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Jon Snow

Game of Stoned

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* +1 each time he unintentionally drops Longclaw
* +1 point each time he is called a bastard in his presence
* Ghost's actions contribute to his points.

Raw Stats

Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Sex	Thrones	Deaths	Special	Feels
104	35	27	6	20	0	0	10	6	0

Event Log

Kills

Episode 1: The Wars to Come

52:44 (+10) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow gives Mance a mercy kill, shooting an arrow through his heart before he is consumed by a burning pyre. (Kill of Named Character)

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To explain more about the philosophy, one of the important parts of the scorekeeping is that it can objectively follow definitions, without requiring judgment calls on the part of some scorekeeper (which can be subjective). In this case, I agree with both of you that Stannis probably "deserves" some credit - without his actions, Mance wouldn't have been put in a position to be killed. But "put in a position to be killed" is a little murky to make a rule for - how do you draw the line? Is it really Melisandre that puts him in that position because she starts the fire burning?

Given that, I think it's better to stick to the scoring definitions, because there's no subjectivity to them. And sometimes it results in a "deserving" character losing points, but that's fantasy sometimes - just like a football RB who hauls his team to the goal line, only for the backup to sub in and score the 1yd touchdown. -nyan

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2015 Apr 14 moonbaseu92 and coconnor723 like this
I agree with Nyan. Riddle me this: If someone (King A) commands his executioner (Brute) to kill the shopgirl (Lass), and Lass flees to Other Country where she is run over by a cart and dies, does King A get the point? Everyone's actions contribute. The point is, Mance was killed by Jon Snow. Jon Snow was NOT commanded to kill him by Stannis. Therefore, it's not a commanded kill. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 19
That's different because Mance didn't escape from the fire and run away while Jon shot at him to keep him from escaping. He was in the process of dying. Even if Jon hadn't intervened, he still would've been dead. I know Stannis won't get points for that, and I don't care, I'm just saying that I disagree with your example. -kas113

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2015 Apr 21 moonbaseu92 likes this

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

40:26 (+10) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow executes Janos Slynt for insubordination, after he publicly defies Jon's orders to head out to Greyguard tower. (Kill of Named Character)

Episode 8: Hardhome

47:58 (+1) Jon Snow:

Jon runs his sword through a wight that emerges through a hole in the Hardhome walls, holding it in place until Tormund can come to patch the wall up with a sledge. (Major Injury of Unnamed Character)

49:08 (+4) Jon Snow:

Jon swings through two wights as he runs towards the building were the dragonglass daggers were left. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

51:51 (+10) Jon Snow:

After parrying the White Walker's ice spear with his Valyrian Steel sword, Longclaw, Jon slashes through the White Walker, shattering his body into bits of ice. (Kill of Named Character)

Political Wins

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

43:38 (+3) Jon Snow:

By the margin of a single vote, Jon Snow is reluctantly elected as the 998th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. (Politics - uncategorized)

Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)? -moonbaseu92

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2015 Apr 21 coconnor723 likes this
I don't think people get points for followers. Else Dany would have billions of points, Stannis a buttload, Tommen a ton, Doran a bunch, etc. -alicehanners

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2015 Apr 24
Has there been a vote on this? I think the two explicit followers rule should count! -coconnor723

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2015 Apr 27

43:41 (+6) Jon Snow:

Samwell Tarly and Maester Aemon cast their votes for Jon Snow in the Night's Watch election. Jon edges past Ser Alliser Thorne in the election and becomes their Lord Commander. (Politics - uncategorized)

submitted by nyan (approved!)

Brought up by @moonbaseu92: "Should Jon get point from all the new "Followers" he now has as Lord Commander, at least for Named Night's Watch men who are "friendly" (not Slynt, maybe Thorne)?" -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
It's an excellent point, but a bit tricky to figure out where to limit the scope. I'd like to figure out the line and record this as a new precedent in the Rulebook.

The problem with awarding automatic followers when someone gains a new title is that it potentially has a limitless range. For example, when Tommen becomes King, did that automatically make *every* Lannister/Tyrell character in the Seven Kingdoms his follower?

I think a reasonable rule would be to require an explicit pledge or act of loyalty by the follower. So in Joffrey's case, he'd get the standard point just for receiving the title of King, but no automatic points for any of the hundreds of named subjects. However if a scene shows a character coming to King's Landing to pledge a *new* oath of fealty to King Joffrey (like he requested of Robb), that'd count as a follower.

Applied to this election, I think normally there'd be no new followers for Jon, even from those who enthusiastically support him like Samwell (same as how Tommen doesn't automatically get every Lannister/Tyrell as a follower). *However*, the Night's Watch is unique in that they carry out a democratic process, giving every member the agency to choose who they want to declare (vote) for. In this case, the votes casted are an explicit act for "I will follow Jon Snow if he wins the election", so the votes by Samwell and Maester Aemon are counted as new followers.

What does everyone else think of establishing this as the scoring rule for followers? -nyan

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2015 Apr 23
Sounds good to me. The more points scored the better and it helps improve some characters that might not score as much. As you said, it just needs to be more black and white for the scorekeepers. -wpearsal

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2015 Apr 23

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

24:03 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon takes on Olly as his personal steward. "Olly is my steward now, as I was Lord Commander Mormont's. I want him to attend my meetings, to learn from men with experience. One day, he might command." (Politics - uncategorized)

25:27 (+3) Jon Snow:

"The Night's Watch can't continue to feed your men and the Wildling prisoners indefinitely. Winter is coming." (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 5: Kill the Boy

11:33 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow unlocks Tormund from his chains and convinces him to go on a mission to save the remaining Wildlings.
Jon: "Your people need a leader. And they need to get south of the Wall before it's too late. We don't have much time and they have less. The Walkers are coming and they'll hit your people first. I'm not asking you to make peace to save your skin. Make peace to save your people."
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Tormund: "Alright then... You're coming with me." (Politics - uncategorized)

15:47 (+3) Jon Snow:

to Olly: "I know this is hard for you. But Winter is coming. We know what's coming with it. We can't face it alone." (Politics - uncategorized)

40:36 (+3) Jon Snow:

Stannis agrees to lend Jon Snow his ships, indicating that Jon is forging ahead with his plan to rescue the Wildlings despite the disapproval of most of the Night's Watch. (Politics - uncategorized)

Episode 7: The Gift

5:18 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow is given a dragonglass dagger by Samwell Tarly, in the event that he needs to fend off the White Walkers. (Politics - uncategorized)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

36:14 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon appoints a new latrine captain to head up the latrine pit digging: "Brian - it seems like a good job for a ginger." (Funny Line)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

7:59 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon: "You had just been beaten half to death. How did you...?"
Sam: "Oh, very carefully."
Jon: "I'm glad the end of the world's working out well for someone." (Funny Line)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

Episode 2: The House of Black and White

39:23 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks in the hall at Castle Black, as the election for Lord Commander of the Night's Watch begins. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

42:44 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon drinks another cup while members of the Night's Watch cast their votes for Lord Commander. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

39:12 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon "Never Kill a Man Sober" Snow finishes off his drink before heading outside to execute Janos Slynt. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

8:23 (+5) Jon Snow:

Jon and Sam toast to Sam's journey to Oldtown to become a Maester. "To your return." (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Deaths

Episode 10: Mother's Mercy

58:45 (+10) Jon Snow:

Jon Snow is stabbed by a band of Night's Watch mutineers, receiving the final fatal blow from his steward, Olly. (Death)

Special

Episode 1: The Wars to Come

23:07 (+3) Jon Snow:

Melisandre announces Jon Snow to Stannis: "Your Grace. The bastard of Winterfell." (Special)

Episode 3: The High Sparrow

38:09 (+3) Jon Snow:

Janos Slynt: "You can stick your order up your bastard ass." (Special)

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