And Now His Watch Is Ended...Maybe

Thrones-bowl #6

Owner: wpearsal

42 roto pts (#3)
Z-Score: 0.214 (percentile: 58.47%)
Weeks at #1: 3
Categories won: Deaths (100)
Best Week: Episode 2: Home (+11.5 roto points)
Team MVP: Ramsay Bolton (picked #8, 106 points, 30.9% of team total)

Roster Stats

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Ramsay Bolton The legitimized bastard son of Roose Bolton, now Warden of the North. He is fond of the Bolton tradition of flaying their enemies.	#8	106	52	18	12	5	5	11	3
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#9	76	19	15	0	0	0	15	27
High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	#24	45	5	24	6	0	0	10	0
Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun A Wildling Giant, who fought in the Battle of Hardhome and was one of the few to escape.	#41	32	18	0	0	0	0	11	3
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#57	28	0	0	0	0	0	28	0
Euron Greyjoy An uncle to Theon Greyjoy, Euron is an infamous pirate who has terrorized seas all around the world. He is described as cunning, ruthless, and with a touch of madness.	#25	28	10	6	12	0	0	0	0
Three-eyed raven A mysterious man who lives far north of the Wall with the Children of the Forest. He has been guiding Bran's dreams through the form of a three-eyed raven.	#40	15	0	0	0	0	0	15	0
Lyanna Stark Eddard Stark's sister. She was kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryen and subsequently died, which sparked Robert Baratheon and the Starks to rebel against he Targaryens.	#56	13	0	3	0	0	0	10	0
Totals		343	104	66	30	5	5	100	33

Roster

charId	Character	Special
87	Ramsay Bolton The legitimized bastard son of Roose Bolton, now Warden of the North. He is fond of the Bolton tradition of flaying their enemies.	+1 for each food item he punctures or slices +1 point for every scene featuring an act of torture.
7	Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	* Bran introducing himself into a scene by creepily staring at people * Summer's actions contribute to his points * Scores points for each scene where he breaks out of his tree-trance and shows any of the following emotions: sadness (visible tears), happiness (audible laughter or smiles with teeth), fear (audible screams) * Scores points for each instance he uses his Warg ability
192	High Sparrow The leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven. After being appointed as High Septon by Cersei Lannister, he has lead a sweeping inquiry to root out moral corruption in King's Landing, imprisoning Loras Tyrell, Margaery Tyrell, and Cersei Lannister.	1 politics point every time he (or Sparrows under his order) publicly out a named character for their sins
216	Euron Greyjoy An uncle to Theon Greyjoy, Euron is an infamous pirate who has terrorized seas all around the world. He is described as cunning, ruthless, and with a touch of madness.	+1 when he or his Ironborn is referenced as the "greatest" (including self-references) +1 for crude sexual remarks made about women he is courting
134	Three-eyed raven A mysterious man who lives far north of the Wall with the Children of the Forest. He has been guiding Bran's dreams through the form of a three-eyed raven.	+1 for forcibly pulling someone in or out of a vision [Ruleset 4.0+]
211	Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun A Wildling Giant, who fought in the Battle of Hardhome and was one of the few to escape.	+1 each time he is ineffectually attacked (hit and does not exhibit pain) [Ruleset 4.0+]
235	Lyanna Stark Eddard Stark's sister. She was kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryen and subsequently died, which sparked Robert Baratheon and the Starks to rebel against he Targaryens.
8	Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	+1 point for every scene where he has a speaking line Shaggydog's actions contribute to his points.

Kills

Episode 2: Home

11:17 (+2) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Weg rips down one of Ser Alliser Thorne's crossbowman from the battlements after he looses a bolt at him. He's smashed against the castle wall, and then thrown across the courtyard, prompting the rest of the Night's Watch to throw down their weapons. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

32:49 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay stabs his father Roose in the gut upon news that Fat Walda has borne Roose a second son. (Kill of Named Character)

37:07 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay offers up fresh meat to his hounds in the form of Fat Walda Frey. (Kill of Named Character)

37:07 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay offers up fresh meat to his hounds in the form of his newborn half-brother.
Fat Walda: "Please, Ramsay. He's your brother."
Ramsay: "I prefer being an only child." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Sadly Roose didn't stick around long enough to give the baby a name. Ramsay needs to think long-term strategy if he's going for the fantasy point crown. -nyan

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2016 May 2 bookworm13457, tyler3005, kmgiorgio, jedjackoway, 3 others like this
I was up against a Ramsay this week so I was holding my breath hoping he wouldn't name the kid before killing him -bookworm13457

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2016 May 2 thederekwilson, 10100100101, nyan like this
His thirst for blood rivals his "mad dogs" -10100100101

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2016 May 2

44:08 (+10) Euron Greyjoy:

Euron throws his brother Balon Greyjoy over the bridge at Pyke and into the sea. "I am the storm, brother. The first storm and the last. And you're in my way." (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

46:20 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay exposes his knowledge of Osha's loyalty to the Starks, stabbing her through the throat before she can assassinate him. (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 5: The Door

49:26 (+2) Bran Stark:

Summer leaps onto the second wight just before it attacks Meera Reed. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:10 (+2) Bran Stark:

Summer dives into the crowd of wights as Bran and company make their escape out of the Three-Eyed Raven's cavern. He lands on one wight but is quickly cut down by the horde. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

I don't think we actually see Summer kill any wights. -tbaum9842

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2016 May 23 nyan and ddenault85 like this
:( :( :( -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 23
Shouldn't we get credit for Summer's death too? -jamesrscottjr81

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2016 May 23
Bar is set fairly low for fights with henchmen/redshirts. From the rulebook spec: "Pretty much any kind of strike on random extras is counted for a kill unless the extra is shown to be explicitly alive after. This is applied often for large battle scenes." -nyan

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2016 May 23
Summer's death counted here: http://fantasora.com/event/2461 -nyan

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2016 May 23

53:44 (+5) Bran Stark:

Bran mentally debilitates a young Wylas by warging into him, offering him a glimpse of his future demise at the Door. (Major Injury of Named Character)

55:15 (+10) Bran Stark:

While warged in, Bran forces Hodor to hold the Door against the horde of wights as he and Meera make their escape, sacrificing him in the process. (Kill of Named Character)

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@Lem Bran only half-consciously controlling the Hodors sounds like a good argument for excluding it as a betrayal. It's ambiguous even to what extent Bran is aware of how he is controlling things (both in past vision and real world), and thus it's hard to say he betrayed anyone in his subconscious (intent should matter for betrayals, else klutzy chars like Podrick would be "betraying" friends with their screwups all the time). -nyan

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2016 May 26
Really good perspectives you both brought up about the kills. I think bookworm is right that we should try to exclude intent - can of worms as you say, and accidental kills should definitely be possible.

Thinking through this, it does feel like there should be some criteria that allows for putting someone into a situation where they'll definitely be killed. Scar flinging Mufasa down to the stampeding buffalo in Long King comes to mind - no control over the actual killers there, but the death doesn't happen without Scar's direct action. From a pedantic perspective this could apply to Balon's death as well - even if it's the ocean that drowned him, it was Euron's throw that put him into that situation (and scorekeeping is all about pedantry =P).

I think we can expand on kills commanded here and ultimately include those under a subset of "inevitable death situation" rules:
I. The killer forces the victim into the situation against their will
II. The situation leads to *inevitable* death
II.I. The entity or force that directly kills the victim needs no skill or decision-making to make the kill, aside from following the commands of the killer.
III. The directly killer still gets rewarded duplicate kill points, if applicable.

What that means for the scenarios we've talked about:
1. Executions like Ned's and Fat Walda's (previously covered by Commanded Kills) are included, since the victims are imprisoned (forced into situation), and could do nothing to avoid death (inevitable). This should be the same whether it was a human killer (Ilyn Payne), controlled animals (Ramsay's hounds), as neither needed skill or decision-making (aside from following commands).

2. Scar throwing Mufasa into a canyon of stampeding buffalo is also included. Even without directly controlling the physical killers, the inevitability and lack of skill/decision-making is the same. Imagine if Ramsay throws Fat Walda into a pit of snakes instead.

3. Pushing the victim into a sword held by someone else would be a more nuanced case. As mentioned above, we don't want to get into judging the intent of the indirect killer here:

3a. The victim is shoved toward the sword-holder, who happens to have his sword positioned in a way that impales the victim. Included for the person-pusher, as no skill/decision or even actions were taken by the sword-holder. This would be the same as if the sword-holder was instead a jagged rock.

3b. The victim is shoved in the direction of the sword-holder, who must aim and position his weapon precisely to impale the victim. This would be excluded for the person-pusher, as it required skill/decision-making on the part of the sword-holder.

4. Most "noble suicides" are excluded by criteria I, because the victim willingly put themselves in it (still counted if they are physically killed by their own action, like Leaf's hand grenade).

5. In all above scenarios, the direct killer (Ilyn, Ramsay's hound, sword-holder) still gets credit. -nyan

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2016 May 26 dopeghoti likes this
I think that's definitely a fair way to approach it -bookworm13457

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2016 May 26

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

35:26 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay shoots down Rickon Stark with his longbow after giving him a chance to run to freedom towards the Stark army. "Do you like games, little man? Let's play a game. Run to your brother. The sooner you make it to him, the sooner you get to see him again. That's it. That's the game." (Kill of Named Character)

Rickon deserved what he got for not having the awareness to not run in a straight frelling line. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 21
Ramsay should also be given political points for this kill. Sansa even says it herself - "Rickon is Ned Stark's trueborn son, which makes him a greater threat to Ramsay than you, a bastard, or me, a girl." -ian.weinstein13

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2016 Jun 21 twalters likes this
Confirmed -> Ramsey is Jigsaw. Do you want to play a game? -jimwangerin

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2016 Jun 21 twalters and nyan like this
This is absolutely torture, Ramsay should get special points for this. -alicehanners

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2016 Jun 21 twalters, tevin, camille.dupont like this
run in a serpentine like pattern rickon! he did not -crisbell22

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2016 Jun 23

42:00 (+2) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Wun bitch slaps a beheaded Bolton rider and his horse into oblivion as they charge into battle. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Get out the way! http://i.imgur.com/o8AODqU -nyan

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2016 Jun 21
The dude was already missing his head. Wun Wun should get two fewer points. He only killed the horse. Though does that even count for points? Did Benjen get points for killing a rabbit? -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 22 nyan likes this
Forever impressed by how diligent you guys are. Yes it was a headless horseman! https://i.imgur.com/Tb01gQN.png

And yes, animal kills count as well. Here's Benjen's rabbit kill: http://fantasora.com/event/2597 -nyan

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2016 Jun 22
I can't take too much credit for it. I thought something was up with that rider when I first watched, but Reddit did the real legwork -alexanderdropkin

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2016 Jun 23

43:38 (+10) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Wun smacks away 5 soldiers on the frontline of the Bolton shield formation. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Counted by the five toppled shields after Wun Wun's hit: https://i.imgur.com/YzR2lEu -nyan

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2016 Jun 21
While this was cool, sorely missed the tree-equipped Wun Wun last year that just swatted away hordes of wights at Hardhome like nothing. -nyan

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2016 Jun 21 Lem Lemoncake, paolarodelas, alicehanners like this
Yeah, he seemed like a someone extremely unmotivated at playing whatever they played. I don't quite understand why he didn't throw the thousands of corpses that were all around him into the shieldwalls or simply jumped lol -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 21
I thought wun weg was sweet, and it basically explained how bad jon's plan was. He rushed in basically knowing he was gonna lose. Losing didnt seem important to wun. being on the right side, and maybe some added significance that he really knows who the true enemy is. just my humble opinion -crisbell22

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2016 Jun 23

43:40 (+2) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

After swiping away a hole in the Bolton shield formation, Wun Wun plucks a Bolton soldier out from the interior line and flings him into the air. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

44:25 (+2) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Wun plucks another Bolton soldier out of the shield formation, ripping him in half with his bare hands. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:31 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay fires the fatal arrow through the eye of Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun, killing the giant at last. (Kill of Named Character)

He was already pretty much dead, dunno if he should get credit? -xdwxrd

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2016 Jun 20
Pretty much dead != dead. Ramsay fired the final arrow the killed him. -twalters

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2016 Jun 20 jedjackoway, righteous, alexanderdropkin like this
Finishing blow gets all the XP and loot! Kill-stealing bastard. -nyan

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2016 Jun 20 mg.flanigan11, Lem Lemoncake, twalters, alexanderdropkin like this
Ramsay was on point with his last hits. Resurrection time? Deuce. -mg.flanigan11

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2016 Jun 20 twalters likes this
Poor giant. :( -xdwxrd

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2016 Jun 21 twalters likes this

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

9:05 (+5) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow orders the seven-pointed star to be carved into Loras Tyrell's forehead after his confessions, as a symbol of his sins and newfound faith in the Seven.
Margaery Tyrell: "You mutilated him. You gave me your word." (Major Injury of Named Character)

How is this a kill? -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
Shouldn't Lancel or the Sparrow cutting get the points? -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
That requires some skill -tylermanhart

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2016 Jun 28
These are major injury points, since the disfigurement is permanent. Lancel gets credit for the same (right below this one). Lancel's is the direct action, and the High Sparrow is the commanded one (since Lancel is a prisoner and willingly submits, it's regarded as "unskilled"). -nyan

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2016 Jun 28

Political Wins

Episode 2: Home

5:31 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers Hodor's real name - Willas - and that he used to be able to talk while going back to the future with the Three-Eyed Raven. (Secret Discovery)

32:49 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay stabs his father Roose in the gut upon news that Fat Walda has borne Roose a second son.
Roose: "You'll always be my first born."
Ramsay: "Thank you for saying that. It means a great deal to me." (Act of Betrayal)

35:30 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay leads Fat Walda Frey and his newborn half-brother to a kennel full of his hungry hounds instead of to Lord Bolton. "Of course. Follow me mother." (Act of Betrayal)

36:13 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay becomes the new Lord Bolton after killing his father, Roose.
Fat Walda Frey: "Where is Lord Bolton?"
Ramsay: "I am Lord Bolton." (New Title)

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

37:21 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces Tommen Baratheon to stand down his demands for his mother's entry into the Sept to see Myrcella.
High Sparrow: "A true leader avails himself of the wisest counsel he can. And no one is wiser than the Gods."
Tommen: "My grandfather once said something similar. Except for the part about the Gods."
High Sparrow: "The Gods worked through him whether he knew it or not. As they work through your mother. There's so much good in all of us. The best we can do is to help each other bring it out." (Convincing Argument)

45:30 (+6) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay takes Osha and Rickon Stark as prisoners, after they are turned over to him by Smalljon Umber. (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 5: The Door

17:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers the origins of the White Walkers - created by the Children of the Forest - during a warg visit to the past.
Bran: "It was you. You made the White Walkers."
Leaf: "We were at war. We were being slaughtered. Our sacred trees cut down. We needed to defend ourselves." (Secret Discovery)

23:15 (+3) Euron Greyjoy:

Euron wins over the Ironborn caucus, despite Yara Greyjoy's early superdelegate boost from Theon. "I wasn't born to be king. I paid the iron price. And here I stand." (Convincing Argument)

24:55 (+3) Euron Greyjoy:

Euron survives a near-drowning baptism by the Drowned God, and is crowned with a bundle of sticks as the new King of the Iron Islands. (New Title)

45:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran's status as the Three Eyed Raven is confirmed by Benjen: "You are the Three-Eyed Raven now." (New Title)

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53:44 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers the origin of Hodor's name and condition during a visit to Winterfell's past where he wargs into a young Wylas and gives him a vision of his ultimate demise years in the future at the Door. (Secret Discovery)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

10:24 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow convinces King Tommen to allow Margaery to proceed with her Walk of Atonement.
Tommen: "Is there no other way? ... It just seems very dangerous."
High Sparrow: "She'll be protected the entire way. The Faith Militant are very stern with those who overstep their bounds." (Convincing Argument)

30:28 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow announces Margaery's crimes to the masses gathered at the Sept of Baelor. "Rich or poor, noble or common, if we sin, we must atone. Margaery of House Tyrell came to us a sinner. She stood before the gods in the holy sept and lied. She turned a blind eye to her brother's sins. She disgraced her house, her King, and herself." (Politics Special)

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What about everytime he deescalates a confrontation? He's done that basically every episode. -julian.aronowitz

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2016 Jun 1
Proposition for new Sparrow special, using others who have multiple triggers as a template:
+1 each time the High Sparrow publicly outs a draftable character's sins or crimes
+1 each time he deescalates an impending violent conflict
+1 each time he makes specific reference to his past as a cobbler, or his current barefootedness. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 1 as38, julian.aronowitz, Ser Vincent, nyan like this
I think it's definitely good to count this even if he has already publicly outed Margaery as a sinner. It's exactely this obnoxious way of using every situation to make every last person aware of the sinner that is his speciality. It's like Daenerys repeating her titles over and over again and I'm sure there are more examples.
I assume the repetition came up here because of the question if kills that have already been shown should count if they reappear in Bran's visions? There I would disagree, but to me these are two entirely different things. It might help to step out of the scoring framework for an instant and think about how you experience these different acts while watching the episodes (without having the fantasy league in mind :D).

Maybe, it might also help to think in terms of plot and story. A kill happens once in the story, but the plot may deliver information about that at another time within the narrative - or even multiple times. The High Sparrow's multiple announcements do actually happen that often. Furthermore, it's not about revealing a secret, it's the act of denouncing he likes so much :)

At least that's my understanding of the way this game works, hah. Correct me if I'm wrong :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 1

36:49 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow picks up an ownership stake in King's Landing after announcing a joint venture with Tommen Baratheon to make the Seven Kingdoms great again.
High Sparrow: "Together we announce a new age of harmony. A holy alliance between the Crown and the Faith."
Tommen: "The Crown and the Faith are the twin pillars upon which the world rests. Together we will restore the Seven Kingdoms to glory." (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

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Definitely a huge coup for him this episode. Aside from getting Margaery/Tommen on his side, it was hard to pinpoint something concrete for this new "holy alliance", e.g. did he get promoted to a Pope Sparrow, or is he now effectively in control of King's Landing as you say (technically it should still be Tommen). -nyan

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2016 Jun 1
i think it is both tommen and the high sparrow in control of kings landing, the crown and the faith, tommen didnt lose kings landing he merely entered a joint venture with the high sparrow for shared control -as38

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2016 Jun 1 nyan likes this
Tommen didn't lose titular control over King's Landing (and indeed the Seven Kingdoms), but the High Sparrow is certainly going to take advantage of Tommen coming under his metaphorical wing. So to speak. Definitely a gain for the High Sparrow, but not a loss for Tommen per se. -dopeghoti

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36:52 (+6) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow announces the latest high-profile devotees to sign onto Team Sparrow, in a joint press conference with Tommen Baratheon and Margaery Tyrell.

"Queen Margaery has already atoned for her sins by bringing another into the true light of the Seven. Together we announce a new age of harmony. A holy alliance between the Crown and the Faith." (New Follower/Prisoner)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

44:42 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay's forces successfully surround the Stark army, trapping them between a shield-and-spear formation of Bolton soldiers, and a huge mound of corpses defended by Umber and Karstark forces. (Victorious Battle)

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

8:37 (+3) High Sparrow:

Loras renounces his claims to House Tyrell and swears himself to the High Sparrow and the Faith of the Seven.
Loras Tyrell: "I will abandon the Tyrell name and all that goes with it. I will renounce my lordship and my claims on Highgarden. I will never marry and I will never father children."
High Sparrow: "Brother Loras, I ask you to dedicate your life to the Seven Gods. Will you fight to defend your faith against heretics and apostates?"
Loras Tyrell: "I will." (New Follower/Prisoner)

10:04 (+3) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow reneges on his agreement to release Loras Tyrell after his confessions (presumably unharmed).
Margaery Tyrell: "You mutilated him. You gave me your word."
High Sparrow: "And I have kept my word. Once the Queen Mother's trial is concluded, Brother Loras is free to leave." (Act of Betrayal)

56:48 (+3) Lyanna Stark:

Ned arrives to the top of the tower, where he discovers that his sister Lyanna has just given birth to a baby Jon Snow. (New Follower/Prisoner)

57:13 (+3) Bran Stark:

Through a warg flashback, Bran discovers Jon Snow's true heritage as the son of Lyanna Stark. (Secret Discovery)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 2: Home

18:20 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Jaime Lannister, as his Sparrows circle in: "Every one of us is poor and powerless. And yet, together, we can overthrow an empire." (Threat)

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36:46 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay rejects Fat Walda Frey's please for her son's life.
Fat Walda: "Please, Ramsay. He's your brother."
Ramsay: "I prefer being an only child." (Threat)

Is this really a threat? This seems like a very explicit "I'm going to kill you guys now."

Would a character saying "now, die!" while delivering a killing blow count as a threat? This feels like that to me. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 2 Lem Lemoncake, bookworm13457, moonbaseu92 like this
"Now, die!", "You're an idiot", or other plainly-spoken lines aren't good enough for this category. I think "I prefer being an only child" is not quite as literal/plain as any of those examples - it's like a trivialization of Fat Walda's pleas for her sons life that shows how coldly sociopathic Ramsay is (his simple *preference* outweighs the life of a baby). But beyond wether the line is literal or plain, we'll certainly listen to feedback on whether a line passes the subjective quality bar. -nyan

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2016 May 2
If it doesn't count as a threat it should count as wit. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 2 10100100101 likes this
I think that makes sense. From that definition of threat, this seems legit. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 3

42:13 (+3) Euron Greyjoy:

to Balon Greyjoy: "I am the storm, brother. The first storm and the last. And you're in my way." (Threat)

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Episode 3: Oathbreaker

44:55 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Smalljon Umber: "Fuck kneeling, and fuck oaths. I've got a gift for you."
Ramsay: "A girl, I hope. I prefer redheads." (Funny Line)

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

48:47 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay sends a letter to Jon Snow, demanding Sansa back:

"Keep her from me and I will ride north and slaughter every wildling man, woman, and babe living under your protection. You will watch as I skin them living. You will watch as my soldiers take turns raping your sister. You will watch as my dogs devour your wild little brother. Then I will spoon your eyes from their sockets and let my dogs do the rest. Come and see." (Threat)

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The letter should definitely count. But it should count once, since that Khal threatening Dany to suffer various rapes counts once as well. -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 May 16 as38 likes this
I don't know, Ramsay definitely threatened each character uniquely. Khal Moro was threatening the same person with the same act, but multiple times. I don't think that's equivalent. -theripleymanor

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2016 May 17
It seems like it could be summed up as ultimately a threat to Jon. "You will watch as... [terrible stuff happens to Sansa]. You will watch as... [terrible stuff happens to Rickon]. Then I will spoon your eyes from their sockets..." The threat is the emotional torture that he will put Jon through after he's defeated. -nyan

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2016 May 17

Episode 5: The Door

20:40 (+3) Euron Greyjoy:

"Little Theon. Heard you managed to fuck things right into the ground. Captured a castle you couldn't keep. Got yourself taken prisoner. Even heard you have no cock. Explains why you think a woman can be king." (Witty Insult)

Surely this is two, one against theon and one against yara -lordsparrington

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2016 May 23 wpearsal, dneanover, paolarodelas, alicehanners like this
I don't see how that's two, he is talking to Theon. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 23 nyan likes this
Even if it were directed to both of them, one thing that's insulting to two people is still just one insult. -dopeghoti

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2016 May 23 nyan likes this

21:59 (+3) Euron Greyjoy:

Theon: "Last I heard, you were gallivanting around the world having a grand old time."
Euron: "Gallivanting? That the sort of thing you start to say once your dick gets chopped off?" (Witty Insult)

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22:58 (+3) Euron Greyjoy:

"I'm going to build that fleet, and I'm going to gallivant right over and give it (the Iron Fleet) to Daenarys Targaryen, along with my big cock!" (Witty Insult)

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Episode 7: The Broken Man

9:22 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Margaery: "The Queen of Thorns is a remarkable woman, a strong woman. And an unrepentant sinner. You must teach her the new one, as she taught you the old, or I fear for her safety, body and soul." (Threat)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

0:00 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

to Jon Snow and his men: "My dogs are desperate to meet you. I haven't fed them for seven days. They're ravenous. I wonder which parts they'll try first. Your eyes? Your balls? We'll find out soon enough. In the morning, then, bastard." (Threat)

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Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

43:07 (+5) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay drinks while hearing a proposal from Smalljon Umber (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

45:55 (+5) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay gets a handy prelude from Osha, before surprising her with some intense penetration. (Act of Intercourse)

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Deaths

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

46:00 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber brings Ramsay the severed head of Rickon Stark's direwolf, Shaggydog, to prove his prisoner's identity. (Death)

Does Rickon get +1 point per episode for dead Shaggydog going forward? I'm not sure how this works -apayne270

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2016 May 9 dopeghoti, julian.aronowitz, jedjackoway like this
Yes, Shaggydog gets scored just like regular characters except his points are given to Rickon. So if Rickon dies next episode, he'll be in a unique position to be receiving +2 post-episode death points thereafter. -nyan

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2016 May 9 apayne270 likes this
I'm not convinced this is actually Shaggydog. What if it turns out to be another direwolf later? -nsimmonds

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2016 May 9 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), Lem Lemoncake, nyan like this
@nsimmonds this is my hunch as well... I'm expecting to have a big debate over this if it comes to pass, and unfortunately we don't have good precedents for what too do about it. There was a switcheroo for Theon's kill of the farmboys in S2, but that was during a rewatch so we knew it happened, and didn't grant the scores accordingly. -nyan

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2016 May 9
It makes no sense to fake Shaggydog but deliver the real Rickon. The only reason to fake Shaggydog would be if the whole thing is a ruse...if you're only going to fake half, clearly you fake Rickon and keep the real maybe-last-surviving-Stark safe. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 9 bookworm13457 likes this
Pretty much we have to count the points here, the severed head is about as confirmed dead as you can get (else we second-guess every death on the show). The two options I can think of are:

1. Retroactively remove the points if the ruse is revealed later. Potentially upsets expectations if it changes scoring/wins from a long time ago (and what about season-spanning deception?)

2. Count the kills/death as they are apparently, and let the points stick. This allows for the same Characters to get multiple kill/death points, which was previously only allowed for very special cases (Jaqen H'ghar, Beric Dondarrion). Only exception is if the reveal happens in the same episode.

Leaning towards the second, as it's the easier way to keep consistent scoring (and not risk spoilers for late-watchers). -nyan

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2016 May 9

Episode 4: Book of the Stranger

+1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 5: The Door

51:13 (+10) Bran Stark:

Summer is cut down by a horde of wights in the Three-Eyed Raven's cavern as Bran, Meera, and Hodor make their escape. (Death)

51:57 (+10) Three-eyed raven:

The Three-Eyed Raven is cut down by the White Walker King after the White Walkers and their wights invade his cavern. "The time has come. Leave me." (Death)

+1 for Rickon Stark

Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

+1 for Bran Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Three-eyed raven

Episode 7: The Broken Man

+1 for Bran Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Three-eyed raven

Episode 8: No One

+1 for Bran Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Three-eyed raven

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

14:39 (+0) Rickon Stark:

Smalljon Umber tosses out Shaggydog's severed head to prove to Jon and Sansa that they have Rickon as their prisoner. (Dead Body Appearance)

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Just out of curiosity: When Robb's corpse with Grey Wind's head sewn on top of it is shown, would Robb receive double points? :D -Lem Lemoncake

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2016 Jun 22 nyan and dopeghoti like this
I'd say so. One score for Robb, and one score for Grey Wind, who scores for Robb. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22
I'm so glad we changed the death scoring to this from the automatic 1pt. The scoring possibilities for the rewatch are going to be delicious. -nyan

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2016 Jun 22 Lem Lemoncake likes this

35:44 (+10) Rickon Stark:

Rickon is killed by an arrow through his chest by Ramsay Bolton, after being given a chance to run to freedom towards the Stark army. (Death)

51:38 (+10) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

An arrow-riddled Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun is finished off by an arrow through the eye from Ramsay Bolton shortly after he bashes down the Winterfell gates to allow the rest of the Wildling and Stark forces through. (Death)

57:53 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay is eaten alive by his own hounds after he is imprisoned with them in the kennels of Winterfell. (Death)

+1 for Bran Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Three-eyed raven

Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

17:25 (+10) High Sparrow:

The High Sparrow is engulfed as the wildfire explosion rips through the floor of the Sept of Baelor. (Death)

56:30 (+10) Lyanna Stark:

Lyanna dies in the tower shortly after giving birth to Jon Snow. (Death)

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Dammit show writers, you'd think with an extended episode they could give Lyanna a dignified dying breath shot and make my fantasy scorekeeping life easier. ? -nyan

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2016 Jun 28 stephen.davignon likes this
Further thought:

I really don't think this should score.

If we aren't super picky about *seeing* the death in flashbacks, then we can potentially construe any flashback of a known dead character we haven't scored yet to be a death, since we can extrapolate that they died from there. That's obviously absurd.

Therefore, it seems like we want the bar for confirmation for deaths in flashbacks to be higher than deaths in the present. -jedjackoway

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2016 Jun 28
Definitely we should avoid scoring any flashbacks deaths just because we know they are dead in present-time. In this case, I think all the blood + dialogue (Ned says "You're not going to die" but then Lyanna rejects his attempts to save her) gives just enough evidence to score it as a death even as a normal scene. It's a borderline one for sure, and I think you'll find scenes like a defeated Sandor Clegane just on the other side of that line. -nyan

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2016 Jun 28 jedjackoway likes this

+1 for Bran Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Rickon Stark, +1 for Ramsay Bolton, +1 for Three-eyed raven, +1 for Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun

Special

Episode 2: Home

2:33 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into the weirwood net with the assistance of the Three-Eyed Raven, and visits a scene of a yound Ned and Benjen Stark play-fighting in Winterfell. (Special)

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We see Bran Warging in the beginning of the episode. He lets go (that's 1).

Then we see him Warg again, into the Ned/Willis Scene (That's 2). -klov3r

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2016 May 3
warg -emilien.raggi

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2016 May 3
@klov3r I don't think there was anything aside from the flashback to Winterfell scene. We get the GoT title sequence, then a fade-in of Bran and Three-Eyed Raven stoned out among the weirwood branches with their eyes whited out. Then we just cut immediately to Ned and Benjen fighting. -nyan

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2016 May 3

Episode 3: Oathbreaker

12:24 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran visits a scene from the past, watching his father Eddard Stark and his bannermen face off against two Targaryen Kingsguard. (Special)

Episode 5: The Door

16:02 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into the weirwood.net with the Three-Eyed Raven to revisit a scene with the Children of the Forest at the Weirwood tree. (Special)

36:51 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into weirwood.net while the Three-Eyed Raven is asleep, jumping into a vision of a frozen wasteland surrounded by wights and the White Walkers. (Special)

47:25 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran has a vision of the day his young father departed Winterfell for the Vale. (Special)

50:27 (+3) Bran Stark:

While embedded in a vision of Winterfell's past, Bran subconsciously wargs into Hodor in the present time so that they can escape from the White Walker horde approaching the cavern of the Three-Eyed Raven. (Special)

53:44 (+3) Bran Stark:

While visiting a flashback in Winterfell's past, Bran wargs into a young Wylas, giving him a vision of his present day demise while holding the Door to allow Bran and Meera time to escape the White Walker horde. (Special)

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Episode 6: Blood of My Blood

2:20 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran progresses through a series of flashback visions as Meera drags him throw the snow. (Special)

Episode 9: Battle of the Bastards

0:00 (+3) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Wun emerges from the battle impaled by numerous arrow wounds, but valiantly follows Jon and Tormund as they track down a retreating Ramsay. (Special)

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I definitely think so. I think the argument against this was that we didn't see the arrows go in, but we saw the arrows "loosed" and then saw him full of arrows.

I think, for instance, in the season where Joffrey kills Roz, it shows her full of arrows right after he is done shooting her, and he has the crossbow. Just because we don't specifically see it doesn't mean it wouldn't count as him killing her. Same logic applies, you see the weapon, you see the injury, just because you don't see the exact second of arrow penetration doesn't mean it shouldn't logically count. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 Jun 21 emilien.raggi and jedjackoway like this
The criteria for each category is a little different, so I wouldn't automatically use the Kills rules for Wun Wun's special. A character with an empty glass for example, never gets an implied drink score.

I suppose this is moot now that Wun Wun's gone, but I would think about how you would want to reward Wun Wun's scenes. He's a big target, so him getting hit by arrows in a battle is inevitable. The S6E2 scene where he gets hit by the crossbow, shrugs it off, and completely wastes the guy who shot him is sort of the prototypical scene for this special - should the off-screen arrow hits be rewarded the same way?

Also I've been doing a Wun Wun-only rewatch of the battle scenes, and there is actually one other spear jab that I found towards the end of the encirclement. He actually screams in pain from that one, so perhaps it isn't automatic that "Wun Wun has arrows in him" => "he shrugged them off". -nyan

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2016 Jun 21
I mean, if I was that full of arrows I wouldn't still be going full tilt towards the gates of Winterfell. Just because we didn't see them go in doesn't mean none of them should count, especially when he is still being completely bad ass with them in. I would say that is the equivalent of shrugging off an injury, he definitely keeps playing through the pain. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 Jun 22 emilien.raggi likes this
I'd say, since we did see the Wun Wun with the arrows in him, and this _is_ his special, at least some of them should count. I think though that's it's also fair to say that by the time he had breached the gate of Winterfell, that they were taking a toll, so were no longer being 'shrugged off'. -dopeghoti

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2016 Jun 22
like taylorreneegodrich and dopeghoti -emilien.raggi

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2016 Jun 22

35:26 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay releases Rickon Stark, and taunts him by allowing him to run to the Stark side while he attempts to shoot him down with his longbow. (Special)

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Episode 10: The Winds of Winter

54:37 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran attempts his first weirwood.net session since leaving the cavern of the Three-Eyed Raven, flashing back to his father at the tower holding Lyanna Stark.
Meera Reed: "Are you sure you're ready for this?"
Bran: "I'm the Three-Eyed Raven now. I have to be ready for this." (Special)

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