, but in the books commanding power on the Wall and in Castle Black get passed around a few times, when commanding officers have to leave their post.

Or is that cape some token of Lord Commandership? Still, I think Edd would have to be voted, right?

However, even if my argumentation is correct, Edd would still get the points :) -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 9 jedjackoway likes this
Yeah, I think your interpretation is spot on @Lem. Edd is an acting or interim Lord Commander, which will count as a title even if someone else might get elected permanently later. -nyan

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2016 May 9
I actually interpreted this scene as a large middle finger to the whole night's watch ideal... Jon was incredibly shaken by being killed for doing 'the right thing' as he puts it, and this event comes just after killing 3 men and the boy olly. Any past enthusiasm for the watch is now switched to retaking Winterfell IMO. -rynearson.david

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2016 May 9 nyan likes this

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

6:43 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund: "The think you're some kind of God, the man who returned from the dead."
Jon Snow: "I'm not a god."
Tormund: "I know that. I saw your pecker. What kind of God would have a pecker that small? (Witty Insult)

7:25 (+3) Jon Snow:

Edd: "Your eyes are still brown. Is that still you in there?"
Jon: "I think so. Hold off on burning my body for now."
(Funny Line)

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7:26 (+3) Eddison Tollett:

Edd: "Your eyes are still brown. Is that still you in there?"
Jon: "I think so. Hold off on burning my body for now."
Edd: "That's funny. You sure that's still you in there?" (Witty Insult)

8:26 (+3) Gilly:

Gilly: "Did I ever tell you that I thought the sea was called 'the see' because it was nothing but water as far as the eye could see?"
Sam: "I don't think so." (Funny Line)

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22:02 (+3) Varys:

to Unsullied guards while fanning himself: "I don't know how you stand in all that leather." (Funny Line)

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26:31 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion: "A wise man once said, a true history of the world is a history of great conversations in elegant rooms."
Missandei: "Who said this?"
Tyrion: "Me. Just now."
*awkward long pause*
Tyrion: "... alright, no conversations." (Funny Line)

I don't think this was actually funny (it fell pretty flat to me) so I don't think Tyrion should receive any points for this! -Capnstoobie

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2016 May 9 danny136200 likes this
I disagree. It is the same level of humor as his other statements -skywalkerdude

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2016 May 10
Yeah, Tyrion hasn't been doing much else throughout the last season or any episode of this season than deliver semi-funny lines. Too bad his character has become somewhat one dimensional :/ -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 10 nyan likes this

27:27 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Greyworm and Missandei: "Alright no drinking, we can play without drinking. It's a wonderful game - I invented it. Here's how it works: I make a statement about your past; if I'm wrong, I drink. And if I'm right... maybe we can't play without drinking." (Funny Line)

30:35 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

to Qyburn: "Does he (Gregor Clegane) understand what we're saying? I mean, to the extent that he ever understood complete sentences in the first place." (Witty Insult)

31:55 (+3) Grand Maester Pycelle:

"And what he's done to Gregor Clegane, is an abomination. We never sanctioned this, this... experiment, and I for one think it is in our best interest to have this beast destr- *gas leak*" (Funny Line)

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Looking back at S5, this is the only one I can find for Camp 3: http://fantasora.com/event/1874

The Varys tsk and Pycelle fart are in a similar quality ballpark, IMO.

Maybe the line should be drawn for Camp 3 that it must be dialogue-based humor? Would qualify the S5 Jorah nod, Varys tsk, and Pycelle fart (which is ultimately funny because he just spent the preceding 5 lines ranting about "the abomination of Ser Gregor"), but would cut off purely action-based slapstick or situational humor. -nyan

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2016 May 11 nsimmonds likes this
Personally, I'm in camps 1 and 2. We're drafting characters, and not screenwriters, after all. -dopeghoti

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2016 May 13
We'll add this Pycelle fart in, and try for including Camp 3 with the "dialogue-based humor" restriction, meaning that the humor must at least be a reaction to, or set up by some spoken dialogue. -nyan

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2016 May 16

32:14 (+3) Olenna Redwyne (Grandma Tyrell):

Olenna: "I was invited, my dear, to help deal with several troublesome issues, such as the Queen's imprisonment."
Cersei: "Thank you for bringing it up. It's well past time we addressed the abuses I endured."
Olenna: "Margaery is the Queen. You are not the Queen, because you're not married to the king. I do appreciate these things can get a bit confusing in your family."
(Witty Insult)

40:15 (+3) Arya Stark:

Waif: "That's a short list. That can't be everyone you want to kill. Are you sure you're not forgetting someone?"
Arya: "Which name would you like a girl to speak?" (Threat)

Not sure this counts as a threat. Who's she threatening? It's hardly a threat any more than Joffrey was threatening every time he brandished a sword or aimed a crossbow at nothing. -alicehanners

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 and Lem Lemoncake like this
I think you're missing that it's implied she was threatening to speak their names. I watched this a few times and definitely got that hint. -klov3r

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2016 May 9 nyan, kodytwiford, jedjackoway like this
Oh lol, I never understood that as a threat.. but well, I expected that the Waif wanted her to name Arya Stark in order for her absurdly boring Jedi training to finally end. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 9
klov3r's interpretation is what I had in mind. Like a "Yours is on it too, but a girl supposedly has no name." There's also a marked shift in the reaction of the Waif after this line, as if she realizes that she's scared of being a target, and isn't so nameless after all. -nyan

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2016 May 9 jedjackoway likes this
Oh come on, that's the most ridiculous interpretation. She's SUPPOSED to say "Which name would you like a girl to speak?" because she's becoming and assassin. She's not threatening Waif. How on earth. -alicehanners

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2016 May 10 bookworm13457 likes this

43:17 (+3) Smalljon Umber:

Ramsay Bolton: "When my father became Warden of the North, your house refused to pledge their banners."
Smalljon Umber: "Your father was a cunt." (Witty Insult)

44:55 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Smalljon Umber: "Fuck kneeling, and fuck oaths. I've got a gift for you."
Ramsay: "A girl, I hope. I prefer redheads." (Funny Line)

45:22 (+3) Smalljon Umber:

to Ramsay Bolton and Harald Karstark: "And a boy, nice and young. The way Karstark likes 'em." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

9:05 (+5) Samwell Tarly:

After vomiting from his sea-sickness, Sam drinks from a wineskin of fermented pepto-bismol given to him by Gilly. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Clarifying the rule for newer players - we had some debates previously on how to determine when a drink is alcoholic/non-alcoholic. That debate was inconclusive on where the line should be drawn (even if events like this may be "obvious"). So we went with implementing the easiest and most entertaining black & white rule: EVERY drink is counted as alcoholic, unless explicitly shown not to be (e.g. S2E9 Hound "fuck the water, bring me wine") -nyan

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
this rule was dumb last year and its still dumb. -christopher.ryan36

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2016 May 9 nyan likes this
It doesn't seem dumb to me. Why do you say that? -10100100101

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2016 May 9
The brief respite of drinking _anything_ is rare enough in Westeros as it is. -dopeghoti

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2016 May 9 nyan likes this

26:06 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks while making smalltalk with Greyworm and Missandei before the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

27:08 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks from his refill as he, Grey Worm, and Missandei continue to wait for Varys at the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

43:07 (+5) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay drinks while hearing a proposal from Smalljon Umber (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

2:24 (+5) Jon Snow:

Glorious Kit Harrington butt shot as the resurrected Jon Snow sits up from the table. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

Deaths

14:19 (+5) Ser Gerold Hightower:

The Targaryen Kingsguard dies after being stabbed through the throat by Ned Stark. (Death)

16:22 (+5) Ser Arthur Dayne:

Arthur Dayne is killed by Eddard Stark after being stabbed through the back of the neck by Howland Reed. (Death)

43:29 (+5) Greatjon Umber:

Smalljon Umber confirms the death of the Greatjon:
to Ramsay Bolton: "Your father was a cunt, and that's why you killed him. I might have done the same to my father if he hadn't have done me the favor of dying on his own." (Death)

46:00 (+5) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber brings Ramsay the severed head of Rickon Stark's direwolf, Shaggydog, to prove his prisoner's identity. (Death)

Does Rickon get +1 point per episode for dead Shaggydog going forward? I'm not sure how this works -apayne270

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2016 May 9 dopeghoti, julian.aronowitz, jedjackoway like this
Yes, Shaggydog gets scored just like regular characters except his points are given to Rickon. So if Rickon dies next episode, he'll be in a unique position to be receiving +2 post-episode death points thereafter. -nyan

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2016 May 9 apayne270 likes this
I'm not convinced this is actually Shaggydog. What if it turns out to be another direwolf later? -nsimmonds

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2016 May 9 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Lem Lemoncake, nyan like this
@nsimmonds this is my hunch as well... I'm expecting to have a big debate over this if it comes to pass, and unfortunately we don't have good precedents for what too do about it. There was a switcheroo for Theon's kill of the farmboys in S2, but that was during a rewatch so we knew it happened, and didn't grant the scores accordingly. -nyan

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2016 May 9
It makes no sense to fake Shaggydog but deliver the real Rickon. The only reason to fake Shaggydog would be if the whole thing is a ruse...if you're only going to fake half, clearly you fake Rickon and keep the real maybe-last-surviving-Stark safe. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
Pretty much we have to count the points here, the severed head is about as confirmed dead as you can get (else we second-guess every death on the show). The two options I can think of are:

1. Retroactively remove the points if the ruse is revealed later. Potentially upsets expectations if it changes scoring/wins from a long time ago (and what about season-spanning deception?)

2. Count the kills/death as they are apparently, and let the points stick. This allows for the same Characters to get multiple kill/death points, which was previously only allowed for very special cases (Jaqen H'ghar, Beric Dondarrion). Only exception is if the reveal happens in the same episode.

Leaning towards the second, as it's the easier way to keep consistent scoring (and not risk spoilers for late-watchers). -nyan

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2016 May 9

49:37 (+5) Alliser Thorne:

Ser Alliser is hanged for his role in the assassination of Jon Snow. (Death)

49:37 (+5) Olly:

Olly is hanged for his role in the assassination of Jon Snow. (Death)

49:37 (+5) Bowen Marsh:

Olly is hanged for his role in the assassination of Jon Snow. (Death)

49:37 (+5) Othell Yarwyck:

First Builder Yarwyck is hanged for his role in the assassination of Jon Snow. (Death)

+0 for Balon Greyjoy, +0 for Roose Bolton, +0 for Fat Walda Frey, +0 for Doran Martell, +0 for Trystane Martell, +0 for Areo Hotah

Special

12:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran visits a scene from the past, watching his father Eddard Stark and his bannermen face off against two Targaryen Kingsguard. (Special)

28:09 (+3) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm with the second episode in a row with a three-syllable word:
"We conquered Astapor and Yunkai once. We will do it again and *execute* the Masters." (Special)

32:28 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Olenna to Cersei: "Margaery is the Queen. You are not the Queen, because you're not married to the king. I do appreciate these things can get a bit confusing in your family."
(Special)

32:28 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Olenna to Cersei: "Margaery is the Queen. You are not the Queen, because you're not married to the king. I do appreciate these things can get a bit confusing in your family."
(Special)

33:53 (+3) Grand Maester Pycelle:

Pycelle takes several steps as he quickly shuffles past Gregor Clegane on his way out of the Small Council room. (Special)

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40:15 (+3) Arya Stark:

Waif: "Who else was on Arya Stark's funny little list?"
Arya: "Cersei Lannister. Gregor Clegane. Walder Frey." (Special)

43:46 (+3) Jon Snow:

Ramsay Bolton: "Why have you come to Winterfell, Lord Umber?"
Smalljon Umber: "The bastard Jon Snow led an army of Wildlings past the Wall." (Special)

44:23 (+3) Jon Snow:

Ramsay Bolton: "Pledge your banners to House Bolton. Swear loyalty to me as Warden of the North and we will fight together to destroy the bastard and all his Wildling friends." (Special)

48:07 (+3) Alliser Thorne:

to Jon Snow: "I fought, I lost. Now I rest. But you, Lord Snow, you'll be fighting their battles forever." (Special)