Matchup: Hodor's Hodors vs A Song of Ice and Firecrotch for Ep 1

I Drink and I Know Things

Hodor's Hodors (britney.eason425)

Character	Drafted	Total	Kills	Politics	Insults	Wine	Special
Arya Stark The youngest of the Stark girls. Recently having completed her training as an assassin in the House of Black and White, she has set sail to return to Westeros to pursue her revenge.	#1	111	94	6	3	5	3
Jon Snow Recently declared King in the North, he is the bastard son of Ned Stark, and formerly served as Lord Commander of the Night's Watch before he was betrayed by his fellow men.	#5	12	0	9	3	0	0
Sansa Stark The second eldest of the Stark children. After being held as a prisoner of House Bolton, Sansa managed to escape and, with the help of Jon Snow and the Knights of the Vale, defeated Ramsay Bolton to reclaim Winterfell for the Starks. She is a huge fan of lemon cakes.	#13	6	0	0	6	0	0
White Walker (Night King) The leader of the White Walkers.	#9	3	0	3	0	0	0
Daenerys Targaryen Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, Mother of Dragons and Breaker of Chains. With her three dragons and army of Unsullied soldiers she carved out an empire of liberated slave cities in the east, and she now sets her sights westward as she sails for the Seven Kingdoms to reclaim the Iron Throne.	#4	3	0	3	0	0	0
Varys Formerly the Master of Whisperers in King's Landing, Varys now pulls the political strings for Daenerys Targaryen, arranging alliances with the Westerosi Houses Tyrell and Martell. He controls a vast network of spies.	#8	0	0	0	0	0	0
Petyr Baelish (Littlefinger) Lord Protector of the Vale, Littlefinger effectively controls the Knights of the Vale through the easily manipulated Robbin Arryn. He is a master manipulator who will stop at nothing for power.	#16	0	0	0	0	0	0
Melisandre A Red Priestess from Asshai, Melisandre has demonstrated mythical skill in blood magic, most recently reviving a deceased Jon Snow. After Davos Seaworth exposes her live sacrifice of the child Shireen Baratheon, she has been exiled by Jon Snow.	#12	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		135	94	21	12	5	3

A Song of Ice and Firecrotch (horrelle)

Character	Drafted	Total	Politics	Insults	Wine	Special
Sandor Clegane (The Hound) A fearsome Lannister knight, formerly known as the Hound. After being left for dead after losing a fight with Brienne of Tarth, he recovered and briefly reformed as a laborer in a nonviolent commune, but has joined with Beric Dondarrion and the Brotherhood without Banners after bandits attack and destroy the village.	#14	24	6	15	0	3
Cersei Lannister Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, after the death of her last remaining child Tommen Baratheon. She suffers from a rare water allergy.	#2	14	3	0	5	6
Jaime Lannister The second of the Lannister children, he is Cersei's lover and twin brother, and also the father of her three (now deceased) bastard children, the supposed sons and daughters of the late King Robert Baratheon. He also serves as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.	#6	9	0	6	0	3
Bran Stark The fourth of the Stark children. A greenseer and a warg, Bran has mystical visions of the future and past, and has the ability to leap into the minds of others to control them - power he is only beginning to tap into. After having encountered the Three-Eyed Raven and the Night King in the far north, he now flees back south to the Wall.	#15	6	3	0	0	3
Brienne of Tarth A skilled fighter and heir to House Tarth. After swearing an oath to Catelyn Stark, she continues her mission to ensure the safety of the Stark girls.	#7	0	0	0	0	0
Olenna Redwyne (Grandma Tyrell) The matriarch of House Tyrell, Olenna seeks only revenge against the Lannisters after Cersei wiped out nearly all of House Tyrell in the wildfire explosion at the Sept of Baelor. She is known as the "Queen of Thorns" for her sarcasm and wit.	#10	0	0	0	0	0
Grey Worm The leader of the Unsullied - a highly-trained army of freed slaves who serve Daenerys Targaryen.	#11	0	0	0	0	0
Tyrion Lannister Quick to wit and even quicker to the drink, Tyrion is the youngest of three Lannister children. After being exiled by his sister Cersei, he has joined with Daenerys Targaryen, serving as her Hand of the Queen and most trusted adviser.	#3	0	0	0	0	0
Totals		53	12	21	5	15

Kills

2:41 (+94) Arya Stark:

Masquerading as Walder Frey, Arya serves poisoned wine to a host of 47 Freys in the same dining hall where Robb and Catelyn were murdered at the Red Wedding.

"But you didn't slaughter every one of the Starks. No, no, that was your mistake. You should have ripped them all out, root and stem. Leave one wolf alive and the sheep are never safe. When people ask you what happened here tell them the North remembers. Tell them winter came for House Frey." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

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I think the scoring criteria should purely go off of what happened in the show. It's truer to what the characters actually accomplished. The existence of the character on the draft list is simply based on pre-season rumors, and this one turned out to be insignificant.

I also don't want to start weighing whether or not characters will be countable towards named kills in the pre-season, when I'm just scouring all the casting lists to give players all the options to draft from. -nyan

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2017 Jul 20
@kevinpetsky/@will.correa29, can anyone actually pick out the actor in the scene? From imdb it seems to only indicate he's in S7, not that he's in E1 specifically. -nyan

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2017 Jul 20 jake.kmiech likes this
If he doesn't show up as a named/credited Frey lord by last episode of this season, these death points should be awarded to Frey lord. -playabills

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2017 Aug 7

Political Wins

0:58 (+3) Arya Stark:

"... so I can tell you my plans for this great house, now that Winter has come". (House Words)

Questionable. Will Dany get points every time she mentions fire or blood? -alicehanners

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2017 Jul 18
Agreed. "Tell them Winter came for House Frey" was great. This quote doesn't carry the same weight. -dlapato

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2017 Jul 18
Daenerys does get points for "Fire and Blood", but it does need to include both of them. It is a little loose here, the operative words are "winter"and "coming", and slight variations of it, but as long as those two words are together I think it's okay to count (but if everyone feels strongly about strict wording, we can stick to that). I do think the wording in both lines was chosen specifically to echo the Stark words.

I don't see much difference between "winter has come" and "winter came", in terms of how well it sticks to the wording - it would be both or none. The House Words scoring is just for dropping the lines, there's no need for them to be quality/impactful lines unlike the Insults category. -nyan

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3:30 (+3) Arya Stark:

"Tell them Winter came for House Frey." (House Words)

7:26 (+3) White Walker (Night King):

The Night King marches across the tundra, having newly added several wight Giants to his army. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

8:18 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran Stark uses his knowledge about the battle at Hardhome to convince Eddison Tollet to grant him and Meera Reed passage into Castle Black. (Convincing Argument)

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12:31 (+3) Jon Snow:

Jon refuses to strip the Umbers and Karstarks of their castles for Smalljon and Harald's treasonous siding with Ramsay Bolton, despite the objections from Sansa and the other Northern lords.

"...I will not punish a son for his father's sins, and I will not take a family home away from a family it has belonged to for centuries.
That is my decision, and my decision is final." (Executive Decision)

13:14 (+6) Jon Snow:

Jon receives pledges of loyalty from Ned Umber and Alys Karstark, the new heads of their respective houses after Smalljon Umber and Harald Karstark died in the Battle of Winterfell. (New Follower/Prisoner)

22:40 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Over Jaime's protests, Cersei meets with Euron Greyjoy to hear his alliance proposal, although it ultimately ends in Euron leaving empty-handed with a promise to return with a gift. (Executive Decision)

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Yeah to me, overruling Jaime is the most concrete thing that's been done so far. It's a little soft that simply meeting with Euron is a "major decision", but Jaime argues pretty hard against doing that and as Queen, and exerts her power by just doing it anyway. -nyan

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2017 Jul 19 jedjackoway likes this
Original submission from @hindsight44: "hey man i feel like Cersei kinda got boned on the political front. the way i see it she got 3 seperate political events. +3 for overuling jaime with an executive order on the iron born, he protested euron completley but cersei still brokered a deal with him.which leads to my second event when she brokered a deal with euron which should be+3. finally euron left episode agreeing to to the bidding or cersei which makes him a followet of cersei which should be another +3." -nyan

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2017 Jul 20
You don't always have to outright ask to get what you want. To make someone think it is their idea to do what u want is perfect. It was a deal. -j.stainless11

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45:38 (+6) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

While looking into Thoros' flames, Sandor Clegane discovers the location of the planned White Walker invasion: Eastwatch-by-the-Sea.

"Ice. A wall of ice. The Wall. ... It's where the Wall meets the sea. There's a castle there. There's a mountain. Looks like an arrowhead. The dead are marching past. Thousands of them." (Secret Discovery)

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is this really a secret discovery? i remember we counted bran's discoveries while time travelling but those were actually displayed to us, the audience. this didn't happen here and it is not confirmed if this is truly what's going to happen. -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Jul 20
Would characters present receive the "Secret Discovery" and/or Thoros have had the same Secret Discovery? -EvanWolfe

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2017 Jul 21 jake.kmiech likes this
@Lem Lemoncake it does flirt the line, especially as we've seen with Melisandre, a lot of her supposedly prophetic visions of Stannis as Azor Ahai turned out to be false. There is also a retroactive perspective, what if say a character gets spy reports from someone who was a double-agent, and it's actually a betryal in the end? My gut is to let these points exist, there will be plot twists so no secret is 100% infallible. But this is much more of a secret than Melisandre's visions, because it includes very specific, actionable information rather than "Stannis I saw that you were King and fighting against the WW someday".

@EvanWolfe, good point about Thoros/Beric as well... it seems like they've been generally aware of this, but in any case that'd be new information since the last time we saw them. I'll add secret points for them both. -nyan

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52:08 (+3) Daenerys Targaryen:

Daenerys reclaims her ancestral home, the abandoned castle of Dragonstone, once commanded by Stannis Baratheon. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

2:32 (+3) Arya Stark:

"But you didn't slaughter every one of the Starks. No, no, that was your mistake. You should have ripped them all out, root and stem. Leave one wolf alive and the sheep are never safe. When people ask you what happened here tell them the North remembers. Tell them winter came for House Frey." (Threat)

11:31 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Jaime: "How are they better allies? How are they different from the Freys? They both broke their promises and murdered their former friends as soon as it suited them."
Cersei: "So does everyone, when it suits them. Unlike the Freys, they have ships, and they're good at killing."
Jaime: "They're not good at anything." (Witty Insult)

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14:58 (+3) Jon Snow:

Sansa Stark: "They respect you, they really do, but you have to- Why are you laughing?"
Jon Snow: "What did father used to say? Everything before the word 'but' is horse shit." (Witty Insult)

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19:41 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

Cersei: "I'm the Queen of the 7 Kingdoms"
Jaime: "Three Kingdoms, at best." (Witty Insult)

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34:47 (+3) Sansa Stark:

Petyr Baelish: "Why aren't you happy? What do you want that you do not have?"
Sansa Stark: "At the moment, peace and quiet."
(Witty Insult)

34:54 (+3) Sansa Stark:

"No need to seize the last word, Lord Baelish. I'll assume it was something clever." (Witty Insult)

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40:08 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Thoros: "Bad night to be outdoors."
Sandor: "You've got real powerful magic to figure that out. Did the Lord of Light whisper that in your ear? 'It's snowwing, Thoros.
It's winnndy. It's gonna be a coold night.'" (Funny Line)

40:17 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Thoros: "Why are you always in such a foul mood?"
Sandor: "... Experience." (Funny Line)

41:04 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

to Thoros: "I'll tell you what doesn't scare me: bald cocksuckers like you. You think you're fooling anyone with that top knot?" (Witty Insult)

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44:22 (+6) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

"It's my fucking luck I end up with a band of fire-worshippers" -as Thoros beckons him over to check out the magic prophecy fire he just started (Funny Line)

Glasses of Wine Consumed

20:52 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei takes a sip from the glass while discussing the failed alliance with the Freys after Walder's assassination. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

39:05 (+5) Arya Stark:

Arya shares in some blackberry wine offered by the camp of Lannister soldiers. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Special

3:15 (+3) Arya Stark:

Arya peels off the mask of Walder Frey to reveal herself after assassinating the host of Freys in the dining hall at the Twins. (Special)

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@j.stainless11 I hear you, the nebulous specials are detrimental to fair scoring, at the same time implemented so the game could react better to fun stuff happening on the show. We do try to not be reactionary by adding stuff just because it happened in one episode, in this case Arya has been face changing for all of S6 so this seems like a well-established ability of hers at this point, not a one off. -nyan

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2017 Jul 24
Why would this count for arya? This isn't her special and if she's already getting a changed special then other characters need updated specials ASAP. -talindsey

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2017 Jul 26
I absolutely do not think that Arya should lose her Nymeria special @nathan. I would be fine with Arya adding Jaqen's old special additionally, many characters have multiple specials. I could maybe see a debate to replace the hitlist with this.

@talindsey you can argue for any character you like to get a new special, just start a new event. Your not gonna get anywhere trying to get other characters specials changed within the comments of separate character. There is currently a good debate going on about Euron's special too http://fantasora.com/event/3243 -ssantise

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2017 Jul 26

7:33 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into his warg ability as he waits at the gate to Castle Black. (Special)

20:17 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei runs for the pitcher and pours a glass as Jaime confronts her about Tommen's death. (Special)

23:59 (+3) Cersei Lannister:

Euron Greyjoy: "Ever since I was a little boy, I wanted to grow up and marry the most beautiful woman in the world, so here I am with a thousand ships and two good hands." (looks at Jaime) (Special)

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I need to implement the Facebook LOVE/HAHA reactions just for Alice's commentary on here. For the record there are no other admins this season, but lots of passionate players who like to debate, and that's one of the things I enjoy most about the site. Don't ever feel the need to engage into every thread though, especially if you feel like you are starting to repeat yourself, the site is all for fun and I'll definitely read through every comment and point made. -nyan

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2017 Jul 18
Yeah, I get super into the debate here but at the end of the day, I'm here for the fun and appreciation of GOT. That said, I am also always right ? -alicehanners

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2017 Jul 19
(Except when I'm wrong) -alicehanners

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2017 Jul 19

25:39 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

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Jaime doesn't have that special - he gets points for awkward gestures with his prosthetic hand. So far, only Theon gets points for references to respective amputated body parts :o -Lem Lemoncake

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2017 Jul 18
You right. -xdwxrd

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2017 Jul 18
But he did still reference incest there, which is Jaime's special
-kevinpetsky

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2017 Jul 18 nyan, hindsight44, jedjackoway like this
I think if these are added it'd be under the incest reference, so let me know if you think this qualifies per @kevinpetsky's comment! -nyan

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2017 Jul 18
IMO its both Jaime and Cerseis special. Its impossible to interpret that joke accuratley without including the incest between Jaime and Cersei. He also said it right in front of them -hindsight44

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2017 Jul 18 taylorreneegoodrich and jedjackoway like this
I don't have nightmares.... -j.stainless11

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2017 Jul 20

42:43 (+3) Sandor Clegane (The Hound):

Sandor takes a bite out of some pocket jerky. (Special)

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