Matchup: The Bastard of Driftmark is coming for you vs Drogon's Baby Back Ribs for Ep 3

Casterly Sellsword (Public #36)

The Bastard of Driftmark is coming for you (joshjburns1)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Deaths	Special
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and a member of the Night's Watch. He helped lead the defense of Castle Black against the Wildling siege.	#3	27	10	6	3	5	0	0	3
Tommen Baratheon The new King of the Seven Kingdoms.	#30	16	0	3	3	5	5	0	0
Stannis Baratheon The eldest brother of King Robert, he is the rightful heir to the Irone Throne.	#14	9	0	0	6	0	0	0	3
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities.	#46	5	2	0	3	0	0	0	0
Mance Rayder A former member of the Night's Watch, Mance leads a united Wildling army as the King Beyond the Wall. Following the Battle at Castle Black however, his forces were defeated and he was captured by Stannis Baratheon.	#19	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	0
Barristan Selmy The former Lord Commander of the Kingsguard of Robert and Joffrey Baratheon. After being dismissed by King Joffrey, he joins Daenerys to serve as her advisor and Queensguard.	#35	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#62	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Leaf A member of the Children of the Forest. She leads Bran and his companions to cave of the Three-eyed Raven.	#51	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		58	12	9	15	10	5	1	6

Drogon's Baby Back Ribs (ooflesaur)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics
Ramsay Bolton The legitimized bastard son of Roose Bolton, now Warden of the North. He is fond of the Bolton tradition of flaying their enemies.	#8	14	14	0
High Sparrow Leader of the Sparrows, a religious movement within the Faith of the Seven.	#56	3	0	3
Tyene Sand One of Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes.	#41	0	0	0
Ellaria Sand The former paramour of Prince Oberyn. She is also the mother of several of his bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes.	#25	0	0	0
Sandor Clegane (The Hound) A fearsome warrior known as the Hound. Sandor formerly served in the Kingsguard of Joffrey Baratheon and accompanied Arya Stark on her travels. He was left for dead after a fight with Brienne of Tarth.	#57	0	0	0
Tormund Giantsbane A leader of the Wildlings, he is a trusted lieutenant and second-in-command to Mance Rayder, the King Beyond the Wall.	#24	0	0	0
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, she is a close advisor to Stannis.	#9	0	0	0
Tycho Nestoris A representative of the Iron Bank of Braavos, a powerful bank who holds a large sum of debt from the Iron Throne.	#40	0	0	0
Totals		17	14	3

Kills

13:31 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay tells his father about the flaying of Lord Cerwyn. His body, flayed of all skin, is hung from the walls of Moat Cailin.
Ramsay: "Lord Cerwyn refused to pay. He said the Warden of the North will always be a Stark, and he'd be damned if he kissed a traitor's boot."
Roose Bolton: "You left him no choice."
Ramsay: "I flayed him living, along with his wife and brother. I made his son watch ... The new Lord Cerwyn paid his taxes." (Kill of Named Character)

13:47 (+4) Ramsay Bolton:

The wife and brother of Lady Cerwyn were killed by Ramsay Bolton - their flayed bodies were hung on display from the walls of Moat Cailin. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Seriously contesting all of Ramsay's kill points. Does it count if it happens off-screen, before the character's first scene in the episode? If so, don't we need to count implied kills whenever a character is in a battle? This is setting a weird precedent, I think. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 28 nyan and megharr36 like this
Yeah, I think there's a reasonable debate on both sides of this. I think if Ramsay simply *said* he killed these people, it wouldn't count. However in this case, we're shown all three flayed bodies in the scene preceding this one. So the precedent would be that we are shown bodies + details of the kill (enough to confirm the killer).

Some previous examples of this:
S1E2: The Hound credited with a kill after he returns with Mycah's body, though we never see the actual kill.
S1E7: Robert credited with the boar kill after he tells the story about it - we never see the actual kill (though I believe the boar is later shown?).
S2E7: Theon credited with 2 kills after we are shown the two charred bodies of the orphan boys in Winterfell - we never see the actual killing.
S2E8: Jaqen credited with 4 kills of Lannister soldiers at Harrenhal. We never see the actual killing.
S2E8: Dagmer credited with 2 kills after he tells Theon about the farmer and wife that he also killed along with the orphan boys. We actually don't even see bodies in this case.
S2E9: Ser Mandon Moore catches 3 deserters, and Cersei orders all three of them to be executed (and Ilyn Payne heads off to do so). In hindsight this is strong candidate to be rescinded, as there's no actual confirmation.
S4E10: Daenerys is credited for Drogon's kill of the Meereenese villager's daughter. We are shown the charred bones of the girl, but are never shown the actual kill.

I think there's a fair argument to take a hard line and say only explicit on-screen kills count, but that would invalidate most of the above examples. Other lines could be drawn at "must be shown the body" and/or "must get explicit details to determine who did the kill." I'm open to hearing opinions on where the kill cutoff is, but either way it sounds like we'll definitely get a new precedent established for the rulebook, which is always great. -nyan

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2015 Apr 28 moonbaseu92, tim.sheehan, Reaper, alicehanners like this

40:26 (+10) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow executes Janos Slynt for insubordination, after he publicly defies Jon's orders to head out to Greyguard tower. (Kill of Named Character)

46:58 (+2) Qyburn:

Qyburn kills a rat for his experiments, splashing its blood onto his magnifying glass. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Political Wins

5:53 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen is married to Margaery Tyrell (Politics - uncategorized)

24:03 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon takes on Olly as his personal steward. "Olly is my steward now, as I was Lord Commander Mormont's. I want him to attend my meetings, to learn from men with experience. One day, he might command." (Politics - uncategorized)

25:27 (+3) Jon Snow:

"The Night's Watch can't continue to feed your men and the Wildling prisoners indefinitely. Winter is coming." (Politics - uncategorized)

41:50 (+3) High Sparrow:

The Sparrows have the High Septon paraded naked through the streets of King's Landing after they catch him with two prostitutes in Littlefinger's brothel. "Hypocrisy is a boil... lancing a boil is never pleasant, although they could have been more careful with the blade." (Politics - uncategorized)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

6:54 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

King Tommen after bedding Margaery: "This is all I want to do. All day. Every day. For the rest of my life." (Funny Line)

25:02 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis: "You're as stubborn as your father. And as honorable."
Jon Snow: "I can imagine no higher praise"
Stannis: "I didn't mean it as praise. Honor got your father killed." (Witty Insult)

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Wait, did you really get 2 x 3 points for the same thing? -pretty_mvtherfvcker

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2015 Apr 29
This was my initial thought as well, @pretty_mvutherfvcker. You could read it as Stannis calling Jon stupid, because honor is a stupid trait that will get him killed. Also a correction on Jon's naivety in assuming that honor was always a good trait. We could go back to rejecting this one if enough people disagree. -nyan

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2015 Apr 29
the line fits two categories special/insult :) -Reaper

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26:24 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Jon Snow: "I heard it was best to keep your enemies close."
Stannis: "Whoever said that didn't have many enemies." (Funny Line)

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36:14 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon appoints a new latrine captain to head up the latrine pit digging: "Brian - it seems like a good job for a ginger." (Funny Line)

43:11 (+3) Qyburn:

to High Septon: "So you were ministering to the needs of these... devout prostitutes." (Funny Line)

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Glasses of Wine Consumed

9:03 (+5) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen drinks in bed after sleeping with Margaery. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

I think they were drinking water. -timguttman

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2015 Apr 28
I think they were drinking water. -timguttman

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2015 Apr 28
Definitely looked like sake to me ;)

In all seriousness, the rulebook counts pretty much every liquid as alcoholic, unless it's explicitly disproven, e.g. the Hound's "fuck the water, bring me wine" in the Battle of the Blackwater. It's just more fun with more points to go around. -nyan

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39:12 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon "Never Kill a Man Sober" Snow finishes off his drink before heading outside to execute Janos Slynt. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Acts of Intercourse

6:34 (+5) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen's first time, consummating his marriage with Margaery after their wedding. "It all happened so fast." (Act of Intercourse)

Deaths

+1 for Mance Rayder

Special

25:02 (+3) Stannis Baratheon:

Stannis corrects Jon Snow
Stannis: "You're as stubborn as your father. And as honorable."
Jon Snow: "I can imagine no higher praise"
Stannis: "I didn't mean it as praise. Honor got your father killed." (Special)

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38:09 (+3) Jon Snow:

Janos Slynt: "You can stick your order up your bastard ass." (Special)

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