Night's Watch

66.5 roto pts (#3)
Z-Score: 0.814 (percentile: 79.21%)
Weeks at #1: 0
Categories won:
Best Week: Episode 7: The Gift (+8.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Jon Snow (picked #32, 23 points, 42.59% of team total)

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and a member of the Night's Watch. He helped lead the defense of Castle Black against the Wildling siege.	#32	23	5	9	2	4	0	1	2
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker.	#35	15	0	3	6	1	1	0	4
Olly A boy working with the Night's Watch. His family's village was massacred in a Wildling attack led by Styr. He is skilled with a bow.	#101	4	1	3	0	0	0	0	0
Alliser Thorne Formerly the master-of-arms at Castle Black, Thorne now serves as acting Lord Commander of the Night's Watch in the absence of Lord Commander Mormont.	#10	4	0	3	1	0	0	0	0
Maester Aemon The Maester of the Night's Watch. In a previous life he was born Aemon Targaryen, a great-uncle of Daenerys.	#13	3	0	2	0	0	0	1	0
Gilly A daughter of Craster, a wildling who lived in a fortified compound north of the Wall. She and her baby escaped to Castle Black with Samwell Tarly.	#97	2	0	0	1	0	1	0	0
Janos Slynt A member of the Night's Watch. Slynt formerly served as Commander of the City Watch, before he was removed from the post and exiled by Tyrion Lannister.	#54	2	0	0	1	0	0	1	0
Eddison Tollett A member of the Night's Watch. Edd commanded some of the forces on the Wall in the Battle at Castle Black.	#57	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Derek A new recruit of the Night's Watch.	#111	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Denys Mallister A member of the Night's Watch and commander of the Shadow Tower, located the west end of the Wall.	#76	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brant A new recruit of the Night's Watch.	#110	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Bowen Marsh The First Steward of the Night's Watch.	#79	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		54	7	20	11	5	2	3	6

Roster

charId	Character	Special
43	Alliser Thorne Formerly the master-of-arms at Castle Black, Thorne now serves as acting Lord Commander of the Night's Watch in the absence of Lord Commander Mormont.	+1 point every time he address Jon Snow as "Lord Snow".
42	Maester Aemon The Maester of the Night's Watch. In a previous life he was born Aemon Targaryen, a great-uncle of Daenerys.	+1 point when he tells a story from his past +1 politics point when he overrules decisions by other members of the Night's Watch.
39	Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and a member of the Night's Watch. He helped lead the defense of Castle Black against the Wildling siege.	* +1 each time he unintentionally drops Longclaw * +1 point each time he is called a bastard in his presence * Ghost's actions contribute to his points.
40	Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker.	+1 point for reading books, mentioning he "read that in a book", or writing raven letters.
107	Janos Slynt A member of the Night's Watch. Slynt formerly served as Commander of the City Watch, before he was removed from the post and exiled by Tyrion Lannister.
45	Eddison Tollett A member of the Night's Watch. Edd commanded some of the forces on the Wall in the Battle at Castle Black.
193	Denys Mallister A member of the Night's Watch and commander of the Shadow Tower, located the west end of the Wall.
194	Bowen Marsh The First Steward of the Night's Watch.
68	Gilly A daughter of Craster, a wildling who lived in a fortified compound north of the Wall. She and her baby escaped to Castle Black with Samwell Tarly.	+1 each time she talks about something new she has learned
132	Olly A boy working with the Night's Watch. His family's village was massacred in a Wildling attack led by Styr. He is skilled with a bow.
207	Brant A new recruit of the Night's Watch.
208	Derek A new recruit of the Night's Watch.

Kills

Episode 1: The Wars to Come

52:44 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow gives Mance a mercy kill, shooting an arrow through his heart before he is consumed by a burning pyre. (Kill of Named Character)

8 more comments - see full thread

To explain more about the philosophy, one of the important parts of the scorekeeping is that it can objectively follow definitions, without requiring judgment calls on the part of some scorekeeper (which can be subjective). In this case, I agree with both of you that Stannis probably "deserves" some credit - without his actions, Mance wouldn't have been put in a position to be killed. But "put in a position to be killed" is a little murky to make a rule for - how do you draw the line? Is it really Melisandre that puts him in that position because she starts the fire burning?

Given that, I think it's better to stick to the scoring definitions, because there's no subjectivity to them. And sometimes it results in a "deserving" character losing points, but that's fantasy sometimes - just like a football RB who hauls his team to the goal line, only for the backup to sub in and score the 1yd touchdown. -nyan

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I agree with Nyan. Riddle me this: If someone (King A) commands his executioner (Brute) to kill the shopgirl (Lass), and Lass flees to Other Country where she is run over by a cart and dies, does King A get the point? Everyone's actions contribute. The point is, Mance was killed by Jon Snow. Jon Snow was NOT commanded to kill him by Stannis. Therefore, it's not a commanded kill. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 19
That's different because Mance didn't escape from the fire and run away while Jon shot at him to keep him from escaping. He was in the process of dying. Even if Jon hadn't intervened, he still would've been dead. I know Stannis won't get points for that, and I don't care, I'm just saying that I disagree with your example. -kas113

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Episode 3: The High Sparrow

40:26 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow executes Janos Slynt for insubordination, after he publicly defies Jon's orders to head out to Greyguard tower. (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 7: The Gift

22:42 (+0) Brant:

Brant pummels Samwell Tarly on the ground after Sam attempts to defend Gilly. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

Episode 8: Hardhome

47:58 (+0) Jon Snow:

Jon runs his sword through a wight that emerges through a hole in the Hardhome walls, holding it in place until Tormund can come to patch the wall up with a sledge. (Major Injury of Unnamed Character)

49:08 (+2) Jon Snow:

Jon swings through two wights as he runs towards the building were the dragonglass daggers were left. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:51 (+1) Jon Snow:

After parrying the White Walker's ice spear with his Valyrian Steel sword, Longclaw, Jon slashes through the White Walker, shattering his body into bits of ice. (Kill of Named Character)

54:28 (+1) Eddison Tollett:

Edd cuts down a wight as he, Tormund, and Jon Snow make a run for the dock. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

56:31 (+0) Alliser Thorne:

Alliser stabs Jon Snow in the stomach as he and the rest of the Night's Watch assassinate him for aiding the Wildlings. "For the Watch." (Major Injury of Named Character)

57:42 (+1) Olly:

Olly deals the fatal stab to Jon Snow in a mutiny. "For the Watch." (Kill of Named Character)

Political Wins

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

40:56 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Sam stumps for Jon Snow as a candidate for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, convincing many in the room. "He may be young, but he's the commander we turned to when the night was darkest." (Politics - uncategorized)

43:38 (+1) Jon Snow:

By the margin of a single vote, Jon Snow is reluctantly elected as the 998th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. (Politics - uncategorized)

Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)? -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 21 coconnor723 likes this
I don't think people get points for followers. Else Dany would have billions of points, Stannis a buttload, Tommen a ton, Doran a bunch, etc. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 24
Has there been a vote on this? I think the two explicit followers rule should count! -coconnor723

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2015 Apr 27

43:38 (+1) Maester Aemon:

Maester Aemon casts the deciding vote for Jon Snow in the Lord Commander election. (Politics - uncategorized)

43:41 (+2) Jon Snow:

Samwell Tarly and Maester Aemon cast their votes for Jon Snow in the Night's Watch election. Jon edges past Ser Alliser Thorne in the election and becomes their Lord Commander. (Politics - uncategorized)

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Brought up by @moonbaseu92: "Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)?" -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
It's an excellent point, but a bit tricky to figure out where to limit the scope. I'd like to figure out the line and record this as a new precedent in the Rulebook.

The problem with awarding automatic followers when someone gains a new title is that it potentially has a limitless range. For example, when Tommen becomes King, did that automatically make *every* Lannister/Tyrell character in the Seven Kingdoms his follower?

I think a reasonable rule would be to require an explicit pledge or act of loyalty by the follower. So in Joffrey's case, he'd get the standard point just for receiving the title of King, but no automatic points for any of the hundreds of named subjects. However if a scene shows a character coming to King's Landing to pledge a *new* oath of fealty to King Joffrey (like he requested of Robb), that'd count as a follower.

Applied to this election, I think normally there'd be no new followers for Jon, even from those who enthusiastically support him like Samwell (same as how Tommen doesn't automatically get every Lannister/Tyrell as a follower). *However*, the Night's Watch is unique in that they carry out a democratic process, giving every member the agency to choose who they want to declare (vote) for. In this case, the votes casted are an explicit act for "I will follow Jon Snow if he wins the election", so the votes by Samwell and Maester Aemon are counted as new followers.

What does everyone else think of establishing this as the scoring rule for followers? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
Sounds good to me. The more points scored the better and it helps improve some characters that might not score as much. As you said, it just needs to be more black and white for the scorekeepers. -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 23

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

24:03 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon takes on Olly as his personal steward. "Olly is my steward now, as I was Lord Commander Mormont's. I want him to attend my meetings, to learn from men with experience. One day, he might command." (Politics - uncategorized)

24:03 (+1) Olly:

Olly becomes Jon Snow's steward. "Olly is my steward now, as I was Lord Commander Mormont's. I want him to attend my meetings, to learn from men with experience. One day, he might command." (Politics - uncategorized)

25:27 (+1) Jon Snow:

"The Night's Watch can't continue to feed your men and the Wildling prisoners indefinitely. Winter is coming." (Politics - uncategorized)

27:11 (+1) Olly:

Davos Seaworth asks Olly to recite the Night's Watch oath to Jon Snow - "How does the Night's Watch vow go again? I bet you've got it memorized since you got here." - before interrupting him like an ass. (Politics - uncategorized)

37:03 (+1) Alliser Thorne:

Ser Alliser is appointed First Ranger by Jon Snow: "Ser Alliser, you have more experience than any other soldier at Castle Black. You proved your valor many times over by defending the Wall from the Wildling attack. I name you First Ranger." (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

18:03 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell convinces Jon to sign a letter requesting recruits from Roose Bolton. "We swore to be the Watchers on the Wall. We can't watch the Wall with 50 men. And we can't get more men without help from the Warden of the North." (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

8:52 (+1) Maester Aemon:

Maester Aemon convinces Jon to follow through with his convictions. "Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born." (Politics - uncategorized)

11:33 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow unlocks Tormund from his chains and convinces him to go on a mission to save the remaining Wildlings.
Jon: "Your people need a leader. And they need to get south of the Wall before it's too late. We don't have much time and they have less. The Walkers are coming and they'll hit your people first. I'm not asking you to make peace to save your skin. Make peace to save your people."
...
Tormund: "Alright then... You're coming with me." (Politics - uncategorized)

15:47 (+1) Jon Snow:

to Olly: "I know this is hard for you. But Winter is coming. We know what's coming with it. We can't face it alone." (Politics - uncategorized)

40:36 (+1) Jon Snow:

Stannis agrees to lend Jon Snow his ships, indicating that Jon is forging ahead with his plan to rescue the Wildlings despite the disapproval of most of the Night's Watch. (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 7: The Gift

4:45 (+1) Alliser Thorne:

Jon Snow names Ser Alliser acting commander at Castle Black. (Politics - uncategorized)

5:18 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow is given a dragonglass dagger by Samwell Tarly, in the event that he needs to fend off the White Walkers. (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

7:35 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Sam convinces Jon Snow to send him and Gilly to Oldtown so that Sam can train to be the next Maester for the Night's Watch. "If Gilly stays here, then she'll die. And the baby that she named after me will die. And I'll end up dying, too, trying to protect them. Which means that the last thing that I'll see in this world will be the look in her eyes when I fail them." (Politics - uncategorized)

56:31 (+1) Alliser Thorne:

Jon Snow is betrayed by Ser Alliser for helping to aid the Wildlings. "For the Watch." (Politics - uncategorized)

57:42 (+1) Olly:

Olly betrays Jon Snow, telling him of news about his uncle Benjen in order to lead him to the band of mutineers. (Politics - uncategorized)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 1: The Wars to Come

20:54 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

"How many Brothers can say that they've killed a White Walker *and* a Thenn? I might be the first in history!" (Funny Line)

This isn't an insult and I don't find it funny. Out of context, it's not funny, and in context, it shows Sam's laziness, where Gilly is in fairly constant danger, surrounded by men who hate her, but Sam doesn't want to train because he had a few lucky moments beyond the wall.

Is this category purely "made the scorekeeper laugh"? Gilly certainly didn't find it funny and it wasn't delivered as though it was humor. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 19
I thought it was clearly meant to be humor. I think it was a "funny", although I didn't find it laugh out loud funny either. Also I don't think running a "is it funny out of context" test is very useful for judging something's funni'ness. Generally isn't comedy mostly about context? -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 20
I meant that it was LESS fun in context, but wasn't even funny out of context.

I don't know how you can think it's humor. It's Sam trying to puff up for Gilly as an excuse for why he isn't training. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20
It might be seen as delivered as humor if Sam was using it to jokingly poke fun at how useless he is otherwise (hey, remember those two times I ended up doing something right??), but you can tell he's genuinely proud of himself and thinks he can protect Gilly because of this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Sam, but this moment was sad and I felt bad for Gilly. Not humor at all. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 20
The "context" for humor is that of the viewer - many jokes won't be funny at all to any characters in-universe, but the humor is meant for those *watching* the show. In this case, Sam isn't telling a joke and Gilly isn't perceiving it as a joke. But the viewer obviously sees through Samwell's weak attempt at a brag for what it is, and Samwell's vanity is the joke here. I agree that it's not the greatest laugh-out-loud moment in the show, but enough people wrote in suggesting this one that we added it. -nyan

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2015 Apr 21

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

33:16 (+1) Gilly:

Samwell: "Did you know that the youngest Lord Commander in history, Osric Stark, was elected at the age of 10?"
Gilly: "I know 'S' ..." (Funny Line)

40:42 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

"A wildling girl, a baby, and Lord Janos. I found him there (in the Castle Black pantry) after the battle was over, in a puddle of his own making." (Witty Insult)

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

36:14 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon appoints a new latrine captain to head up the latrine pit digging: "Brian - it seems like a good job for a ginger." (Funny Line)

37:24 (+1) Janos Slynt:

after Jon orders him to rebuild the ruined tower of Greyguard: "I was charged with the defense of King's Landing when you were soiling your swaddling clothes. Keep your ruin." (Witty Insult)

Episode 7: The Gift

23:05 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

to Brant and Derek, who are assaulting Gilly: "I killed a White Walker. I killed a Thenn. I'll take my chances with you." (Threat)

24:11 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Sam boasts about his command of the situation after he'd been beaten senseless by Brant and Derek of the Night's Watch.
Gilly: "I know they would've killed you if Ghost hadn't come."
Sam: "No no no, they were tiring out. I had them in the palm of my hand" (Funny Line)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

25:31 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

during his first sexual experience with Gilly: "Oh... oh... oh my..." (Funny Line)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

Episode 9: The Dance of Dragons

7:03 (+1) Alliser Thorne:

to Jon: "You have a good heart, Jon Snow. It'll get us all killed." (Witty Insult)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

7:46 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Jon Snow: "You know that the Citadel will make you swear off women, too."
Samwell: "Oh, they'll bloody try." (Funny Line)

7:59 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon: "You had just been beaten half to death. How did you...?"
Sam: "Oh, very carefully."
Jon: "I'm glad the end of the world's working out well for someone." (Funny Line)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

39:23 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks in the hall at Castle Black, as the election for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch begins. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

42:44 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks another cup while members of the Night's Watch cast their votes for Lord Commander. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

39:12 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon "Never Kill a Man Sober" Snow finishes off his drink before heading outside to execute Janos Slynt. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

8:23 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon and Sam toast to Sam's journey to Oldtown to become a Maester. "To your return." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

8:23 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Jon and Sam toast to Sam's journey to Oldtown to become a Maester. "To your return." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 7: The Gift

26:24 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell breaks his vows and lays with Gilly after he get injured. "Oh... oh... oh my." (Act of Intercourse)

26:24 (+1) Gilly:

Gilly sleeps with Samwell Tarly after she tends to his wounds. (Act of Intercourse)

Deaths

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

40:26 (+1) Janos Slynt:

Janos is beheaded for insubordination, after defying Jon Snow's orders as Lord Commander. (Death)

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

+0 for Janos Slynt

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

+0 for Janos Slynt

Episode 6: Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

+0 for Janos Slynt

Episode 7: The Gift

11:30 (+1) Maester Aemon:

Maester Aemon dies of old age. "Egg. I dreamed that I was old." (Death)

+0 for Janos Slynt

Episode 8: Hardhome

+0 for Maester Aemon, +0 for Janos Slynt

Episode 9: The Dance of Dragons

+0 for Maester Aemon, +0 for Janos Slynt

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

58:45 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow is stabbed by a band of Night's Watch mutineers, receiving the final fatal blow from his steward, Olly. (Death)

+0 for Maester Aemon, +0 for Janos Slynt

Special

Episode 1: The Wars to Come

23:07 (+1) Jon Snow:

Melisandre announces Jon Snow to Stannis: "Your Grace. The bastard of Winterfell." (Special)

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

33:16 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Sam mentions a factoid from his book on the history of Lord Commanders of the Night's Watch. "Did you know that the youngest Lord Commander in history, Osric Stark, was elected at the age of 10?" (Special)

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

38:09 (+1) Jon Snow:

Janos Slynt: "You can stick your order up your bastard ass." (Special)

Episode 4: The Sons of the Harpy

17:20 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell prepares a set of raven letters to various Lords requesting recruits for the Night's Watch. (Special)

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

6:55 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell reads a raven letter to Maester Aemon, reporting on Daenery's current struggles as ruler of Meereen. (Special)

35:13 (+1) Samwell Tarly:

Sam reads in the library of Castle Black while talking to Gilly. (Special)

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