Matchup: Bran's Legs will be King! vs A Man! for Ep 4

Bran's Legs will be King! (baxendale.timothy)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Special
Jon Snow The bastard son of Ned Stark, and the current Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. After guiding the Wildlings to safety in the aftermath of the Battle of Castle Black and the attack on Hardhome, he was betrayed by a mutiny of the Night's Watch, and left for dead in the snow.	#7	18	3	6	9
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#26	18	0	0	18
Yara Greyjoy Theon's older sister, Yara was raised on the Iron Islands as a true Ironborn. She is a fearsome fighter and commands a longship of her own.	#23	3	3	0	0
Benjen Stark First Ranger of the Night's Watch - in S1 he disappeared on a ranging north of the Wall and his whereabouts since then are unknown.	#15	0	0	0	0
Timett Leader of the Burned Men, one of the hill tribes living in the west of the Vale.	#39	0	0	0	0
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) A knight and the head of House Clegane, bannermen to the Lannisters. He defeated Prince Oberyn Martell in a trial by combat for Tyrion Lannister's role in King Joffrey's death, although he was gravely injured in the fight. He appears to have recovered (in some form) under Grand Maester Qyburn's care, and returns to serve as a member of the Kingsguard.	#10	0	0	0	0
Qyburn A disgraced former Maester, who was banished from the order for engaging in forbidden experiments. He is recruited by Cersei to assist in various medical facilities, and now serves as Master of Whispers in King's Landing.	#31	0	0	0	0
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. His journeys north of the Wall have recently led him to the cave of the Three-eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest.	#2	0	0	0	0
Rickon Stark The youngest of the Stark children. He splits off from Bran and travels with Osha to the Last Hearth, seat of House Umber.	#34	0	0	0	0
Alliser Thorne A former master-of-arms and acting Commander of the Night's Watch, Thorne narrowly lost the Lord Commander choosing to Jon Snow in S5. He later led a mutiny of disgruntled Night's Watch members against Jon Snow, stabbing and leaving him for dead.	#18	0	0	0	0
Totals		39	6	6	27

A Man! (dustinludwig87)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Sex	Deaths	Special
Osha A wildling woman who serves the Starks. She splits off from Bran's group and travels with Rickon.	#36	13	0	3	5	5	0
Jorah Mormont The exiled head of House Mormont. Jorah was previously one of Daenerys Targaryen's most trusted advisors before his banishment. He returned to her service during a revolt in the fighting pits of Meereen, and now travels with Daario Naharis to rescue Daenerys, who has disappeared along with one of her dragons, Drogon.	#28	12	0	3	0	0	9
Olenna Redwyne (Grandma Tyrell) The matriarch of House Tyrell, Olenna is the grandmother of Margaery and Loras. She is known as the "Queen of Thorns" for her sarcasm and wit.	#29	3	0	3	0	0	0
Cersei Lannister Queen Regent of the Seven Kingdoms and mother to King Tommen. Afflicted by a rare water allergy.	#5	3	3	0	0	0	0
Brienne of Tarth A skilled fighter and heir to House Tarth. A sworn sword to the late Catelyn Stark, she continues her mission to ensure the safety of the Stark girls.	#20	3	0	3	0	0	0
Theon Greyjoy Heir to the Iron Islands, and formerly a ward of House Stark. Theon has been broken through torture by the hands of Ramsay Bolton, but has escaped Winterfell along with Sansa Stark during the chaos of the Battle of Winterfell.	#13	3	0	0	0	0	3
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Free-spirited and rebellious, Arya escaped the war-ravaged Westeros and currently resides in Braavos, where she trains under the face-changing assassin Jaqen H'ghar in the House of Black and White.	#4	0	0	0	0	0	0
Tyene Sand The youngest of Oberyn Martell's bastard children, known as the Sand Snakes. She uses daggers and poisons as her weapons.	#37	0	0	0	0	0	0
Jaqen H'ghar The leader of the Faceless Men of Braavos, and a skilled assassin. He trains Arya to become an assassin in the House of Black and White.	#21	0	0	0	0	0	0
Hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor hodor Hodor. hodor.	#12	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		37	3	12	5	5	12

Political Wins

7:29 (+3) Jon Snow:

Melisandre becomes the latest devotee to the Jon Snow Fan Club.
Davos Seaworth: "Will you stay here at Castle Black?"
Melisandre: "I will do as Jon Snow commands."
Davo: "You serve Jon Snow now?"
Melisandre: "He is the Prince that was Promised." (New Follower/Prisoner)

39:52 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Despite their initial protests, Cersei convinces the Hand of the King Kevan Lannister and Olenna Tyrell to go with her plan to march the Tyrell army into King's Landing to arrest the High Sparrow and rescue Queen Margaery.
Kevan Lannister: "We'll have civil war. Many will die."
Olenna Tyrell: "Many will die no matter what we do. Better them than us." (Convincing Argument)

No Jaime points for this? I took it as he convinces Kevan. "We're you commanded not to stand down?", "Do you think Tommen will complain when he has his wife back by his side? " etc -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16 thederekwilson, coconnor723, mariahwestfall3 like this
Yeah, this was clearly a tag team effort. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 16 nyan likes this
Jaime's points have been proposed here: http://fantasora.com/event/2388 -nyan

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43:11 (+3) Yara Greyjoy:

Theon pledges his support for her in the upcoming Kingsmoot. "You should rule the Iron Islands. Let me help you." (New Follower/Prisoner)

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Too bad people can't lose points by losing followers. Would be nice for Ramsey to lose Reek. I just hate Ramsey. -taylorreneegoodrich

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2016 May 16
Interesting question on this one - was Theon pledging himself to Yara? Or just offering his assistance in the upcoming Kingsmoot? -nyan

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2016 May 18
I mean he did specifically say "With me by your side" -alexander.hilton91

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2016 May 18
If Littlefinger gets points for Lord Yohn Royce (which I think should be Robin not Littlefinger), then this I think this is the same type of situation, sans army. -alexander.hilton91

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2016 May 18
I think for a normal conversation, this probably falls slightly towards "offer of help" vs "pledging loyalty". But since the topic is specifically about becoming a ruler, we'll count the offer of help as a follower. Good precedent in counting Sam/Aemon as Jon Snow followers after they voted for him: http://fantasora.com/event/1403 -nyan

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2016 May 18

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

2:16 (+3) Jon Snow:

Edd: "Where you gonna go?"
Jon Snow: "South."
Edd: "What you gonna do?"
Jon: "Get warm?" (Funny Line)

5:45 (+3) Jon Snow:

after Sansa tastes the finest from Castle Black Brewery: "You'd think after thousands of years, the Night's Watch would have learned how to make a good ale." (Funny Line)

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8:18 (+3) Brienne of Tarth:

Brienne: "I was Kingsguard to Renly Baratheon. Before Renly was assassinated with bloodmagic."
Nervous Davos: "That's... in the past now."
Brienne: "Yes, it's in the past. It doesn't mean I forget. *looks at Melisandre* Or forgive." (Threat)

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20:38 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Daario: "Oh, I don't want to fight you, Jorah the Andal. What do I have to gain? If I win, I'm the shit who killed an old man. If I lose, I'm the shit who was killed by an old man."
Jorah: "You didn't get much discipline as a child, did you?" (Witty Insult)

37:52 (+3) Olenna Redwyne (Grandma Tyrell):

Cersei: "You once spoke of your respect for our father because he understood the necessity of working with one's rivals."
Olenna: "My dear, you have been stripped of your dignity and authority, publicly shamed, and confined to the Red Keep. What's left to work with?" (Witty Insult)

43:47 (+3) Osha:

Ramsay: "Do you know who I am?"
Osha: "A lord."
Ramsay: "Yes. A lord. You've seen my banners?"
Osha: "The flayed man."
Ramsay: "Does that worry you at all?"
Osha: "You eat them after?"
Ramsay: "No."
Osha: "Then I've seen worse." (Witty Insult)

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Acts of Intercourse

45:54 (+5) Osha:

Osha gets her hands in Ramsay's pants. "Same thing men always want. And when they really want it, they give it a bath first." (Act of Intercourse)

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We saw that Osha got farther than the slavers, comparing it to other events in this episode, at least. -cjcookart

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2016 May 17
@taylor Theon's torture scene is another good example. We actually never did a rewatch for S3 so it hasn't been scored, but it has similarities to this one, though it ends up a good deal more sexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLQxu9aHdc

The game and scoring should continue evolving better definitions, so don't automatically take the S2 points as evidence that this should also count for sex. Instead I would use it as a thought experiment - the two situations are very similar, so whichever way I feel about scoring one, should probably apply to the other. If I feel that they should be scored differently, what is the criteria that differentiates them?

I would also say that, while the on-screen intimacy shown here definitely feels more "deserving" than the Slavers' scene, the game still works as long as the rules are clear and consistent, e.g. if we decide on "full penetration" or "skin-on-skin contact of reproductive organs" as criteria. It can end up excluding a few worthy events, but also adds an extra element of detail to be on the lookout for. The intricacies of wine drinking and the refill mechanics are my personal favorite examples of precise scorekeeping that makes for a more fun fantasy-watching experience, compared to a more common-sense approach that eyeballs how many drinks were consumed. -nyan

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2016 May 17 cjcookart likes this
We'll go with "direct contact with reproductive organs", which this will count for. This verbage has been added to the rulebook. -nyan

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Deaths

46:30 (+5) Osha:

Osha bleeds out on the floor of Ramsay Bolton's quarters, after her failed attempt to assassinate him. (Death)

+0 for Rickon Stark, +0 for Alliser Thorne

Special

12:40 (+9) Grey Worm :

Grey Worm remarks on the arriving slave masters from Yunkai and Astapor. "You invite the *enemy* into our city... I don't make peace with the Queen's *enemies*, I kill the Queen's *enemies*." (Special)

14:08 (+3) Grey Worm :

Missandei: "...hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children still lived in chains-"
Razdal mo Eraz: "As they have since the dawn of time."
Grey Worm: "Not *anymore*". (Special)

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18:42 (+3) Grey Worm :

to Tyrion: "I am loyal to my Queen, not you. If you betray her work, you are my *enemy*." (Special)

19:13 (+3) Grey Worm :

to Tyrion: "You don't know them (the slave masters), you don't *understand* them. We are not human in their eyes." (Special)

20:28 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Friendzone ribbing from alpha-male Daario
Daario Naharis: "It must make you angry, that our Queen chose me."
Jorah: "It makes me sad. You'll disappoint her before long, she'll move on." (Special)

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Good call here; this seems quite similar to the previous Daario to Jorah lines that were counted. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 17
Maybe this is getting a little nitty-gritty into friendzones from an veteran friendzoner, but I thought of this as more of a straight insult about Jorah's age/stamina. The friendzone is more about how close you are platonically to someone, while not being anywhere remotely close to getting with them in romantic/physical terms. Daario doesn't take any shots at that aspect of Jorah/Daenerys' relationship here. -nyan

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2016 May 17
I felt the comment about Daenerys choosing Daario over him was a bit of a personal blow, a bit cocky for him to say to Jorah's face. -cjcookart

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2016 May 17
Ah, was focused on the first part and glossed over that point about choosing him. I think it'll qualify as friendzone ribbing. -nyan

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2016 May 18
I thought he'd only get points when being friendzoned by Daenerys.. like being rejected and stuff. But then again, this probably won't happen a lot anymore in the series and seems to have become replaced by Daario poking into the friendzone-wound :o -Lem Lemoncake

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21:03 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah the Explorah gives Daario this week's culture lesson on Dothraki city layout.
"The road running through the Horse Gate, they call that the Godsway. Eastern Market, Western Market. When Khal Drogo died, she was supposed to come here and join the Dosh Khaleen, the widows of the dead Khals. That's where they'll have taken her. The Temple of the Dosh Khaleen." (Special)

25:10 (+3) Jorah Mormont:

Jorah reminds Daario about the rules of engagement in Vaes Dothrak: "If they find a body with a stab wound, the whole city will be looking for us." (Special)

43:11 (+3) Theon Greyjoy:

Theon acts against his own self-interest, throwing away his own claim in support of his sister Yara ruling the Iron Islands. (Special)

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48:13 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon opens up Ramsay Bolton's letter, addressed: "To the traitor and bastard, Jon Snow." (Special)

48:23 (+3) Jon Snow:

Ramsay Bolton's letter to Jon: "Winterfell is mine, bastard. Come and see." (Special)

48:43 (+3) Jon Snow:

Ramsay Bolton's letter to Jon: "I want my bride back. Send her to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your Wildling lovers." (Special)

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