Results for Episode 2: Home

Stat Leaders

Total	Points
Ramsay Bolton	34
Tyrion Lannister	25
Roose Bolton	17
Euron Greyjoy	13
Hodor	12

Kills	Points
Ramsay Bolton	22
Euron Greyjoy	10
Gregor Clegane (The Mountain)	2
Tormund Giantsbane	2
Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun	2

Political Wins	Points
Eddison Tollett	9
Ramsay Bolton	9
Davos Seaworth	6
Roose Bolton	6
Bran Stark	3

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines	Points
Tyrion Lannister	15
Varys	6
Roose Bolton	6
Jaime Lannister	3
Davos Seaworth	3

Glasses of Wine Consumed	Points
Tyrion Lannister	10
Cersei Lannister	5
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Deaths	Points
Balon Greyjoy	5
Roose Bolton	5
Fat Walda Frey	5
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Special	Points
Hodor	12
Grey Worm	6
Bran Stark	3
Podrick Payne	3
Jon Snow	3

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Episode 2: Home

Kills

10:59 (+2) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund cuts down the first of Alliser Thorne's men who is foolish enough to charge at him. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

11:17 (+2) Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun:

Wun Weg rips down one of Ser Alliser Thorne's crossbowman from the battlements after he looses a bolt at him. He's smashed against the castle wall, and then thrown across the courtyard, prompting the rest of the Night's Watch to throw down their weapons. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

14:08 (+2) Gregor Clegane (The Mountain):

Zombie Gregor smashes in the head of a King's Landing drunk who was spreading stories about Cersei. (Kill of Unnamed Character)

29:19 (+1) The Waif:

the Waif pummels a blind Arya during another training session. (Minor Injury of Named Character)

Minor injory of named character?? Is that in the rulebook? -becharafayad1997

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2016 May 3
Injury of a named character is 5pts according to the rulebook, I guess there's a sliding scale for major/minor? Yeah, this needs clarification.
-alicehanners

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2016 May 3
Oops, you're right to bring this up. We added this last year but neglected to update the kills category. So the sliding scale (with multiplier) goes:

Named Kill: 10pts
Named Major Injury: 5pts (something permanent, like Jaime losing a hand)
Named Minor Injury: 2pts (Arya getting beat up pretty badly)
Unnamed Kill: 2pts
Unnamed Major Injury: 1pt

I'd like to keep this as a category for the future since we had it for previous seasons, but you're right that I neglected to update the rule text. I'll remove this if a lot of people feel strongly that the event doesn't belong. -nyan

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2016 May 3
I don't think a major injury needs to be permanent, but it can't be a small wound. Something they have to recover from. -alicehanners

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2016 May 4
The major/minor distinction is helpful - there is otherwise a very large gap between Jaime getting his hand cut off (major, permanent implications for the show), and a character like Arya getting a bit beat up (happens almost every fight scene, almost never affects the plot). -nyan

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32:49 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay stabs his father Roose in the gut upon news that Fat Walda has borne Roose a second son. (Kill of Named Character)

37:07 (+10) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay offers up fresh meat to his hounds in the form of Fat Walda Frey. (Kill of Named Character)

37:07 (+2) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay offers up fresh meat to his hounds in the form of his newborn half-brother.
Fat Walda: "Please, Ramsay. He's your brother."
Ramsay: "I prefer being an only child." (Kill of Unnamed Character)

Sadly Roose didn't stick around long enough to give the baby a name. Ramsay needs to think long-term strategy if he's going for the fantasy point crown. -nyan

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2016 May 2 bookworm13457, tyler3005, kmgiorgio, jedjackoway, 3 others like this
I was up against a Ramsay this week so I was holding my breath hoping he wouldn't name the kid before killing him -bookworm13457

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2016 May 2 thederekwilson, 10100100101, nyan like this
His thirst for blood rivals his "mad dogs" -10100100101

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44:08 (+10) Euron Greyjoy:

Euron throws his brother Balon Greyjoy over the bridge at Pyke and into the sea. "I am the storm, brother. The first storm and the last. And you're in my way." (Kill of Named Character)

Political Wins

5:31 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran discovers Hodor's real name - Willas - and that he used to be able to talk while going back to the future with the Three-Eyed Raven. (Secret Discovery)

9:53 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos takes up Longclaw (Jon Snow's Valyrian sword) as he and the other Night's Watchmen prepare to defend against Ser Alliser Thorne. "I've never been much of a fighter... Apologies for what you're about to see." (New Weapon)

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So will Jon next week get points when he reclaims longclaw? -Reaper

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2016 May 2
Yes, I would think. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 2
Yep, Jon will get them back. It's like WWE wrestling titles, you get to be a two-time title holder because you screwed up and lost it to someone else in-between. -nyan

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10:12 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Tormund successfully leads the Wildlings to victory at Castle Black, after Ser Alliser Thorne and his men throw down their weapons after a display of Wun Wun's force. (Victorious Battle)

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10:23 (+3) Eddison Tollett:

Edd takes control of Castle Black after rallying the Wildlings to his side and capturing Alliser Thorne and the other traitors. (Acquire a New Castle/City/Army/Loot)

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Nah. He didn't capture Castle Black or gain command of anything. Points for throwing Alliser in the cells is accurate. -alicehanners

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2016 May 2 jedjackoway likes this
Tormund captured Castle Black, Ed gets points for convincing Tormund and the wildlings to do it. I think the question of who gets prisoner credit for Alliser and Olly is the hardest one to answer. -moonbaseu92

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2016 May 2
Personally I think Wun Wun captured Castle Black. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 2 nyan and Reaper like this
@moonbaseu92 it's definitely Edd getting credit for prisoners - he issues the "throw them into the cells where they belong" order, and basically seems like the Night's Watchman in charge of things Castle Black for now (since neither Davos nor Tormund are Night's Watch members). Tormund or Wun Wun definitely won the battle for him, but neither is going to take a leadership role at Castle Black.

Another open question which I'll leave to anyone who wants to propose it - did that fight count as a "battle", and who won it in that case? -nyan

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2016 May 3
Definitely a "battle" even if it was short-lived. There were attacks on both sides, and a lot of people involved. IMO Tormund was clearly leading the fight. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 3 jedjackoway and moonbaseu92 like this

12:06 (+6) Eddison Tollett:

Edd orders Ser Alliser Thorne, Olly, and the other traitors who killed Jon Snow to be locked up. "Throw them into the cells. Where they belong." (New Follower/Prisoner)

13:51 (+3) Tommen Baratheon:

Tommen bars Cersei from attending her daughter Myrcella's funeral, instead ordering her to stay in the Red Keep. Despite having the monstrous zombie Mountain on her side, she respects the King's wishes. (Executive Decision)

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30:43 (+3) Roose Bolton:

Roose chastises Ramsay after his attempts to locate Sansa Stark fail.
Roose: "Half a dozen men. Your best hunters."
Ramsay: "They obviously had help."
Roose: "I didn't think Lady Sansa killed them all by herself." (Politics Special)

32:08 (+3) Roose Bolton:

Roose gains a second son. "My Lords, Lady Walda has given birth. A boy. Red-cheeked and healthy." (New Follower/Prisoner)

32:08 (+3) Fat Walda Frey:

Fat Walda gives birth to her son with Roose Bolton. "My Lords, Lady Walda has given birth. A boy. Red-cheeked and healthy." (New Follower/Prisoner)

32:49 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay stabs his father Roose in the gut upon news that Fat Walda has borne Roose a second son.
Roose: "You'll always be my first born."
Ramsay: "Thank you for saying that. It means a great deal to me." (Act of Betrayal)

35:30 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay leads Fat Walda Frey and his newborn half-brother to a kennel full of his hungry hounds instead of to Lord Bolton. "Of course. Follow me mother." (Act of Betrayal)

36:13 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay becomes the new Lord Bolton after killing his father, Roose.
Fat Walda Frey: "Where is Lord Bolton?"
Ramsay: "I am Lord Bolton." (New Title)

41:21 (+3) Balon Greyjoy:

Balon commands that the Ironborn should continue attacking the mainland over Yara Greyjoy's protests.
Yara: "We took those castles because the Northerners marched off to war. That war is over. The last time we provoked them too far, I watched from that window as they breached our walls and knocked down our towers. I lost two brothers that day."
Balon: "And I lost three sons. ... when you rule the Iron Islands you can wage all the peace you want but for now shut your mouth and obey or I will make another heir who will." (Executive Decision)

Dispute. The points are valid but they should be under insults as a Threat. He didn't make any decisions, he just refused to change his mind. -alicehanners

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2016 May 2 jedjackoway likes this
He made both an executive decision and a threat, both should count. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 2
He made the decision ages ago, off-screen. Yara keeps trying to change his mind and failing. He didn't make any new decisions in this scene though. -alicehanners

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2016 May 2 jronovich likes this
-nyan

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2016 May 3
If that's the reasoning--asserting their political power--what power did Balon actually assert? He didn't send Yara on any missions, didn't tell her to do or not do anything except be quiet, and I hope we aren't giving out points every time someone tells someone to be quiet :P

However, I would not consider Robert's second assertion as a decision. He made the decision in the small council. Ned tried to change his mind--Yara tries to change Balon's mind about going for more inland holdings--and both fail. It's a failure for Ned and Yara, not a success for Robert or Balon.

In a perfect parallel to Yara/Balon, Ramsay tries to convince Roose to go against Castle Black. Roose refuses. Yet he gets no political points. Possibly because Ramsay then kills him, but if Balon's "decision" counts, then Roose's decision counts as well. It's the same kind of "decision," it was already made before this episode. -alicehanners

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2016 May 3 nyan likes this
I think Roose should get points there, too. He's presented with two options, stay the course or do something else, and over his subordinates' protests he makes a choice. -nsimmonds

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48:00 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos convinces Melisandre to make an attempt to revive Jon Snow after she has lost faith in the Lord of Light in their long-awaited Disney moment. "I'm not a devout man, obviously. Seven Gods, Drowned Gods, Tree Gods, it's all the same. I'm not asking the Lord of Light for help. I'm asking the woman who showed me that miracles exist." (Convincing Argument)

You get points for killing a named character but not for resurrecting a named character? Melisandre deserves some points here. -ellen.heitman

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2016 May 2 moonbaseu92, coconnor723, bw.hitman89, megharr36, 3 others like this
Absolutely agree here
-charliestpierre

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2016 May 2
For more discussion on Melisandre's scoring, check out: http://fantasora.com/event/2086 -nyan

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2016 May 2
If anything she convinced him to come back to life -calafr4gilistic

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2016 May 2 adam.charles.bowen and twawhiting like this

52:16 (+3) Melisandre:

Melisandre invokes her pleas to the Lord of Light in an attempt to resurrect Jon Snow. After several minutes and of killing the hopes of everyone in the room, Jon is left alone and suddenly awakes, gasping for breath. God damn lag. (New Follower/Prisoner)

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There's a lot of other good discussion around bigger wholesale changes to the rule. As I said before, it's too unfair to existing players who made draft decisions based on rules at the beginning of the season. We'll incorporate these suggestions into a new ruleset, which league admins will be able to opt into. We'll have more discussion for that and announce a final set of changed closer to midseason. -nyan

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2016 May 3 nsimmonds likes this
Pretty retarded that she gets 2 points less for bringing, arguably, the most important character in the show back from the dead than Thyrion gets for filling his glass with wine.
As for the people that "made draft decisions based on rules at the beginning", I think these people would be much more supportive of awarding over 3 points to Melisandre for her mitzvah than to awarding some weak prince 99 points for walking around. -jshragie

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2016 May 3 righteous likes this
ooohhhh salty. Honestly, as someone who drafted Mel, I think it'd be pretty unfair to give her anything more than maybe 5 here. 3 seems fine. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 4 alicehanners and moonbaseu92 like this

Insults Delivered / Funny Lines

9:49 (+3) Davos Seaworth:

Davos as he takes Jon's sword and rallies the men against Ser Alliser Thorne: "I've never been much of a fighter... Apologies for what you're about to see." (Funny Line)

11:48 (+3) Tormund Giantsbane:

Alliser Thorne: "For thousands of years, the Night's Watch has held Castle Black against the Wildlings."
Tormund: "Until you." (Witty Insult)

18:20 (+3) High Sparrow:

to Jaime Lannister, as his Sparrows circle in: "Every one of us is poor and powerless. And yet, together, we can overthrow an empire." (Threat)

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19:08 (+3) Jaime Lannister:

High Sparrow: "You would spill blood in this holy place?"
Jaime: "Oh the Gods won't mind. They spill more blood than the rest of us combined." (Threat)

22:03 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion: "Dragons do not do well in captivity."
Missandei: "How do you know this?"
Tyrion: "That's what I do. I drink and I know things." (Funny Line)

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22:45 (+3) Varys:

Tyrion: "Dragons are intelligent ... They have affection for their friends and fury for their enemies. I am their friend."
Varys: "Do *they* know that?" (Funny Line)

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22:46 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

reasoning with Varys as he disapproves of Tyrion's alcoholism: "If I'd lost my cock, I'd drink all the time." (Funny Line)

22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys shakes his head and tsks as Tyrion pours out a glass of wine during a meeting of the Meereenese advising council. (Funny Line)

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@Alice, what other funny faces do you think will need to be re-counted if this is enabled? And does the distinction that it comes with a line (even if it's just a small vocal tick from Varys) make it easier to enforce? -nyan

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2016 May 3
I only really want to rewatch both episodes for funny faces if you're seriously considering it, but I can think of several moments when people shrugged, raised their eyebrows, made a weird face, etc and it was funny but no words were spoken. -alicehanners

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2016 May 3
Adding it for now, but we'll see if it opens up a bad can of worms. The spirit of the category is to reward the really good moments written into the show that illicit a solid reaction from the viewer. Insults that make you go "ooh what a burn", threats that you make gulp in sympathy with the target, or funny lines that make you actually laugh. I don't doubt that we can find a handful of weird faces if we're looking really hard for them, but I don't think there are many that were good enough to spark an actual reaction from the audience, and this definitely seemed like one.

That said, everyone's laugh-meter is calibrated to a different level, so if facial expressions and small vocal ticks end up having a much higher variability of opinion vs the spoken lines, we'll revisit and maybe revoke this one. -nyan

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2016 May 4 michaelfield18 likes this

22:55 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Varys: "If I'd lost my cock, I'd drink all the time."
to Greyworm: "... meaning no offense. He makes dwarf jokes, I make eunuch jokes."
Varys: "I do NOT make dwarf jokes."
to Varys: "You think them." (gives Varys the eye) (Funny Line)

I thinks scoring all three of these as separate funny lines is a stretch. This comment alone isn't particularly funny, and it's more of a general exchange. I'll grant that maybe the two could be separate--one is the eunuch joke, the other is an exchange saving face in front of Grey Worm. -alicehanners

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2016 May 2 bookworm13457 and Twisted like this
I thinks scoring all three of these as separate funny lines is a stretch. This comment alone isn't particularly funny, and it's more of a general exchange. I'll grant that maybe the two could be separate--one is the eunuch joke, the other is an exchange saving face in front of Grey Worm. -alicehanners

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2016 May 2 moonbaseu92, coconnor723, Lem Lemoncake, jedjackoway like this
Totally agree with Alice here, does not meet the bar (especially for Tyrion). -coconnor723

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2016 May 2 bookworm13457 and Twisted like this
Yeah, Tyrion sometimes has these scenes that are just written as comic sequences. Combined with how fantastic Peter Dinklage is at delivering them, it almost makes it too easy for Tyrion. Will likely fold this 2nd and the 3rd event (http://fantasora.com/event/1985) together. -nyan

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26:17 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Daenerys' imprisoned dragons: "I'm friends with your mother. I'm here to help... Don't eat the help." (Funny Line)

28:30 (+3) Tyrion Lannister:

to Varys: "Next time I have an idea like that... punch me in the face." (Funny Line)

29:03 (+3) Roose Bolton:

Ramsay: "They obviously had help."
Roose: "I didn't think Lady Sansa killed them all by herself." (Funny Line)

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31:58 (+3) Roose Bolton:

to Ramsay: "If you acquire a reputation as a mad dog, you will be treated as a mad dog. Taken out back and slaughtered for pigfeed." (Threat)

36:46 (+3) Ramsay Bolton:

Ramsay rejects Fat Walda Frey's please for her son's life.
Fat Walda: "Please, Ramsay. He's your brother."
Ramsay: "I prefer being an only child." (Threat)

Is this really a threat? This seems like a very explicit "I'm going to kill you guys now."

Would a character saying "now, die!" while delivering a killing blow count as a threat? This feels like that to me. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 2 Lem Lemoncake, bookworm13457, moonbaseu92 like this
"Now, die!", "You're an idiot", or other plainly-spoken lines aren't good enough for this category. I think "I prefer being an only child" is not quite as literal/plain as any of those examples - it's like a trivialization of Fat Walda's pleas for her sons life that shows how coldly sociopathic Ramsay is (his simple *preference* outweighs the life of a baby). But beyond wether the line is literal or plain, we'll certainly listen to feedback on whether a line passes the subjective quality bar. -nyan

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2016 May 2
If it doesn't count as a threat it should count as wit. -nsimmonds

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2016 May 2 10100100101 likes this
I think that makes sense. From that definition of threat, this seems legit. -jedjackoway

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2016 May 3

38:56 (+3) Yara Greyjoy:

Yara: "Deepwood Motte was our last stronghold on the mainland."
Balon: "Then we will take more."
Yara: "Why? For more pinecones and rocks?" (Witty Insult)

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39:49 (+3) Balon Greyjoy:

to Yara Greyjoy: "When you rule the Iron Islands, you can wage all the peace you want. But for now, shut your mouth and obey or I will make another heir who will." (Witty Insult)

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42:13 (+3) Euron Greyjoy:

to Balon Greyjoy: "I am the storm, brother. The first storm and the last. And you're in my way." (Threat)

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Glasses of Wine Consumed

19:25 (+5) Cersei Lannister:

Cersei takes a sip while speaking with her son Tommen. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

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23:19 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion drinks during the meeting of the Meereenese council. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

24:46 (+5) Tyrion Lannister:

Tyrion downs glass #2 as he devises a plan to get the dragons to eat during the Meereenese council meeting. (Glass of Wine Consumed)

Deaths

33:05 (+5) Roose Bolton:

Roose is stabbed in the gut by his son Ramsay after news arrived that Fat Walda has given birth to a second son for Roose.
Roose: "You'll always be my first born."
Ramsay: "Thank you for saying that. It means a great deal to me." (Death)

36:37 (+5) Fat Walda Frey:

Fat Walda and her newborn baby are ripped to shreds by Ramsay Bolton's hounds.
"Ramsay. Ramsay, please. I'll leave Winterfell I'll go back to the Riverlands." (Death)

44:13 (+5) Balon Greyjoy:

After attempting to attack his brother, Euron Greyjoy, Balon is thrown over the bridge at Pyke and into the sea. (Death)

+0 for Doran Martell, +0 for Trystane Martell, +0 for Areo Hotah

Special

2:33 (+3) Bran Stark:

Bran taps into the weirwood net with the assistance of the Three-Eyed Raven, and visits a scene of a yound Ned and Benjen Stark play-fighting in Winterfell. (Special)

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We see Bran Warging in the beginning of the episode. He lets go (that's 1).

Then we see him Warg again, into the Ned/Willis Scene (That's 2). -klov3r

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2016 May 3
warg -emilien.raggi

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2016 May 3
@klov3r I don't think there was anything aside from the flashback to Winterfell scene. We get the GoT title sequence, then a fade-in of Bran and Three-Eyed Raven stoned out among the weirwood branches with their eyes whited out. Then we just cut immediately to Ned and Benjen fighting. -nyan

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2016 May 3

6:54 (+9) Hodor:

"Hodor ...Hodor. Hodor." (Special)

7:53 (+3) Hodor:

"Hodor." (Special)

21:24 (+6) Grey Worm :

After getting some R&R from hands-on fighting Grey Worm and hitting the books (his pet name for Missandei), Grey Worm shows off his expanding vocabulary with his first ever three-syllable words in the Westerosi common tongue.

in Meereenese council meeting: "We are searching for the men who burned the ships, but *nobody* saw *anything*." (Special)

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22:46 (+3) Varys:

Varys just can't get away from the eunuch references after he judgmentally stares at Tyrion downing another cup of wine.
Tyrion: "If I lost my cock, I'd drink all the time. *looks at Greyworm* ...meaning no offense. He makes dwarf jokes, I make eunuch jokes." (Special)

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29:18 (+3) Jon Snow:

Roose Bolton: "Jon Snow is a bastard, not a Stark." (Special)

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38:35 (+3) Podrick Payne:

Podrick spends 12 seconds of screentime flicking away at his flintstone in an attempt to start a campfire. We eventually do see the kindling get started in the next shot, after Brienne comes over to supervise. (Special)

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Podrick not being able to start the fire could be seen as a failed attempt at a basic task -kmahan

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2016 May 3 hawaiikman likes this
This will be rejected, I just wanted an event to talk about how close Podrick was to NOT starting a fire after flicking at the flintstone for a good 10 seconds. Alas he's now competent at a lot of things. -nyan

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2016 May 2
Seems a lot of people actually though the opposite - added! To add evidence to Pod's incompetence, the 12 seconds of spark-making Podrick is alone, and in the next shot when we finally see the fire get started, Brienne has arrived to supervise Pod. -nyan

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2016 May 3