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Highgarden Hodor (Public #158)

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4-6, 23.5 roto pts (#2)
Z-Score: 0.365 (percentile: 64.25%)
Weeks at #1: 1
Categories won: Political Wins (108)
Best Week: Episode 4: Book of the Stranger (+6.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Daenerys Targaryen (picked #2, 162 points, 32.34% of team total)
Longest winstreak: W-1

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	#2	162	94	42	6	5	15	0	0
Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	#31	118	0	0	0	0	0	19	99
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Free-spirited and rebellious, Arya escaped the war-ravaged Westeros and currently resides in Braavos, where she trains under the face-changing assassin Jaqen H'ghar in the House of Black and White.	#7	57	40	6	3	5	0	0	3
Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. Sansa has spent many of her past years as prisoner to the Lannisters and more recently, House Bolton, the new Warden of the North. Currently she is married to Ramsay, the heir of House Bolton, who keeps her imprisoned in Winterfell and tortures her sadistically. During the Bolton battle against Stannis Baratheon's forces, Sansa escapes over the Winterfell walls with the help of Theon Greyjoy, and the two make their way as far from the Boltons as possible. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	#10	54	10	18	18	5	0	0	3
High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	#23	45	5	24	6	0	0	10	0
Tommen Baratheon The King of the Seven Kingdoms after the assassination of his brother, Joffrey Baratheon. He is young and highly impressionable to the various influences in King's Landing that seek to control him.	#26	26	10	6	0	0	0	10	0
Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	#15	23	0	12	6	5	0	0	0
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	#18	16	2	0	0	5	0	0	9
Totals		501	161	108	39	25	15	39	114

Roster

charId	Character	Special
31	Daenerys Targaryen The last royal member of the Targaryen dynasty, Daenerys and her three dragons have carved out a revolutionary empire in the east, liberating several slave cities and acquiring an army of Unsullied warriors. Her recent rule over the slave city of Meereen has been met with strife, however, and she currently finds herself lost with her largest dragon, Drogon, in Dothraki territory.	* Announcing her titles: "Mother of Dragons", "Breaker of Chains", etc. (min. of 2 titles)
6	Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Free-spirited and rebellious, Arya escaped the war-ravaged Westeros and currently resides in Braavos, where she trains under the face-changing assassin Jaqen H'ghar in the House of Black and White.	* Nymeria's actions contribute to her points. * +1 point for reciting her hitlist * adopting a new Faceless Man disguise
5	Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. Sansa has spent many of her past years as prisoner to the Lannisters and more recently, House Bolton, the new Warden of the North. Currently she is married to Ramsay, the heir of House Bolton, who keeps her imprisoned in Winterfell and tortures her sadistically. During the Bolton battle against Stannis Baratheon's forces, Sansa escapes over the Winterfell walls with the help of Theon Greyjoy, and the two make their way as far from the Boltons as possible. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	* Lady's actions contribute to her points. * +1 point in every scene she cries
40	Samwell Tarly A steward of the Night's Watch. He is a close friend to Jon Snow, and one of the few people known to have killed a White Walker. He journeys south to begin his training as a Maester to replace the aging Maester Aemon.	+1 point for reading books, mentioning he "read that in a book", or writing raven letters.
61	Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	+1 point for scenes where Theon refers to himself as "Reek" +1 point when his missing manhood is referenced
192	High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	1 politics point every time he (or Sparrows under his order) publicly out a named character for their sins
77	Tommen Baratheon The King of the Seven Kingdoms after the assassination of his brother, Joffrey Baratheon. He is young and highly impressionable to the various influences in King's Landing that seek to control him.	Actions by Ser Pounce contribute to his points.
185	Doran Martell The head of House Martell of Dorne, and elder brother of Prince Oberyn Martell.	+1 point for every on-screen step he takes

Kills

Episode 1: The Red Woman

17:13 (+2) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon stabs a Bolton soldier through the back while he is battling Podrick Payne. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

32:57 (+2) Daenerys Targaryen:

Jorah and Daario discover the charred bones of a ram out on the hills near the Dothraki sea. It appears to be Drogon's work.

Daario: "You think our friend got him?"
Jorah: "Don't know anything else that can melt a ram's horn."
Daario: "We're on the right path, then." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

submitted by alicehanners (approved!)

So the one little bit of difference in my mind is that for the little kid, we see both the before and after. So it's a clear, "this happened during the course of the episode". The ram in this case, I don't think was shown anytime earlier, and I worry that giving points for *any* dead bodies that show up will lead to some later scene where we come across a field of hundreds of mutilated bodies and get a line "Drogon must have done this." or "this is the work of Gregor Clegane", and end up rewarding a bunch of points that never had a payoff for show watchers.

Open to other thoughts/interpretations though. This is a good precedent-setter either way. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Wait, you see Zalla alive? I forgot that part
-alicehanners

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2016 Apr 26
Will have to bring the episode back up, but if I recall correctly the opening scene of the episode is the girl playing on the grass hillside. Then Drogon emerges from below the cliff and stares down at her. The later on in the episode the man comes to Daenerys' court with the charred bones. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26
Went back to do a rewatch, your memory of the events is right Alice. The scene I was thinking of is from S4E6 - Drogon rises above the cliff to stare down a boy goat herder, then ends up roasting a little goat and snatching it away. The boy escapes unscathed. Later in S4E10 the girls' bones show up without any prior introduction. I also found some previous precedents with Ramsay talking about killing people and just displaying the flayed corpses in S5 which were counted. So in keeping with that, this poor bbq'd ram will count! -nyan

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2016 Apr 27 moonbaseu92 likes this
Are dragon kills considered her "Special"? Because that would be a x3 multiplier -armizzle.diaz

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2016 Apr 29
@armizzle.diaz the dragons' actions will count for all of their respective category, so this is scored as kills, and if they shotgun a barrel of wine or decide to get incestuous, it'll count as wine/sex points. The special category is more for the "+1 for each..." that don't fit elsewhere. The Starks' wolves are counted the same way. -nyan

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2016 Apr 29 nsimmonds likes this

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

55:17 (+10) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys shoves the last torchstand at Khal Moro, burning him alive inside the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen. (Kill of Named Character)

56:01 (+20) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with Khal Rhalko and Khal Forzo inside of it. (Kill of Named Character)

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Rhalko is named by Khal Moro, "You'd rather be sold into slaver? Or maybe you'd like to show Rhalko here what you taste like?".

Forzo was not, but existed as a draftable character based on casting rumors, so he's included.

Qhono was not actually in the tent, he's visible as one of the Dothraki in the crowd approaching the burning Temple (around 59:23 on the hbogo stream). -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Will clarify the new precedent in rulebook. The "named" character definition will be bent a little to include:
* all draftable characters
* "boss fight" characters, to borrow from video game terminology (pending)

For more discussion on the new "Kills of Named Character" criteria, check out the proposal at: http://fantasora.com/event/2394 -nyan

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2016 May 16 alandennis88 likes this
Maybe it would be clearer if you simply changed it to "Kills of Draftable Characters/Bosses" :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 16

56:01 (+24) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys burns down the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with twelve unnamed Khals and their bloodriders inside of it, in addition to Khal Moro, Rhalko, and Forzo. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Episode 8: No One

55:51 (+10) Arya Stark:

Arya leads the Waif to her darkened quarters, where she extinguishes the lone candle with her sword Needle and gains the upper hand in complete darkness. (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

8:30 (+38) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys commands her dragons to rain fire down onto one of the slaver ships attacking Meereen. 19 slaver soldiers are shown dying in the ensuing firestorm, as the ship collapses and sinks. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Similar to Bronn's wildfire explosion on the Blackwater (http://fantasora.com/event/1151), the whole ship went down with probably dozens if not hundreds of soldiers onboard, but it'd be impossible to speculate what that count would be. The 19 deaths here are based on the number of burning or otherwise injured soldiers shown on-screen.

Below you can find a log of each kill with a handy screenshot for reference: https://imgur.com/a/PR8RV

1-2. Two soldiers standing directly below as Drogon's first flame hits
3-5. Three soldiers caught in the flames from the fire on the central deck
6. Soldier on fire
7. Burning soldier collapsing onto the floor
8. Soldier ejected by first explosion during Drogon's flyover
9. Soldier still onboard ship in same explosion
10. Soldier thrown overboard in second explosion during Drogon's flyover
11. Soldier caught directly in flames of second explosion
12-14. Three burning soldiers
15. Silhouette of burning soldier against the inferno
16. Burning soldier falls overboard as ship begins to collapse
17. Soldier in water as ship collapses onto him
18. Soldier fall off the upper deck as the ship collapses
19. Second soldier falls off the upper deck as the ship collapses -nyan

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2016 Jun 20 bookworm13457, rajatnigam, alexanderdropkin, moonbaseu92 like this
So this only counts the ship that was burned by Daenerys atop the single dragon, but what about the deaths of the sailors from the other dragons? Ultimately, even though Jon Snow's kills in episode 9 were more personal and shown on screen, the amount of kills that Dany and her dragons committed far outweighed Jon's, thus she should not be trailing him for kills this episode.

I would suggest that the number of ships in the Master's Navy, which was hinted when the initial surrender talks were happening should be multiplied by the 19 we see die on screen. Each ship having 19 sailors evident on screen, but the entire navy is wiped out. I'd have to rewatch to get the exact figure he mentions, but I think it's either 100 or 1000. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 22
Dany does not destroy the entire navy. She saves much of it for herself to get across the sea. The only reasonable thing to do is only count the onscreen kills. -bookworm13457

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2016 Jun 22 nyan and righteous like this
The dragons are all attacking the one ship: https://imgur.com/a/N8p0M. It's just a display of power, as she wants to keep the rest of the ships to herself. Tyrion: "Thank you for the armada. Our Queen does love ships." -nyan

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2016 Jun 22 dopeghoti and alicehanners like this

57:17 (+10) Sansa Stark:

Sansa feeds the imprisoned Ramsay to his own hounds.

Ramsay: "My hounds will never harm me."
Sansa: "You haven't fed them in seven days. You said it yourself."
Ramsay: "They're loyal beasts."
Sansa: "They were. Now they're starving." (Kill of Named Character)

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Ramsay starved the hounds until they were hungry enough to eat him. Maybe he should get the kill. -twalters

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2016 Jun 21 nyan likes this
where was ghost? -crisbell22

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2016 Jun 23
In an interview the director said Ghost was just cut for budget reasons.

"[Ghost] was in there in spades originally, but it's also an incredibly time consuming and expensive character to bring to life," the episode's director Miguel Sapochnik told Business Insider on Monday. "Ultimately we had to choose between Wun-Wun and the direwolf, so the dog bit the dust." -nyan

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2016 Jun 24

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

9:05 (+5) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow orders the seven-pointed star to be carved into Loras Tyrell's forehead after his confessions, as a symbol of his sins and newfound faith in the Seven.
Margaery Tyrell: "You mutilated him. You gave me your word." (Major Injury of Named Character)

How is this a kill? -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
Shouldn't Lancel or the Sparrow cutting get the points? -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
That requires some skill -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
These are major injury points, since the disfigurement is permanent. Lancel gets credit for the same (right below this one). Lancel's is the direct action, and the High Sparrow is the commanded one (since Lancel is a prisoner and willingly submits, it's regarded as "unskilled"). -nyan

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2016 Jun 28

22:19 (+10) Tommen Baratheon:

After witnessing the wildfire explosion at the Sept of Baelor, Tommen removes his crown and leaps from the balcony to his death. (Kill of Named Character)

48:52 (+20) Arya Stark:

Arya serves Walder Frey pies stuffed with meat from his own sons, Black Walder and Lothar Frey.

Walder Frey: "Where are my damn moron sons? Black Walder and Lothar promised to be here by midday."
Arya: "But they're already here, my Lord... Here, my Lord... They weren't easy to carve." (Kill of Named Character)

49:06 (+10) Arya Stark:

After serving him a meat pie cooked from his own sons, Arya slits the throat of Walder Frey. "My name is Arya Stark. I want you to know that. The last thing you're ever going to see is a Stark smiling down at you as you die." (Kill of Named Character)

Political Wins

Episode 1: The Red Woman

18:16 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Given a redo, Lady Sansa finally accepts Brienne of Tarth into her service as a knight.
Brienne: "Lady Sansa, I offer my services once again. I will shield your back and keep your counsel and give my life for yours if need be. I swear it, by the Old Gods and the New."
Sansa: "And I vow... that you shall always have a place by my... hearth. and..."
Podrick assist" Meat and mead at my table."
Sansa: "...meat and mead at my table. And I pledge to ask no service of you that might bring you dishonor. I swear it by the Old Gods and the New. Arise." (New Follower/Prisoner)

40:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Khal Moro to not rape her by mentioning that she is the widow of Khal Drogo.
Daenerys: "I was wife to Khal Dorgo, son of Khal Bharbo."
Khal Moro: "Khal Drogo is dead."
Daenerys: " I know. I burnt his body."
Khal Moro: "Forgive me. I did not know. It is forbidden to lie with a Khal's widow. No one will touch you. You have my word." (Convincing Argument)

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Episode 2: Home

13:51 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen bars Cersei from attending her daughter Myrcella's funeral, instead ordering her to stay in the Red Keep. Despite having the monstrous zombie Mountain on her side, she respects the King's wishes. (Executive Decision)

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

10:55 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam convinces Gilly to go along with his plan to stay with his family in Horn Hill.
Gilly: "I know that, Sam. And he does too. You're the only one who ever has. If you think it's for the best... we trust you."
(Convincing Argument)

11:19 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Gilly acknowledges Sam's stepfather status to little Sam. Samwell proceeds to vomit from all the subsequent feels.
Samwell: "I'd feel better if you threw something at me and stormed off."
Gilly: "I'd never do that to the father of my son." (New Follower/Prisoner)

37:21 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces Tommen Baratheon to stand down his demands for his mother's entry into the Sept to see Myrcella.
High Sparrow: "A true leader avails himself of the wisest counsel he can. And no one is wiser than the Gods."
Tommen: "My grandfather once said something similar. Except for the part about the Gods."
High Sparrow: "The Gods worked through him whether he knew it or not. As they work through your mother. There's so much good in all of us. The best we can do is to help each other bring it out." (Convincing Argument)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

27:30 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces her rescuers on a new escape plan
Daenerys: "We will *never* get out of Vaes Dothrak alive."
Jorah: "All we can do is try."
Daenerys: "No. We can do more than that. And you're going to help me." (Convincing Argument)

50:10 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa convinces Jon to rally the Wildling armies and march on Winterfell.

"You are the son of the last true Warden of the North. Northern families are loyal. They'll fight for you if you ask. A monster has taken our home and our brother. We have to go back to Winterfell and save them both." (Convincing Argument)

56:22 (+9) Daenerys Targaryen:

The Dothraki of Vaes Dothrak arrive at the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and bow down to Daenerys as their new ruler, after she kills off all of the Khals by burning them alive in the Temple. Among them are Khal Moro's bloodrider Qhono, the High Priestess of the Dosh Khaleen, and the Lhazareen Khal widow. (New Follower/Prisoner)

56:28 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys claims dominion over Vaes Dothrak as the inhabits of the city bow down to her, after her burning of the Temple of the Dosh Khaleen and all of the ruling Khals inside of it. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Episode 5: The Door

6:05 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa learns of the re-emergence of the Blackfish and the Tully army. "Your great-uncle, Brynden the Blackfish, has gathered what remains of the Tully forces and retaken Riverrun. (Secret Discovery)

29:47 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys overrules Jorah's decision to leave her: "Do not walk away from your Queen, Jorah the Andal. You have not been dismissed. You swore to obey my commands for the rest of your life. Well, I command you to find the cure wherever it is in this world. I command you to heal yourself and then return to me." (Executive Decision)

32:04 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

High Priestess Kinvara signs on to Team Daenerys as the Lord of HYPE.

"You don't need to persuade me. I came to help. Daenerys Stormborn is the one who was promised. From the fire she was reborn to remake the world ... I will summon my most eloquent priests. They will spread the word. Daenerys has been sent to lead the people against the darkness in this war and in the great war still to come." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

10:24 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces King Tommen to allow Margaery to proceed with her Walk of Atonement.
Tommen: "Is there no other way? ... It just seems very dangerous."
High Sparrow: "She'll be protected the entire way. The Faith Militant are very stern with those who overstep their bounds." (Convincing Argument)

23:27 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Samwell steals his father's Valyrian steel sword, Heartsbane, from above the family mantlepiece.
Gilly: "Sam. That's your father's sword."
Sam: "It's my family's sword."
Gilly: "Sam. Won't he come for it?"
Sam: "He can bloody well try." (New Weapon)

23:30 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

On his last night in Horn Hill, Samwell steals his father's Valyrian steel sword, Heartsbane, from above the family mantlepiece.
Gilly: "Sam. That's your father's sword."
Sam: "It's my family's sword."
Gilly: "Sam. Won't he come for it?"
Sam: "He can bloody well try." (Act of Betrayal)

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Well, he actually changed his allegiance when entering the Night's Watch but the theft should still be considered some kind of betrayal, as Lord Randyll goes on about how Sam has no right to Heartsbane during the family reunion dinner. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1
Actually, he rather clarifies that Sam _does_ have a right to it, but that intends to defy that right. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 2
True! Still, I feel this should somehow be counted as an act of betrayal.
Although, diving a little deeper into Westerosi inheritance customs: That Sam cannot inherit anything, be it Randyll's title, the castle, the weapon or anything else, has become self-evident for every Westerosi, the moment Sam joined the Night's Watch. This is an essential part of NW membership. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 2
But well.. the lore/background shouldn't have such an importance. What counts is the depicition of events in the series, I'd say. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 2
just because Sam doesn't have a right to the sword doesn't mean its not a betrayal. It is his family, allegiance has nothing to do with inheritance. -cmwalken15

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2016 Jun 2
he gave up his family name though when he took the black -as38

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2016 Jun 2

30:28 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow announces Margaery's crimes to the masses gathered at the Sept of Baelor. "Rich or poor, noble or common, if we sin, we must atone. Margaery of House Tyrell came to us a sinner. She stood before the gods in the holy sept and lied. She turned a blind eye to her brother's sins. She disgraced her house, her King, and herself." (Politics Special)

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What about everytime he deescalates a confrontation? He's done that basically every episode. -julian.aronowitz

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2016 Jun 1
Proposition for new Sparrow special, using others who have multiple triggers as a template:
+1 each time the High Sparrow publicly outs a draftable character's sins or crimes
+1 each time he deescalates an impending violent conflict
+1 each time he makes specific reference to his past as a cobbler, or his current barefootedness. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 1 as38, julian.aronowitz, Ser Vincent, nyan like this
I think it's definitely good to count this even if he has already publicly outed Margaery as a sinner. It's exactely this obnoxious way of using every situation to make every last person aware of the sinner that is his speciality. It's like Daenerys repeating her titles over and over again and I'm sure there are more examples.
I assume the repetition came up here because of the question if kills that have already been shown should count if they reappear in Bran's visions? There I would disagree, but to me these are two entirely different things. It might help to step out of the scoring framework for an instant and think about how you experience these different acts while watching the episodes (without having the fantasy league in mind :D).

Maybe, it might also help to think in terms of plot and story. A kill happens once in the story, but the plot may deliver information about that at another time within the narrative - or even multiple times. The High Sparrow's multiple announcements do actually happen that often. Furthermore, it's not about revealing a secret, it's the act of denouncing he likes so much :)

At least that's my understanding of the way this game works, hah. Correct me if I'm wrong :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1

30:46 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya betrays Bianca, who had entrusted her murder plot of Lady Crane to the Faceless Men. "Careful that one... she wants you dead." (Act of Betrayal)

31:15 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya reclaims Needle, which she had buried into the docks of Braavos. (New Weapon)

36:49 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow picks up an ownership stake in King's Landing after announcing a joint venture with Tommen Baratheon to make the Seven Kingdoms great again.
High Sparrow: "Together we announce a new age of harmony. A holy alliance between the Crown and the Faith."
Tommen: "The Crown and the Faith are the twin pillars upon which the world rests. Together we will restore the Seven Kingdoms to glory." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

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Definitely a huge coup for him this episode. Aside from getting Margaery/Tommen on his side, it was hard to pinpoint something concrete for this new "holy alliance", e.g. did he get promoted to a Pope Sparrow, or is he now effectively in control of King's Landing as you say (technically it should still be Tommen). -nyan

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2016 Jun 1
i think it is both tommen and the high sparrow in control of kings landing, the crown and the faith, tommen didnt lose kings landing he merely entered a joint venture with the high sparrow for shared control -as38

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2016 Jun 1 nyan likes this
Tommen didn't lose titular control over King's Landing (and indeed the Seven Kingdoms), but the High Sparrow is certainly going to take advantage of Tommen coming under his metaphorical wing. So to speak. Definitely a gain for the High Sparrow, but not a loss for Tommen per se. -dopeghoti

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36:52 (+6) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow announces the latest high-profile devotees to sign onto Team Sparrow, in a joint press conference with Tommen Baratheon and Margaery Tyrell.

"Queen Margaery has already atoned for her sins by bringing another into the true light of the Seven. Together we announce a new age of harmony. A holy alliance between the Crown and the Faith." (New Follower/Prisoner)

48:41 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

After burning down the Vaes Dothrak gym, Daenerys earns the appropriate badge to regain control over Drogon, riding him in dramatic fashion over her crowd of Dothraki followers. (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Anyway, the scene was kinda poorly scripted; but just the point of flying in there on a fucking huge dragon and shouting epic shit at people with blades in their hands was such an incredibly badass move that she definitely needed to get points for it, no matter what :D I know it's rather impossible to score, but Dany's special should be "performing acts of exceptional badassery/awesomeness" -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1
Love this description! -dneanover

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Judging from his facial expression, this probably wasn't exactely the same thing Daaribro had in mind when talking about "riding the dragon" a few episodes ago :o -Lem Lemoncake

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Episode 7: The Broken Man

27:11 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Lyanna Mormont pledges her house to Jon Snow's fighting forces: "House Mormont has kept faith with House Stark for a thousand years... We will not break faith today." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Episode 8: No One

24:19 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen issues a royal decree banning Trial by Combat. "Furthermore, after much prayer and reflection, the Crown has decided that from this day forward, trial by combat will be forbidden throughout the Seven Kingdoms. The tradition is a brutish one, a scheme devised by corrupt rulers in order to avoid true judgment from the Gods." (Executive Decision)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

11:03 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys wins the Battle of Meereen with a terrorizing display of fire and blood with her three unleashed dragons.
Tyrion to Yezzan: "Tell your people what happened here. Tell them you live by the grace of Her Majesty. When they come forward with notions of retribution or ideas about returning the slave cities to their former glory, remind them what happened when Daenerys Stormborn and her dragons came to Meereen." (Victorious Battle)

30:04 (+6) Daenerys Targaryen:

Yara and Theon Greyjoy pledge themselves and the Iron Fleet to Daenerys' cause, in return for helping them retake the Iron Islands and defeat their uncle, Euron Greyjoy.

Daenerys: "You will support my claim as queen of the Seven Kingdoms and respect the integrity of the Seven Kingdoms. No more reaving, roving, raiding, or raping."
Yara: "That's our way of life."
Daenerys: "No more."
Yara: "No more." (New Follower/Prisoner)

53:00 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa retakes Winterfell for House Stark after defeating Ramsay Bolton and the rest of the Bolton army. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

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I think it's exceptionally clear that Sansa has Winterfell and UNCLEAR that Jon has it. Jon is a Snow. Sansa is a Stark. Stark banners were unfurled. Jon may have been leading the army, but it was for the Starks. Not for himself. -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 21 taylorreneegoodrich likes this
If Ramsay was not the only person in Westeros to care about Jon's desertion from the Night's Watch, he has probably already been beheaded by Bronze Yohn, right? -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22
Jon didn't desert. He signed on for life. He died. He's free and clear to traipse all over Westeros now. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

0:00 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Littlefinger pledges his support of House Stark to Sansa Stark. "News of this battle will spread quickly through the Seven Kingdoms. I've declared for House Stark for all to hear." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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8:37 (+3) High Sparrow:

Loras renounces his claims to House Tyrell and swears himself to the High Sparrow and the Faith of the Seven.
Loras Tyrell: "I will abandon the Tyrell name and all that goes with it. I will renounce my lordship and my claims on Highgarden. I will never marry and I will never father children."
High Sparrow: "Brother Loras, I ask you to dedicate your life to the Seven Gods. Will you fight to defend your faith against heretics and apostates?"
Loras Tyrell: "I will." (New Follower/Prisoner)

10:04 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow reneges on his agreement to release Loras Tyrell after his confessions (presumably unharmed).
Margaery Tyrell: "You mutilated him. You gave me your word."
High Sparrow: "And I have kept my word. Once the Queen Mother's trial is concluded, Brother Loras is free to leave." (Act of Betrayal)

43:11 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys convinces Daario to accept his assignment to stay behind in Meereen as its ruler.
Daario: "You'll get that throne you want so badly, I'm sure of it. I hope it brings you happiness. I pity the lords of Westeros. They have no idea what's coming for them." (Convincing Argument)

46:12 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

As they begin plans to sail to Westeros, Tyrion Lannister professes his belief in Daenerys and pledges his services to her.

Tyrion Lannister: "For what it's worth, I've been a cynic for as long as I can remember. Everyone's always asking me to believe in things - family, gods, kings, myself. It was often tempting until I saw where belief got people. So I said no, thank you to belief. And yet here I am. I believe in you. It's embarrassing, really. I'd swear you my sword, but I don't actually own a sword."
Daenerys: "It's your counsel I need."
Tyrion: "It's yours. Now and always." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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I don't know about this, because he was already a follower, starting last season. This is like saying Davos is officially following Jon Snow, when he's been following him for seasons -skywalkerdude

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2016 Jun 27 righteous and jedjackoway like this
Agreed. Tyrion definitely gets points for a new title, but I don't think Daenerys should get points because Tyrion is not a new follower. -nick.embrey

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2016 Jun 27
But he made a vow this episode to her. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27 nyan likes this
I guess it depends on when a follower is added? Not sure of the ruling if, say, a follower left then came back like maybe Jorah? Would it count twice? Also, if the follower is only counted once ever, I suppose a submission could be made at this point that Daenerys should gain the sand snakes and Olenna since Varys appears at the end in their discussion, surely this is meant to be her landing zone - Dorne. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 27
I feel like it should come down to whether or not Tyrion has been scored as Dany's follower yet, either this season or last. -jedjackoway

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2016 Jun 28 alexanderdropkin likes this
On the parallel to Davos, I've actually added his Jon Snow follower points here: http://fantasora.com/event/3026. It's a very similar situation in that the characters clearly became a follower at some point, but in a very gradual process. I'm not sure how to score these aside from waiting for a semi-official kind of moment.

Looking through, I actually can't find a Daenerys score for Tyrion as a follower in S5. It's possible this was an oversight, but unless someone can pinpoint a more official declaration of allegiance for Tyrion before this, this seems like the moment for him. -nyan

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Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 2: Home

18:20 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Jaime Lannister, as his Sparrows circle in: "Every one of us is poor and powerless. And yet, together, we can overthrow an empire." (Threat)

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

40:15 (+3) Arya Stark:

Waif: "That's a short list. That can't be everyone you want to kill. Are you sure you're not forgetting someone?"
Arya: "Which name would you like a girl to speak?" (Threat)

Not sure this counts as a threat. Who's she threatening? It's hardly a threat any more than Joffrey was threatening every time he brandished a sword or aimed a crossbow at nothing. -alicehanners

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 and Lem Lemoncake like this
I think you're missing that it's implied she was threatening to speak their names. I watched this a few times and definitely got that hint. -klov3r

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Oh lol, I never understood that as a threat.. but well, I expected that the Waif wanted her to name Arya Stark in order for her absurdly boring Jedi training to finally end. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 9
klov3r's interpretation is what I had in mind. Like a "Yours is on it too, but a girl supposedly has no name." There's also a marked shift in the reaction of the Waif after this line, as if she realizes that she's scared of being a target, and isn't so nameless after all. -nyan

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2016 May 9 jedjackoway likes this
Oh come on, that's the most ridiculous interpretation. She's SUPPOSED to say "Which name would you like a girl to speak?" because she's becoming and assassin. She's not threatening Waif. How on earth. -alicehanners

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Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

53:14 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

to the Dothraki Khals: "And here, now, what great matters do the Great Khals discuss? Which little villages you'll raid, how many girls you'll get to fuck, how many horses you'll demand in tribute. You are small men. None of you are fit to lead the Dothraki." (Witty Insult)

Episode 5: The Door

3:06 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Littlefinger: "Did you know about Ramsay? If you didn't know you're an idiot. If you did know, you're my enemy." (Witty Insult)

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4:49 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Littlefinger: "You said you would protect me... I don't believe you anymore... You can't protect me. You won't even be able to protect yourself if I tell Brienne to cut you down." (Threat)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

7:24 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Sam: "I told them I met you in the North."
Gilly: "Did you tell them how far north?"
Sam: "Well, it wasn't a very large piece of parchment..." (Funny Line)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

9:22 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Margaery: "The Queen of Thorns is a remarkable woman, a strong woman. And an unrepentant sinner. You must teach her the new one, as she taught you the old, or I fear for her safety, body and soul." (Threat)

38:36 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Jon: "So [Davos Seaworth] is your most trusted advisor now? Because he secured 62 men from a 10-year-old?" (Witty Insult)

38:43 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Jon: "Ser Davos is the reason I'm standing here talking to you and he served Stannis for years."
Sansa: "Stannis... who lost the Blackwater, who murdered his own brother, who doesn't have a head?" (Witty Insult)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

55:38 (+3) Sansa Stark:

to Ramsay: "Your words will disappear. Your house will disappear. Your name will disappear. All memory of you will disappear." (Threat)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

29:43 (+3) Samwell Tarly:

Citadel receptionist: "This is irregular."
Samwell: "Yes, well... I suppose that... life is irregular." (Funny Line)

45:19 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys: "Do you know what frightens me? I said farewell to a man who loves me. A man I thought I cared for. And I felt nothing. Just impatient to get on with it."
Tyrion: "He wasn't the first to love you and he won't be the last."
Daenerys: "Well, you have completely failed to console me." (Funny Line)

51:28 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Petyr Baelish: "Every time I'm faced with a decision, I close my eyes and see the same picture. Whenever I consider an action, I ask myself will this action help to make this picture a reality? ... A picture of me on the Iron Throne... and you by my side."
Sansa: "It's a pretty picture." (Witty Insult)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

9:05 (+5) Samwell Tarly:

After vomiting from his sea-sickness, Sam drinks from a wineskin of fermented pepto-bismol given to him by Gilly. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Clarifying the rule for newer players - we had some debates previously on how to determine when a drink is alcoholic/non-alcoholic. That debate was inconclusive on where the line should be drawn (even if events like this may be "obvious"). So we went with implementing the easiest and most entertaining black & white rule: EVERY drink is counted as alcoholic, unless explicitly shown not to be (e.g. S2E9 Hound "fuck the water, bring me wine") -nyan

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
this rule was dumb last year and its still dumb. -christopher.ryan36

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2016 May 9 nyan likes this
It doesn't seem dumb to me. Why do you say that? -10100100101

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2016 May 9
The brief respite of drinking _anything_ is rare enough in Westeros as it is. -dopeghoti

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Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

5:39 (+5) Sansa Stark:

Sansa steals away Jon's mug of ale before he can even take an on-screen sip. Jon gets the last laugh as she coughs it back up. "You'd think after thousands of years, the Night's Watch would have learned how to make a good ale." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

35:48 (+5) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara forces Theon to drink while the fleet is docked.
Theon: "I don't want any."
Yara: "I don't care what you want. Drink." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 8: No One

7:07 (+5) Arya Stark:

Arya drinks a glass of milk of the poppy to settle her into sleep. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

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Don't the rules say to assume any drink not explicitly exposed to not be booze, is booze? That's why I made the aforementioned assumption. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 14
I think we're coalescing around... we know what it is (milk of the poppy), and from what we know of, it's not alcoholic. I think @jedjackoway's suggestion fits with the spirit of the drinking category in this case (being doped up on an opiate is similar to being drunk), but there could also be some issues with expanding to count drinks of other drugs that "mind alter" in dissimilar ways - for example consider Jaqen's special water that makes Arya go blind, or the Sand Snakes' poisons. -nyan

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2016 Jun 14
I thought book specific knowledge was excluded? Milk of the Poppy is basically morphine, but the show has never made that clear. -bookworm13457

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2016 Jun 14

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

40:23 (+5) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys drinks a glass of wine as Daario enters her chambers. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

55:58 (+15) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys emerges outside of the burning Temple of the Dosh Khaleen, with her clothes burned away, but unharmed. (Non-sexual Nude Scene)

Guess I was wrong about the actress saying no more nude scenes. Maybe she meant nude scenes where she isn't bathed in fire. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 righteous, nyan, jedjackoway like this
In response to the comment above this:

There is a interview with Emilia Clarke specifically about this scene. She agreed to do a nude scene if it was in private. So they filmed her I believe in Belfast on a "closed set" with only a couple of people. The rest of the scene was filmed in Spain I think and basically they used CGI to make it look like Khaleesi/Emilia was actually there with everyone else. -marksizzle

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2016 May 16 nyan and taylorreneegoodrich like this
We were actually debating at my viewing party if they CGI'ed her body and that's why the nudity was included.

Or maybe she was just trying to throw off Fantasora drafts!! -coconnor723

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Deaths

Episode 1: The Red Woman

27:43 (+10) Doran Martell:

Doran Martell bleeds out after being stabbed by Ellaria Sand. "When was the last time you left this palace? You don't know your own people. Their disgust for you. Elia Martell raped and murdered, and you did nothing. Oberyn Martell butchered, and you did nothing. You're not a Dornishman. You're not our Prince." (Death)

Isn't it 19 points for all of these characters because they get an extra point for every episode left in the season? (9) -tyler3005

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2016 Apr 26
I thought the same thing Tyler. I think it needs to be adjusted. I posed on the FB page about it. -marksizzle

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2016 Apr 26
It will be by the end of the season -moonbaseu92

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2016 Apr 26
The post-death points will be awarded in the subsequent episodes, so Doran and the rest will be getting 1pt each in E2, E3, ... thru E10. It'll be 19 points after it's all said and done, but as a sort of trickle-down consolation prize over the rest of the season while you're down a character. -nyan

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2016 Apr 26 tyler3005 likes this
Does Jon Snow get a point for being dead then? -cfitzgerald

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2016 Apr 27
@cfitzgerald check out the discussion at http://fantasora.com/event/1951. It's leaning towards not awarding the points since they are for the rest of the season after they die, and Jon Snow was officially recorded as dying in S5E10. -nyan

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2016 Apr 27

Episode 2: Home

+1 for Doran Martell

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

+1 for Doran Martell

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

+1 for Doran Martell

Episode 5: The Door

+1 for Doran Martell

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

+1 for Doran Martell

Episode 7: The Broken Man

+1 for Doran Martell

Episode 8: No One

+1 for Doran Martell

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

+1 for Doran Martell

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

17:25 (+10) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow is engulfed as the wildfire explosion rips through the floor of the Sept of Baelor. (Death)

22:19 (+10) Tommen Baratheon:

After witnessing the wildfire explosion at the Sept of Baelor, Tommen removes his crown and leaps from the balcony to his death. (Death)

26:42 (+0) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen's shrouded body is presented to Cersei. "He should be with his grandfather, his brother, his sister. Burn him and bury his ashes where the Sept once stood." (Dead Body Appearance)

+1 for Doran Martell

Special

Episode 1: The Red Woman

25:35 (+99) Doran Martell:

Doran 'Professor X' Martell turns out to not actually be a wheelchair-bound cripple at all - apparently he was just too lazy to walk anywhere during any part of S5. He takes thirty-two slow, gimpy steps along the way to his wheelchair. Then decides to adjust his dangling right foot for good measure, before fully sitting down.

5 steps in initial overhead scene (25:35)
7 steps to get up the stairs (25:40)
8 steps to the next set of stairs (25:47)
9 steps to the wheelchair (25:55)
3 steps to get in the wheelchair (26:06)
1 step to get his last dangling foot onto the wheelchair (26:11) (Special)

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This is why you should play Roto not direct scoring -moonbaseu92

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2016 Apr 27
This is the opposite of why you should play roto. With roto, whoever has Doran will have a huge advantage in upcoming episodes. With H2H the field is a bit more level next episode. -alicehanners

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2016 Apr 27
Both Roto and H2H have their own ways of dealing with an outsized scoring performance. For H2H, it only counts for 1 win whether you win by 3pts or 100pts, so Doran's performance is capped at 10% of the season and he now won't be contributing much else.

For Roto leagues, teams with Doran will now have a sizeable lead in the Specials category, but there's still time to make it up over the course of the rest of the season (e.g. if Hodor has a Hodor-outburst, it's probably in the same order of magnitude as Doran). Even if 1 performance is good enough to secure a whole category, it's still just 1 of 7 categories (worth ~14%), and Roto scoring is based off of the ranks - if you win a category by 3pts or 100pts, the 2nd-place team in that category is still just -1 roto points behind. -nyan

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2016 Apr 27 moonbaseu92 likes this

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

40:15 (+3) Arya Stark:

Waif: "Who else was on Arya Stark's funny little list?"
Arya: "Cersei Lannister. Gregor Clegane. Walder Frey." (Special)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

43:11 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon acts against his own self-interest, throwing away his own claim in support of his sister Yara ruling the Iron Islands. (Special)

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49:50 (+3) Sansa Stark:

One teardrop rolled down to her bottom cheek as she reads about Rickon's capture in Ramsay's letter to Jon Snow. (Special)

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Are you sure she wasn't salivating over that Night's Watch mutton? ? Will do a rewatch of this to check. -nyan

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2016 May 16 taylorreneegoodrich and golub.jake like this
It's after jon says "We don't know that" when she says "Yes we do" -rbxd187

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2016 May 16 nyan, golub.jake, taylorreneegoodrich like this
The tear that was promised. https://imgur.com/npVqeEm -nyan

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Incredible eagle eyes, @golub.jake -nyan

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2016 May 17

Episode 5: The Door

19:44 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon elects to stump for his sister Yara, after other some of the other Ironborn nominate him to inherit the Salt Throne. "I am Theon Greyjoy, last living son of Balon Greyjoy ... and she is your rightful ruler." (Special)

Episode 7: The Broken Man

35:42 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Yara forces Theon to drink while the fleet is docked.
Theon: "I don't want any."
Yara: "I don't care what you want. Drink." (Special)

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This should be scored for Yara, not Theon -moonbaseu92

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2016 Jun 6
It's for Theon's special, which is any time he acts against his own interest when instructed to by another -bookworm13457

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2016 Jun 6 jedjackoway likes this
In fairness, I don't think it was against Theon's best interest; it was against the lingering Reek's. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 6
This definitely should invoke his special ability. The ability is "when Theon acts against his own self-interest, due to someone else's instructions." He doesn't want to drink, that's his self-interest. he is forced to by his sister's instruction. -skywalkerdude

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2016 Jun 7 jedjackoway and alicehanners like this
My comment was in jest, sir or ma'am or other. -dopeghoti

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