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50 roto pts (#4)
Z-Score: 0.062 (percentile: 52.45%)
Weeks at #1: 0
Categories won: Deaths (57)
Best Week: Episode 1: The Red Woman (+10.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Bran Stark (picked #4, 76 points, 34.23% of team total)

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Sex	Deaths	Special
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#4	76	19	15	0	0	15	27
High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	#24	45	5	24	6	0	10	0
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	#17	36	0	9	12	0	0	15
Khal Moro The leader of a new Khalasar of Dothraki.	#44	28	0	3	9	0	16	0
Osha A wildling woman who serves the Starks. She splits off from Bran's group and travels with Rickon.	#57	24	0	0	3	5	16	0
Obara Sand The eldest of Prince Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She wields a spear.	#37	13	10	3	0	0	0	0
Totals		222	34	54	30	5	57	42

Roster

charId	Character	Special
7	Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	* Bran introducing himself into a scene by creepily staring at people * Summer's actions contribute to his points * Scores points for each scene where he breaks out of his tree-trance and shows any of the following emotions: sadness (visible tears), happiness (audible laughter or smiles with teeth), fear (audible screams) * Scores points for each instance he uses his Warg ability
82	Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys controls a vast network of spies. After smuggling Tyrion Lannister to Essos, he reveals himself as a supporter of Daenerys Targaryen's claim to the Iron Throne. In Daenerys' absence, he serves with Tyrion Lannister and presides over the rule of Meereen.	* +1 politics point when he meets another character in secret * +1 point when someone references his being a eunuch to him * +1 point when he passes along information from his "little birds"
192	High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	1 politics point every time he (or Sparrows under his order) publicly out a named character for their sins
191	Obara Sand The eldest of Prince Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She wields a spear.	+1 for invoking the name of Oberyn Martell
225	Khal Moro The leader of a new Khalasar of Dothraki.	[Possible special to be determined after character appears]
11	Osha A wildling woman who serves the Starks. She splits off from Bran's group and travels with Rickon.

Kills

Episode 1: The Red Woman

28:42 (+10) Obara Sand:

Obara stabs Trystane through the face after he turns his back on her to face Nymeria Sand one-on-one. (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 5: The Door

49:26 (+2) Bran Stark:

Summer leaps onto the second wight just before it attacks Meera Reed. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:10 (+2) Bran Stark:

Summer dives into the crowd of wights as Bran and company make their escape out of the Three-Eyed Raven's cavern. He lands on one wight but is quickly cut down by the horde. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

I don't think we actually see Summer kill any wights. -tbaum9842

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2016 May 23 nyan and ddenault85 like this
:( :( :( -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 23
Shouldn't we get credit for Summer's death too? -jamesrscottjr81

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2016 May 23
Bar is set fairly low for fights with henchmen/redshirts. From the rulebook spec: "Pretty much any kind of strike on random extras is counted for a kill unless the extra is shown to be explicitly alive after. This is applied often for large battle scenes." -nyan

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2016 May 23
Summer's death counted here: http://fantasora.com/event/2461 -nyan

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2016 May 23

53:44 (+5) Bran Stark:

Bran mentally debilitates a young Wylas by warging into him, offering him a glimpse of his future demise at the Door. (Major Injury of Named Character)

55:15 (+10) Bran Stark:

While warged in, Bran forces Hodor to hold the Door against the horde of wights as he and Meera make their escape, sacrificing him in the process. (Kill of Named Character)

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@Lem Bran only half-consciously controlling the Hodors sounds like a good argument for excluding it as a betrayal. It's ambiguous even to what extent Bran is aware of how he is controlling things (both in past vision and real world), and thus it's hard to say he betrayed anyone in his subconscious (intent should matter for betrayals, else klutzy chars like Podrick would be "betraying" friends with their screwups all the time). -nyan

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2016 May 26
Really good perspectives you both brought up about the kills. I think bookworm is right that we should try to exclude intent - can of worms as you say, and accidental kills should definitely be possible.

Thinking through this, it does feel like there should be some criteria that allows for putting someone into a situation where they'll definitely be killed. Scar flinging Mufasa down to the stampeding buffalo in Long King comes to mind - no control over the actual killers there, but the death doesn't happen without Scar's direct action. From a pedantic perspective this could apply to Balon's death as well - even if it's the ocean that drowned him, it was Euron's throw that put him into that situation (and scorekeeping is all about pedantry =P).

I think we can expand on kills commanded here and ultimately include those under a subset of "inevitable death situation" rules:
I. The killer forces the victim into the situation against their will
II. The situation leads to *inevitable* death
II.I. The entity or force that directly kills the victim needs no skill or decision-making to make the kill, aside from following the commands of the killer.
III. The directly killer still gets rewarded duplicate kill points, if applicable.

What that means for the scenarios we've talked about:
1. Executions like Ned's and Fat Walda's (previously covered by Commanded Kills) are included, since the victims are imprisoned (forced into situation), and could do nothing to avoid death (inevitable). This should be the same whether it was a human killer (Ilyn Payne), controlled animals (Ramsay's hounds), as neither needed skill or decision-making (aside from following commands).

2. Scar throwing Mufasa into a canyon of stampeding buffalo is also included. Even without directly controlling the physical killers, the inevitability and lack of skill/decision-making is the same. Imagine if Ramsay throws Fat Walda into a pit of snakes instead.

3. Pushing the victim into a sword held by someone else would be a more nuanced case. As mentioned above, we don't want to get into judging the intent of the indirect killer here:

3a. The victim is shoved toward the sword-holder, who happens to have his sword positioned in a way that impales the victim. Included for the person-pusher, as no skill/decision or even actions were taken by the sword-holder. This would be the same as if the sword-holder was instead a jagged rock.

3b. The victim is shoved in the direction of the sword-holder, who must aim and position his weapon precisely to impale the victim. This would be excluded for the person-pusher, as it required skill/decision-making on the part of the sword-holder.

4. Most "noble suicides" are excluded by criteria I, because the victim willingly put themselves in it (still counted if they are physically killed by their own action, like Leaf's hand grenade).

5. In all above scenarios, the direct killer (Ilyn, Ramsay's hound, sword-holder) still gets credit. -nyan

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2016 May 26 dopeghoti likes this
I think that's definitely a fair way to approach it -bookworm13457

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2016 May 26

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

9:05 (+5) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow orders the seven-pointed star to be carved into Loras Tyrell's forehead after his confessions, as a symbol of his sins and newfound faith in the Seven.
Margaery Tyrell: "You mutilated him. You gave me your word." (Major Injury of Named Character)

How is this a kill? -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
Shouldn't Lancel or the Sparrow cutting get the points? -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
That requires some skill -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
These are major injury points, since the disfigurement is permanent. Lancel gets credit for the same (right below this one). Lancel's is the direct action, and the High Sparrow is the commanded one (since Lancel is a prisoner and willingly submits, it's regarded as "unskilled"). -nyan

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2016 Jun 28

Political Wins

Episode 1: The Red Woman

28:07 (+3) Obara Sand:

Obara and Nymeria arrive on the Dornish ship to assassinate Trystane.
Obara: "We're not here to feed you. We're here to kill you."
Nymeria: "You want her to do it? Or me? (Act of Betrayal)

37:00 (+3) Khal Moro:

Daenerys is presented as a prisoner to Khal Moro after she is captured by his Dothraki horde. "For you, my Khal. The white-haired girl we found in the hills." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 2: Home

5:31 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers Hodor's real name - Willas - and that he used to be able to talk while going back to the future with the Three-Eyed Raven. (Secret Discovery)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

22:25 (+3) Varys:

Varys' investigations have exposed Vala, the Meereenese prostitute who lured the Unsullied to her brothel so that the Sons of the Harpy could murder them.
"I know who you are and what you've done. You've done a lot. You've sacrificed your body for a cause, which is more than most people do. And you've helped the Sons of the Harpy murder the Unsullied and the Second Sons." (Secret Discovery)

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27:55 (+3) Varys:

Varys has discovered the source of the rebellion's funding after coercing the prostitute Vala.
"Sorry.. I was busy, learning who funds the Sons of the Harpy. Some things you can't rush... The Good Masters of Astapor, and the Wise Masters of Yunkai, with help from their friends in Volantis." (Secret Discovery)

37:21 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces Tommen Baratheon to stand down his demands for his mother's entry into the Sept to see Myrcella.
High Sparrow: "A true leader avails himself of the wisest counsel he can. And no one is wiser than the Gods."
Tommen: "My grandfather once said something similar. Except for the part about the Gods."
High Sparrow: "The Gods worked through him whether he knew it or not. As they work through your mother. There's so much good in all of us. The best we can do is to help each other bring it out." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 5: The Door

17:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers the origins of the White Walkers - created by the Children of the Forest - during a warg visit to the past.
Bran: "It was you. You made the White Walkers."
Leaf: "We were at war. We were being slaughtered. Our sacred trees cut down. We needed to defend ourselves." (Secret Discovery)

45:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran's status as the Three Eyed Raven is confirmed by Benjen: "You are the Three-Eyed Raven now." (New Title)

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53:44 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers the origin of Hodor's name and condition during a visit to Winterfell's past where he wargs into a young Wylas and gives him a vision of his ultimate demise years in the future at the Door. (Secret Discovery)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

10:24 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces King Tommen to allow Margaery to proceed with her Walk of Atonement.
Tommen: "Is there no other way? ... It just seems very dangerous."
High Sparrow: "She'll be protected the entire way. The Faith Militant are very stern with those who overstep their bounds." (Convincing Argument)

30:28 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow announces Margaery's crimes to the masses gathered at the Sept of Baelor. "Rich or poor, noble or common, if we sin, we must atone. Margaery of House Tyrell came to us a sinner. She stood before the gods in the holy sept and lied. She turned a blind eye to her brother's sins. She disgraced her house, her King, and herself." (Politics Special)

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What about everytime he deescalates a confrontation? He's done that basically every episode. -julian.aronowitz

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2016 Jun 1
Proposition for new Sparrow special, using others who have multiple triggers as a template:
+1 each time the High Sparrow publicly outs a draftable character's sins or crimes
+1 each time he deescalates an impending violent conflict
+1 each time he makes specific reference to his past as a cobbler, or his current barefootedness. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 1 as38, julian.aronowitz, Ser Vincent, nyan like this
I think it's definitely good to count this even if he has already publicly outed Margaery as a sinner. It's exactely this obnoxious way of using every situation to make every last person aware of the sinner that is his speciality. It's like Daenerys repeating her titles over and over again and I'm sure there are more examples.
I assume the repetition came up here because of the question if kills that have already been shown should count if they reappear in Bran's visions? There I would disagree, but to me these are two entirely different things. It might help to step out of the scoring framework for an instant and think about how you experience these different acts while watching the episodes (without having the fantasy league in mind :D).

Maybe, it might also help to think in terms of plot and story. A kill happens once in the story, but the plot may deliver information about that at another time within the narrative - or even multiple times. The High Sparrow's multiple announcements do actually happen that often. Furthermore, it's not about revealing a secret, it's the act of denouncing he likes so much :)

At least that's my understanding of the way this game works, hah. Correct me if I'm wrong :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1

36:49 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow picks up an ownership stake in King's Landing after announcing a joint venture with Tommen Baratheon to make the Seven Kingdoms great again.
High Sparrow: "Together we announce a new age of harmony. A holy alliance between the Crown and the Faith."
Tommen: "The Crown and the Faith are the twin pillars upon which the world rests. Together we will restore the Seven Kingdoms to glory." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

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Definitely a huge coup for him this episode. Aside from getting Margaery/Tommen on his side, it was hard to pinpoint something concrete for this new "holy alliance", e.g. did he get promoted to a Pope Sparrow, or is he now effectively in control of King's Landing as you say (technically it should still be Tommen). -nyan

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2016 Jun 1
i think it is both tommen and the high sparrow in control of kings landing, the crown and the faith, tommen didnt lose kings landing he merely entered a joint venture with the high sparrow for shared control -as38

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2016 Jun 1 nyan likes this
Tommen didn't lose titular control over King's Landing (and indeed the Seven Kingdoms), but the High Sparrow is certainly going to take advantage of Tommen coming under his metaphorical wing. So to speak. Definitely a gain for the High Sparrow, but not a loss for Tommen per se. -dopeghoti

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36:52 (+6) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow announces the latest high-profile devotees to sign onto Team Sparrow, in a joint press conference with Tommen Baratheon and Margaery Tyrell.

"Queen Margaery has already atoned for her sins by bringing another into the true light of the Seven. Together we announce a new age of harmony. A holy alliance between the Crown and the Faith." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

8:37 (+3) High Sparrow:

Loras renounces his claims to House Tyrell and swears himself to the High Sparrow and the Faith of the Seven.
Loras Tyrell: "I will abandon the Tyrell name and all that goes with it. I will renounce my lordship and my claims on Highgarden. I will never marry and I will never father children."
High Sparrow: "Brother Loras, I ask you to dedicate your life to the Seven Gods. Will you fight to defend your faith against heretics and apostates?"
Loras Tyrell: "I will." (New Follower/Prisoner)

10:04 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow reneges on his agreement to release Loras Tyrell after his confessions (presumably unharmed).
Margaery Tyrell: "You mutilated him. You gave me your word."
High Sparrow: "And I have kept my word. Once the Queen Mother's trial is concluded, Brother Loras is free to leave." (Act of Betrayal)

57:13 (+3) Bran Stark:

Through a warg flashback, Bran discovers Jon Snow's true heritage as the son of Lyanna Stark. (Secret Discovery)

66:01 (+3) Varys:

Varys returns from his diplomatic mission to Dorne, apparently successful at recruiting House Tyrell and the Sand Snakes to support Daenerys and lend her use of their navies. (Convincing Argument)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: The Red Woman

29:48 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion to homeless mother: "For your baby. To eat." [makes stuffing motion into mouth]
Varys. "She thinks you want to eat her baby." (Funny Line)

38:15 (+3) Khal Moro:

Khal Moro: "Seeing a beautiful woman naked for the first time, what is better than that?"
Bloodrider 1: "Killing another Khal?"
Khal Moro: "Yes, killing another Khal."
Bloodrider 2: "Conquering a city and taking her people as slaves, and taking her idols back to Vaes Dothrak."
Bloodrider 1: "Breaking a wild horse, forcing it to submit to your will."
Khal Moro: "Seeing a beautiful woman naked for the first time is among the five best things in life." (Funny Line)

39:31 (+3) Khal Moro:

Khal Moro reorts to Daenerys rattling off her many titles after being taking prisoner: "You are nobody, the millionth of your name, Queen of Nothing, slave of Khal Moro." (Witty Insult)

Episode 2: Home

18:20 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Jaime Lannister, as his Sparrows circle in: "Every one of us is poor and powerless. And yet, together, we can overthrow an empire." (Threat)

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22:45 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion: "Dragons are intelligent ... They have affection for their friends and fury for their enemies. I am their friend."
Varys: "Do *they* know that?" (Funny Line)

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22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys shakes his head and tsks as Tyrion pours out a glass of wine during a meeting of the Meereenese advising council. (Funny Line)

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@Alice, what other funny faces do you think will need to be re-counted if this is enabled? And does the distinction that it comes with a line (even if it's just a small vocal tick from Varys) make it easier to enforce? -nyan

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2016 May 3
I only really want to rewatch both episodes for funny faces if you're seriously considering it, but I can think of several moments when people shrugged, raised their eyebrows, made a weird face, etc and it was funny but no words were spoken. -alicehanners

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2016 May 3
Adding it for now, but we'll see if it opens up a bad can of worms. The spirit of the category is to reward the really good moments written into the show that illicit a solid reaction from the viewer. Insults that make you go "ooh what a burn", threats that you make gulp in sympathy with the target, or funny lines that make you actually laugh. I don't doubt that we can find a handful of weird faces if we're looking really hard for them, but I don't think there are many that were good enough to spark an actual reaction from the audience, and this definitely seemed like one.

That said, everyone's laugh-meter is calibrated to a different level, so if facial expressions and small vocal ticks end up having a much higher variability of opinion vs the spoken lines, we'll revisit and maybe revoke this one. -nyan

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2016 May 4 michaelfield18 likes this

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

22:02 (+3) Varys:

to Unsullied guards while fanning himself: "I don't know how you stand in all that leather." (Funny Line)

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Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

43:47 (+3) Osha:

Ramsay: "Do you know who I am?"
Osha: "A lord."
Ramsay: "Yes. A lord. You've seen my banners?"
Osha: "The flayed man."
Ramsay: "Does that worry you at all?"
Osha: "You eat them after?"
Ramsay: "No."
Osha: "Then I've seen worse." (Witty Insult)

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53:47 (+3) Khal Moro:

to Daenerys: "All right. No Dosh Khaleen for you. Instead we'll take turns fucking you. And then we'll let our bloodriders fuck you. And if there's anything left of you, we'll give our horses a turn." (Threat)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

9:22 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Margaery: "The Queen of Thorns is a remarkable woman, a strong woman. And an unrepentant sinner. You must teach her the new one, as she taught you the old, or I fear for her safety, body and soul." (Threat)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

45:54 (+5) Osha:

Osha gets her hands in Ramsay's pants. "Same thing men always want. And when they really want it, they give it a bath first." (Act of Intercourse)

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We saw that Osha got farther than the slavers, comparing it to other events in this episode, at least. -cjcookart

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2016 May 17
@taylor Theon's torture scene is another good example. We actually never did a rewatch for S3 so it hasn't been scored, but it has similarities to this one, though it ends up a good deal more sexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLQxu9aHdc

The game and scoring should continue evolving better definitions, so don't automatically take the S2 points as evidence that this should also count for sex. Instead I would use it as a thought experiment - the two situations are very similar, so whichever way I feel about scoring one, should probably apply to the other. If I feel that they should be scored differently, what is the criteria that differentiates them?

I would also say that, while the on-screen intimacy shown here definitely feels more "deserving" than the Slavers' scene, the game still works as long as the rules are clear and consistent, e.g. if we decide on "full penetration" or "skin-on-skin contact of reproductive organs" as criteria. It can end up excluding a few worthy events, but also adds an extra element of detail to be on the lookout for. The intricacies of wine drinking and the refill mechanics are my personal favorite examples of precise scorekeeping that makes for a more fun fantasy-watching experience, compared to a more common-sense approach that eyeballs how many drinks were consumed. -nyan

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2016 May 17 cjcookart likes this
We'll go with "direct contact with reproductive organs", which this will count for. This verbage has been added to the rulebook. -nyan

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2016 May 18 bookworm13457 likes this

Deaths

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

46:30 (+10) Osha:

Osha bleeds out on the floor of Ramsay Bolton's quarters, after her failed attempt to assassinate him. (Death)

55:21 (+10) Khal Moro:

Khal Moro is burned alive inside the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen as Daenerys shoves the last torchstand at him. (Death)

Episode 5: The Door

51:13 (+10) Bran Stark:

Summer is cut down by a horde of wights in the Three-Eyed Raven's cavern as Bran, Meera, and Hodor make their escape. (Death)

+1 for Osha, +1 for Khal Moro

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood