Matchup: Joffrey's Only Friend vs Inglorious Basterds for Ep 7

House Hamilton Season 5

Joffrey's Only Friend (margaret.doolin14)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Deaths
Stannis Baratheon The eldest brother of King Robert, he is the rightful heir to the Irone Throne.	#8	3	3	0
Barristan Selmy The former Lord Commander of the Kingsguard of Robert and Joffrey Baratheon. After being dismissed by King Joffrey, he joins Daenerys to serve as her advisor and Queensguard.	#24	1	0	1
Loras Tyrell The heir to Highgarden and regarded as one of the most skilled knights in Westeros. He is the brother of Margaery Tyrell.	#25	0	0	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities.	#72	0	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the Head of House Clegane, bannermen to the Lannisters. He was called back to King's Landing by Cersei to fight as the Crown's champion in Tyrion's trial.	#73	0	0	0
Meryn Trant A member of the Kingsguard, sworn to protect the King.	#56	0	0	0
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three children. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.	#9	0	0	0
Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, he is a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall.	#57	0	0	0
Selyse Baratheon Lord Stannis Baratheon's wife. She is a strong believer in the new faith of the red priestess Melisandre, who follows the Lord of Light.	#40	0	0	0
Grand Maester Pycelle The Grand Maester of the Seven Kingdoms. Pycelle is highly educated and serves as an advisor to the King.	#41	0	0	0
Totals		4	3	1

Inglorious Basterds (clark.louie)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Deaths	Special
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon is currently a captive of Ramsay Bolton.	#27	9	0	3	0	6
Ramsay Bolton The legitimized bastard son of Roose Bolton, now Warden of the North. He is fond of the Bolton tradition of flaying their enemies.	#22	7	4	3	0	0
Lancel Lannister A cousin of the Lannister children.	#54	3	0	3	0	0
Sansa Stark The second eldest Stark child. Though currently married to Tyrion Lannister, she has been smuggled into the Vale by Littlefinger, where she poses as his niece, Alayne Stone.	#11	3	0	0	0	3
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and a member of the Night's Watch. He helped lead the defense of Castle Black against the Wildling siege.	#6	3	0	3	0	0
Janos Slynt A member of the Night's Watch. Slynt formerly served as Commander of the City Watch, before he was removed from the post and exiled by Tyrion Lannister.	#70	1	0	0	1	0
Roose Bolton Lord of House Bolton, and Warden of the North after his betrayal of Robb Stark at the Red Wedding. He is the father of Ramsay Bolton, who is his bastard son.	#59	0	0	0	0	0
Mace Tyrell The head of House Tyrell and Lord of Highgarden. He is the father of Loras and Margaery.	#75	0	0	0	0	0
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of slaves freed by Daenerys.	#38	0	0	0	0	0
Areo Hotah The personal bodyguard for Doran Martell.	#43	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		26	4	12	1	9

Kills

8:12 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Sansa emerges from her bed, showing the bruises that have been inflicted on her by Ramsay. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

15:42 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay has the old woman who attempted to help Sansa flayed and killed. "Tough old bird. Everyone talks when I start peeling them. But this one, her heart gave out before I even got to her face." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Isn't that an act of torture? -chadhazellief

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2015 May 26
It would be, but I'm not sure about counting it as it happened off-screen. The kills were counted based on the prior precedent that dead bodies + explanation on how they were killed is good enough to count as a kill. But should off-screen torture count for Ramsay's special? "+1 point for every scene featuring an act of torture."

Submit it and see what others think? -nyan

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2015 May 26 chadhazellief likes this
Yeah, I think there's a reasonable debate on both sides of this. I think if Ramsay simply *said* he killed these people, it wouldn't count. However in this case, we're shown all three flayed bodies in the scene preceding this one. So the precedent would be that we are shown bodies + details of the kill (enough to confirm the killer).

You said that week 3 and he got like 16 points -chadhazellief

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2015 May 27
That precedent still holds for Kills. I'm wondering if it's something that should be extended to the Specials category as well. Some things to run through the thought experiment:

* If Sansa says that she "cried all night", and looks sad (but not crying), would she get a special point?
* If Brienne yells at Podrick "I can't believe you burned down the tent last night!", but we never see the burning (only the charred tent), does it count?

Hmm, as I think of it more... we give Sex points for the scenes where they're just in bed afterwards, too. I think you have a good case that the torture should count. Go ahead and submit them in! -nyan

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Political Wins

5:18 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow is given a dragonglass dagger by Samwell Tarly, in the event that he needs to fend off the White Walkers. (Politics - uncategorized)

10:01 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

After promising to help Sansa Stark light a signal candle at the top of the broken tower, Reek instead goes directly to Ramsay Bolton to inform him of Sansa's plot. (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by wpearsal (approved!)

It seemed like Ramsay was a little surprised when Theon showed up, and I had thought Theon just got busted and had to confess at that point. If Theon went straight to Ramsay with the intention of telling him about Sansa's plot though, I agree it would be a betrayal. I'll have to watch the scene again, but how did others interpret the scene? -nyan

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2015 May 26
Ramsay was not dining in the broken tower. They filmed it to make it appear as though Reek was going to the tower, but he wasn't. Nobody uses the tower. The top room is an attic-y thing, remember? That's where Bran caught Jaime and Cersei. So yeah, Reek deliberately betrayed Sansa. -alicehanners

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2015 May 27 moonbaseu92 likes this
Yeah @alicehanners and @wpearsal, you both are right. Totally misinterpreted the scene on my first watching. This will count as a betrayal. -nyan

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2015 May 27
Should he also get points for "betraying" the old lady? Although I'm not sure how he found out who the "friend" of Sansa was. Maybe credit to the show writers for that plot hole. -moonbaseu92

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2015 May 27
The old lady never trusted Reek, so it wouldn't count as a betrayal for her. -nyan

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10:03 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay discovers Sansa's attempt to call for help after he encounters Reek at the top of the broken tower, prepared to light a signal candle. (Politics - uncategorized)

18:26 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis orders his army to march on through the winter storm, against Ser Davos' counsel.
Davos Seaworth: "It's better to wait for the right time than risk everything."
Stannis: "This is the right time and I will risk everything. Because if I don't, we've lost. We march to victory or we march to defeat. But we go forward. Only forward." (Politics - uncategorized)

58:03 (+3) Lancel Lannister:

Lancel confesses his and Cersei's sins to the High Sparrow.
High Sparrow: "A young man (Lancel) came to us not long ago. Broken in body and spirit. He had so much to strip away. So much weighing him down. But piece by piece, he unburdened himself. Let go of vanity, pride, sin. Now his soul is so light, he will float through the Seven Heavens like a bird. Hmm. And he has much to say about you." (Politics - uncategorized)

Deaths

+1 for Barristan Selmy, +1 for Janos Slynt

Special

7:41 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

to Sansa: "I'm not Theon, m'lady. I'm Reek." (Special)

8:39 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Sansa: "Promise me, Theon."
Reek: "Reek! My name is Reek." (Special)

16:32 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Sansa cries as Ramsay Bolton presents her with the flayed body of the old Winterfell woman who promised to help her. (Special)

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